Amish Survived COVID Better Than Most by Never Locking Down, Shuttering Churches

GOD Shines Forth! said:

I think she's a great reporter. Everyone has detractors.

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But is the fact that you think she's lovely relevant to the accuracy of her reporting?

anna ~ grace said:

We often forget that being infected with Covid 19 is not necessarily synonymous with getting seriously ill, or even dying. We have been trained by the media to feel alarm at the mention of a “case”.

But contracting this virus does not automatically equal serious illness, much less death. Most people survive. Most seriously ill people do recover. Some do not. The Amish were willing to take their chances, let the virus spread, and see what happened. They’re ok with dying. They’re ok with taking care of their sick relatives at home. It doesn’t look as though their society collapsed.

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Given the incidence of serious illness and death, it would have been very surprising if their society had collapsed; nevertheless, the data tell us that unvaccinated communities endure significantly more suffering, disability, and death than the vaccinated. IOW, unnecessary suffering, disability, and death.

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

Given the incidence of serious illness and death, it would have been very surprising if their society had collapsed; nevertheless, the data tell us that unvaccinated communities endure significantly more suffering, disability, and death than the vaccinated. IOW, unnecessary suffering, disability, and death.

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But the Amish were willing to take the chance; they didn’t mind the prospects of suffering, disability, and death. They wanted to continue working, worshipping, meeting, and helping each other with day to day things, as they accepted the effects of the virus. So, they did so.

anna ~ grace said:

But the Amish were willing to take the chance; they didn’t mind the prospects of suffering, disability, and death. They wanted to continue working, worshipping, meeting, and helping each other with day to day things, as they accepted the effects of the virus. So, they did so.

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Sure - I wouldn't argue otherwise. But IMO, being prepared to allow your community to undergo unnecessary suffering, disability, and death, is not an admirable characteristic.

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

Sure - I wouldn't argue otherwise. But IMO, being prepared to allow your community to undergo unnecessary suffering, disability, and death, is not an admirable characteristic.

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I think it really depends on what one values more; control, sanitation, and attempts as maximum health and safety vs. meeting your loved ones without restrictions, worshipping freely, doing business, and enjoying life as much as you can.

The Amish are pretty “ah, well!” about death. Their whole life tries to point them towards eternity, not so much the here and now, temporal stuff. “If Grandma gets really sick, we’ll take care of her at home. If she dies, we’ll bury her.” That’s about it.

I appreciate your kind and gracious way of arguing back and forth about this, though. You’re a good arguer.

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

Sure - I wouldn't argue otherwise. But IMO, being prepared to allow your community to undergo unnecessary suffering, disability, and death, is not an admirable characteristic.

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no unnecessary suffering, disability, and death. It is natural and needed, kind of the core about being amish. No safeguards outside their own society. What will be will be, they chose you away. Freedom of disassociating with you. Leave the amish alone. No modern day inquisition wanted.

saulus paulus said:

no unnecessary suffering, disability, and death. It is natural and needed, kind of the core about being amish. No safeguards outside their own society. What will be will be, they chose you away. Freedom of disassociating with you. Leave the amish alone. No modern day inquisition wanted.

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Suffering, disability, and death due to not taking Covid vaccination is unnecessary, by definition. They're welcome to make their lives harder than necessary if that's their choice. I'm not going to interfere, I just think it's unfortunate. Fortunately, those too young to make an informed decision are the least likely to suffer.

JohnEmmett said:

suffering from the vaccination is unnecessary

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There is negligible suffering from the vaccination compared to the disease. Like all precautions and prophylactics... only necessary if you want to avoid serious risks.

anna ~ grace said:

We often forget that being infected with Covid 19 is not necessarily synonymous with getting seriously ill, or even dying.

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Approaching three quarters of a million dead just in your own country and you felt that you could post that?

Bradskii said:

Approaching three quarters of a million dead just in your own country and you felt that you could post that?

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Yep. Because it’s true. Contracting Covid is not necessarily synonymous with serious illness requiring hospitalization, or with death.

anna ~ grace said:

We often forget that being infected with Covid 19 is not necessarily synonymous with getting seriously ill, or even dying. We have been trained by the media to feel alarm at the mention of a “case”.

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While this is true, the relative risk COVID-19 poses to different cohorts is not equal. And given we're dealing with a highly transmissible virus, those who feel ambivalent about contracting it are also helping to spread it.

Which means that the people who aren't so lucky as to recovering unscathed are the ones paying the price for that ambivalence (plus the toll on their friends and families for losing loved ones).

JohnEmmett said:

there is a chance for adverse reactions

much higher chance than other vaccines

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Tiny compared to the risk of not having it.

JohnEmmett said:

I don't know the risk of the vaccine]

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definitely less than virus especially since pregnant woman are being advised to get vaccine

JohnEmmett said:

the idea is that the vaccine is dangerous]

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COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact


"The Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines can have side effects, but the vast majority are very short term —not serious or dangerous."

JohnEmmett said:

being born is also fatal

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I'm not sure that the few million people in the States who have lost loved ones will be comforted by you effectively saying 'Hey, she was going to die anyway'.