Biden Admin. Ends Mass Immigration Arrests At Work Sites

I have always thought that arresting workers at the work sites was stupid. That's like police busting a drug deal and arresting only the buyers.

If they really wanted to shut down illegal immigration, they should arrest the executives of those work sites.

Fining them is not enough. Fines are inhibitions for poor people.

Hank77 said:

Good analogy.

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Not at all. The illegals are the drug the cops bust. They are the dealers and drugs, the ones hiring them, they are the drugusers. Getting the drugs off the streets is the first objective. And those making this type of arguments, they want the illegals to keep coming and be indentured servants as it is.

NewThe Biden administration on Tuesday announced U.S. immigration authorities will no longer carry out mass arrests of unauthorized immigrants at work sites, saying law enforcement efforts should focus on holding exploitative employers accountable.

I hope that actually happens...

saulus paulus said:

Not at all. The illegals are the drug the cops bust. They are the dealers and drugs, the ones hiring them, they are the drugusers.

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Dispensing with the over extended metaphor.

They are illegal economic migrants responding to economic motivation. Lax enforcement of employment laws create the incentive for them to come here, were that not the case they would not come. Aiming at them and not those who provide the incentive for them to come it ineffective to the point of uselessness. Remove the economic motivation by making it against the interests of business to hire illegal labor and there will not be economic migrants responding to it.

RDKirk said:

I have always thought that arresting workers at the work sites was stupid. That's like police busting a drug deal and arresting only the buyers.

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Isn't that one of the things ICE is for?

saulus paulus said:

Not at all. The illegals are the drug the cops bust. They are the dealers and drugs, the ones hiring them, they are the drugusers. Getting the drugs off the streets is the first objective. And those making this type of arguments, they want the illegals to keep coming and be indentured servants as it is.

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Giving jobs to illegal workers is illegal, just as selling drugs is illegal. It's a crime. Those who give jobs to illegal workers are criminals. If you don't punish the dealers, you're not solving the problem.

The analogy holds.

Pavel Mosko said:

Isn't that one of the things ICE is for?

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Then there should be executives doing perp-walks in ICE handcuffs at every site that illegals are found employed.

RDKirk said:

I have always thought that arresting workers at the work sites was stupid. That's like police busting a drug deal and arresting only the buyers.

If they really wanted to shut down illegal immigration, they should arrest the executives of those work sites.

Fining them is not enough. Fines are inhibitions for poor people.

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Or arrest those who don't enforce border crossing law. And those who encourage illegals to come across. Illegals should by definition be counted fugitives, until caught and charged. We need to quit playing games.

RDKirk said:

Giving jobs to illegal workers is illegal, just as selling drugs is illegal. It's a crime. Those who give jobs to illegal workers are criminals. If you don't punish the dealers, you're not solving the problem.

The analogy holds.

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wrong, the ones hiring illegals are not the dealers, they are the users. Illegals are the drug. Want a simple analogy, view it as patients who have gotten surgery and have gotten opioids from doctors and are cut off. Now they have to go to the blackmarket. Not like farmers in the south have a choice to go legal hire of mexicans. Real contracts with fair wages, added fees, days off, vacations, housing, plumbing, food, etc. Versus just driving to a hotspot with a van, yelling out 30 dollars for 8 hours work, and fill up the truck with 10 workers costing 4 times less in wages than legal VISA workers, before housing costs and etc added on. As long as it is tolerated and all who want to survive are forced to do it, it will remain.

So, unless you get fairer trade, with barriers protecting low pay workers getting a fair pay. Making it next to impossible to hire off the books. And aknowledge and advocate for paying more for food, this will not stop. You will not give up the fixed amount of meat that you want to pay 2,99 dollars for at the store. The chains decide how long chickens live before slaughtered, to package it at the right prices that entice you as a consumer. Same with the canned goods that the kochs made a fortune off, they have paid to get policies, that gives them produce at the price demanded. Either the margins in domestic farming are cut to the bone, and bone cut after that, or they get loopholes in trade to import cheaper and hurt US workers and farms, a loop that has ended up with illegals stealing jobs from mexicans seeking workVISAs, who prorly replaced US farmhands. Same with maids, poolcleaners, gardeners, etc.Can get harder fines and jail for those hiring illegals, but stop the supply. If you protect the blackmarket that dominates their marketplace, do not blame people for playing the game in their market to survive. Not CEOs employing illegals. It is lower level bluecollar people in subchains who are forced to do so, to fulfill the contracts they have gotten with bigger companies. Like with Trump who the left like to use as example, not he who hired illegal constructionworkers for his projects. He signed contracts with subcontractors struggling to stay afloat, they had to trim the edges and hire illegals. So struggling contracters would be targeted with fines, to put them out of business, if you choose to ignore the everlasting supply of illegals.

Hank77 said:

I'm all for them going after employers who hire illegals if they would make them pay the fines that are already on the books it would stop a lot of illegal hiring and therefore, illegal economic immigration. If they can't get jobs most won't come.
However, I still want to see deportations of many of the illegals already in the country.

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I agree. And thought Obama did something like this. Though the IRS.

saulus paulus said:

Not at all. The illegals are the drug the cops bust. They are the dealers and drugs, the ones hiring them, they are the drugusers. Getting the drugs off the streets is the first objective. And those making this type of arguments, they want the illegals to keep coming and be indentured servants as it is.

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Bad analogy

saulus paulus said:

wrong, the ones hiring illegals are not the dealers, they are the users. Illegals are the drug. Want a simple analogy, view it as patients who have gotten surgery and have gotten opioids from doctors and are cut off. Now they have to go to the blackmarket. Not like farmers in the south have a choice to go legal hire of mexicans. Real contracts with fair wages, added fees, days off, vacations, housing, plumbing, food, etc. Versus just driving to a hotspot with a van, yelling out 30 dollars for 8 hours work, and fill up the truck with 10 workers costing 4 times less in wages than legal VISA workers, before housing costs and etc added on. As long as it is tolerated and all who want to survive are forced to do it, it will remain.

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So then you are saying that offering the drugs on the streets - gets users to bring the cash to buy it and the Admin is now focused on going after the ones buying it -- not the ones selling it.

And look at the bright side - this way the Admin gets to arrest Americans and shut down American businesses rather than arrest illegals working with drug cartels and coyotes - who have crossed the border illegally. Imagine how disappointed the drug cartels and coyotes in Central and S. America would feel if that pressure where placed on them. Can't have that.

Pavel Mosko said:

If mass illegal immigration is good then why doesn't Sweden embrace it?

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Maybe they just haven't thought of it yet. Look at how long it took Germany to think of it.

BobRyan said:

And look at the bright side - this way the Admin gets to arrest Americans and shut down American businesses rather than arrest illegals working with drug cartels and coyotes - who have crossed the border illegally.

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Americans and American companies who are helping draw illegal immigrants to the US by violating the law and employing them who should face consequences.

Desk trauma said:

Americans and American companies who are helping draw illegal immigrants to the US by violating the law and employing them who should face consequences.

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First someone must break through the fog and convince the big guy that unchecked illegal border crossings are not good for this country and its citizens. The human megahurricane on the southern border not only includes impoverished foreign citizens seeking a better life but drug smugglers, and human traffickers.
How many thousands of homeless, impoverished people can this nation absorb without it becoming just like the countries they are escaping from?

Der Alte said:

How many thousands of homeless, impoverished people can this nation absorb without it becoming just like the countries they are escaping from?

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Millions.

Desk trauma said:

Millions.

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This country can or can't absorb millions?

Der Alte said:

This country can or can't absorb millions?

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It would take millions if not tens of millions to over burden the US to the point where it would be on par with Central American or Haitian levels of dysfunction.