Michael Nazir-Ali, Prominent Former Anglican Bishop, Received Into Catholic Church

Michie · Oct 14, 2021

Lord Nazir-Ali’s decision is a move of “monumental proportion and significance,” says fellow former Anglican and convert to the Catholic Church, Gavin Ashenden.

A prominent and retired Church of England bishop once tipped to become a future Archbishop of Canterbury has been received into the Catholic Church, becoming one of the most high-profile Anglican clergymen to make the journey to Rome possibly since Father Ronald Knox in 1917.

Michael Nazir-Ali was received into the Church on Sept. 29, the feast of St. Michael the Archangel and All Angels and will be ordained a Catholic priest “in due course,” according to a statement issued by the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham and the bishops’ conference of England and Wales.

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Michael Nazir-Ali, Prominent Former Anglican Bishop, Received Into Catholic Church

anna ~ grace · Oct 14, 2021

Woo hoo! Welcome Home, Sir!

Gnarwhal · Oct 14, 2021

Deo Gratias! I'm excited about this.

This is a boon for the Ordinariate as well, I would think. He could really do a lot to help the Ordinariate win over more converts and help Anglicans understand what they're lacking in orthodoxy and fullness of the faith, and what they wouldn't be sacrificing by converting.

I wonder how rapidly he'll be elevated to the episcopate, if at all?

Michie · Oct 14, 2021

The conversion of such a high-profile intellectual as Michael Nazir-Ali is an enormous boost for the Catholic Ordinariate, set up by Pope Benedict XVI...

Gnarwhal · Oct 14, 2021

Michie said:
The conversion of such a high-profile intellectual as Michael Nazir-Ali is an enormous boost for the Catholic Ordinariate, set up by Pope Benedict XVI...

Imagine if NT Wright followed suit... Welby would be in shambles lol.

All we need next is the Queen to reunify the CoE with Rome. Man, can you imagine the potential if the Lords Spiritual in British Parliament were Catholic prelates and the crown itself was Catholic - that the oaths taken at their coronation were to defend the Holy Catholic Church? Holy socks. If that coincided with a trad pope succeeding Francis, imagine the UK becoming a haven for faithful Catholics, having our stolen ancient cathedrals returned to us and the old liturgies being celebrated at their altars.

The rabbit holes my brain goes down...a guy can dream!

chevyontheriver · Oct 14, 2021

Fenwick said:
Deo Gratias! I'm excited about this.

This is a boon for the Ordinariate as well, I would think. He could really do a lot to help the Ordinariate win over more converts and help Anglicans understand what they're lacking in orthodoxy and fullness of the faith, and what they wouldn't be sacrificing by converting.

I wonder how rapidly he'll be elevated to the episcopate, if at all?

I don't know if he is married or not. If so he could be ordained a priest or a deacon or remain a lay peron. Sounds like the expectation is he will be ordained a priest.

IF he is single and proves out he may be in line for bishop, maybe as an auxiliary for one of the three ordinariates.

I hope he is a vigorous new Catholic and a blessing for the Ordinariates.

Gnarwhal · Oct 14, 2021

chevyontheriver said:
I don't know if he is married or not. If so he could be ordained a priest or a deacon or remain a lay peron. Sounds like the expectation is he will be ordained a priest.

IF he is single and proves out he may be in line for bishop, maybe as an auxiliary for one of the three ordinariates.

I hope he is a vigorous new Catholic and a blessing for the Ordinariates.

Are Anglican bishops married? I think I might've been confusing their orders with Eastern Orthodoxy, I know their priests can be but their bishops cannot.

I hope so too, seeing some zeal at that level would be exciting.

chevyontheriver · Oct 14, 2021

Fenwick said:
Are Anglican bishops married? I think I might've been confusing their orders with Eastern Orthodoxy, I know their priests can be but their bishops cannot.

I hope so too, seeing some zeal at that level would be exciting.

Msgr. Jeffrey Steenson was an Episcopalian bishop before becoming Catholic. He was ordained a Catholic priest and installed as the first ordinary of the North American Ordinariate. But not as a bishop. So finally bishop Lopes, who had worked as an enabler of Anglicanorum Coetibus in Rome was made bishop for the NA Ordinariate. Steenson ended up teaching seminary. https://ordinariate.net/ordinary

Michael Nazir-Ali was married in 1972. So he will not be ordained a bishop, at least while his wife lives.

Gnarwhal · Oct 14, 2021

chevyontheriver said:
Msgr. Jeffrey Steenson was an Episcopalian bishop before becoming Catholic. He was ordained a Catholic priest and installed as the first ordinary of the North American Ordinariate. But not as a bishop. So finally bishop Lopes, who had worked as an enabler of Anglicanorum Coetibus in Rome was made bishop for the NA Ordinariate. Steenson ended up teaching seminary. https://ordinariate.net/ordinary

Michael Nazir-Ali was married in 1972. So he will not be ordained a bishop, at least while his wife lives.

Huh, for the life of me I didn't remember that Anglican Bishops could be married, thought it was only priests. Thanks for the refresher.

So henceforth are new priests to the Ordinariate (not via conversion but via discernment, seminary, and ordination) going to be expected to follow the Church's celibacy discipline or will future Ordinariate priests still be allowed to marry like EC priests?

chevyontheriver · Oct 14, 2021

Fenwick said:
Huh, for the life of me I didn't remember that Anglican Bishops could be married, thought it was only priests. Thanks for the refresher.

So henceforth are new priests to the Ordinariate (not via conversion but via discernment, seminary, and ordination) going to be expected to follow the Church's celibacy discipline or will future Ordinariate priests still be allowed to marry like EC priests?

Yup. It's Orthodox bishops who can't be married. And once an Orthodox priest is ordained he can't marry either. Same as Catholics except for the Latin Rite which is almost exclusively celibate. The Anglicans 'relaxed' things a bit. Becoming Catholic they can be treated as those of the oriental rites are, with married men allowed to be priests but no married bishops.

Michie · Oct 14, 2021

Fenwick said:
Huh, for the life of me I didn't remember that Anglican Bishops could be married, thought it was only priests. Thanks for the refresher.

So henceforth are new priests to the Ordinariate (not via conversion but via discernment, seminary, and ordination) going to be expected to follow the Church's celibacy discipline or will future Ordinariate priests still be allowed to marry like EC priests?

Remember Gene Robinson?

Gene Robinson consecrated bishop
In August 2003 the Episcopal Diocese of New Hampshire elected an openly gay and partnered priest, Gene Robinson, as bishop. This came shortly after a similar controversy in Englandwhen an openly gay priest, Canon Jeffrey John, was appointed to become the Suffragan Bishop of Reading. Eventually, however, John agreed to withdraw in order to avoid division. In 2004, in the aftermath of Robinson's election as bishop, John was installed as Dean of St Albans, the cathedral there being the site of England's first Christian martyr.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_the_Anglican_Communion

Michie · Oct 15, 2021

As the world gets crazier and crazier, the Catholic Church will seem increasingly sane to many. So all the Church has to do in this weird world is don’t be crazy. Don’t join the parade of celebrated lunacy. In plainer terms, stay Catholic. That’s all the Catholic Church needs to do. Stay Catholic.

Yes, being sane is countercultural nowadays.

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https://creativeminorityreport.com/...atholic-church-isnt-adapting-to-modern-world/

Michie · Oct 15, 2021

English Catholic Prelates Told Nazir-Ali Not to Convert

Anhelyna · Oct 15, 2021

Ummmmmmm.....

from the article << We are all one in our shared baptism. This is why Protestants are encouraged to receive communion at the Catholic Mass and why evangelization and conversion are downplayed and why Catholic leaders in Latin America (for instance) are unconcerned about the vast numbers of Catholics deserting the faith for the Evangelical sects. >>

Michie · Oct 15, 2021

False ecumenism is the sincere belief that any further ecumenical efforts are a waste of time. They are a waste of time because the work is already accomplished. It is finished. We are all one in our shared baptism. This is why Protestants are encouraged to receive communion at the Catholic Mass and why evangelization and conversion are downplayed and why Catholic leaders in Latin America (for instance) are unconcerned about the vast numbers of Catholics deserting the faith for the Evangelical sects. Linked with false ecumenism is inter faith “dialogue” which is indifferentism and universalism writ large. Thus we hear of the “missionary” Bishop in South America who brags that he hasn’t baptized anyone for decades. Why not? Because they’re okay as they are. The nature religion, the animism, polytheism–whatever–of the indigenous people is sufficient–or perhaps even superior to Catholicism.

All of these together create in the mind of the liberal Catholic cleric an attitude that discourages conversion because he really doesn’t believe it is either necessary or helpful.

This is one of the reasons for the disastrous decline of the church in the West. In terms of supply and demand the liberal churchman eliminates the demand which makes any need for the supply to be superfluous.

I have also heard of potential converts being turned away because of this train of thought with some clergy.

Michie · Oct 15, 2021

Fr Hunwicke's Mutual Enrichment: Bishop Nazir Ali

chevyontheriver · Oct 15, 2021

Fenwick said:
So henceforth are new priests to the Ordinariate (not via conversion but via discernment, seminary, and ordination) going to be expected to follow the Church's celibacy discipline or will future Ordinariate priests still be allowed to marry like EC priests?

Sorry I missed that part. My understanding is that a married Episcopalian priest may become a married Catholic priest. But that in keeping with Catholic and Orthodox practice if one is already a priest they cannot marry.

The interesting question would be whether a young man in the Ordinariate, not yet ordained, may marry and then be ordained. I would guess that might be allowed. But I'm not absolutely sure.

chevyontheriver · Oct 15, 2021

Michie said:
English Catholic Prelates Told Nazir-Ali Not to Convert

Those are the very prelates who should be traded to the Anglicans/Episcopalians for these folks who want to become Catholics. Trade them. They already would fit better in the Anglican/Episcopalian group than as Catholics. They might even be happier there. It's a win-win!

chevyontheriver · Oct 15, 2021

Michie said:
Lord Nazir-Ali’s decision is a move of “monumental proportion and significance,” says fellow former Anglican and convert to the Catholic Church, Gavin Ashenden.

A prominent and retired Church of England bishop once tipped to become a future Archbishop of Canterbury has been received into the Catholic Church, becoming one of the most high-profile Anglican clergymen to make the journey to Rome possibly since Father Ronald Knox in 1917.

Michael Nazir-Ali was received into the Church on Sept. 29, the feast of St. Michael the Archangel and All Angels and will be ordained a Catholic priest “in due course,” according to a statement issued by the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham and the bishops’ conference of England and Wales.

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Michael Nazir-Ali, Prominent Former Anglican Bishop, Received Into Catholic Church

I notice, some days later now, that the Episcopal portion of CF is very very very quiet about bishop Michael Nazir-Ali.

Gnarwhal · Oct 15, 2021

chevyontheriver said:
The interesting question would be whether a young man in the Ordinariate, not yet ordained, may marry and then be ordained. I would guess that might be allowed. But I'm not absolutely sure.

That's the part I'm wondering about, for all the young guys wanting to enter the priesthood through the Ordinariate, will they and future generations of priests be expected to follow the celibacy discipline... Would be an interesting question for Bishop Lopes.

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