For The Orthodox Faithful Who Are Confused About Covid Vaccines: Orthodox Talks

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The practice must be banned. A single human life -- any single human life -- even be it a mere embryonic mass, is worth more than all the altruism in entire cosmos, along with it's total effects. Why? The short answer is that Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life! The long answer has to do precisely with a particular form of selective altruism that various medical practitioners have been doing for awhile now, and with the precise path that led to it. Entrance onto this slippery path requires only the approval of the devaluation of any single human life -- even if that life is just an embryo. Forced Organ Harvesting: “One of the worst mass atrocities of this century”

These empty souls don't even care enough about their victims to give them anesthesia for the procedure. They just chemically immobilize them and force them to helplessly watch and to feel themselves being butchered to death while still alive.

There are other ways to develop medicines. Let us develop and use them.

Oh I agree with you here! Also, what about chimeras they are developing (Human animal hybrids)?
 
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These presuppose that one possesses the proper discernment required to administer correction or to utter messages of the prophetic type.
It’s a both/and. If we fall, we get back up and learn and strive to do just as St. Paisios shares here.
 
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818F4DC7-F2DC-46BF-A856-3B67E4DAA05D.jpeg I received an approved short term religious accommodation recently from my employer. I applied for it before I knew the official stance of the Holy Synod. I’m pretty certain this makes me disobedient and I’m only a catechumen! It does sincerely bother me to use products connected through research, development and testing with stem cell lines from aborted fetuses. I now only eat plain foods in their natural form without additives and take very limited medications/supplements for that reason. My life would be much more convenient if I didn’t consider the fetal stem cell angle for sure and I’m grateful to even have that luxury. Either the decision to take the vaccine or to not take it seems to call for repentance!
Being 100% honest I must admit I do not have strong confidence/faith in medicine and science in general (because of my personal experience) that most others seem to enjoy. What a strange time and situation!
 
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I think forced vaccinations deserve a revolt. Since the jokers running the show stole the elections anyway, and censor us on social media, they would deserve whatever they get in the backlash. And backlash there must be. It would be nice if it could be peaceful, and if they would just back down.
 
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View attachment 307294 I received an approved short term religious accommodation recently from my employer. I applied for it before I knew the official stance of the Holy Synod. I’m pretty certain this makes me disobedient and I’m only a catechumen! It does sincerely bother me to use products connected through research, development and testing with stem cell lines from aborted fetuses. I now only eat plain foods in their natural form without additives and take very limited medications/supplements for that reason. My life would be much more convenient if I didn’t consider the fetal stem cell angle for sure and I’m grateful to even have that luxury. Either the decision to take the vaccine or to not take it seems to call for repentance!
Being 100% honest I must admit I do not have strong confidence/faith in medicine and science in general (because of my personal experience) that most others seem to enjoy. What a strange time and situation!
Are you in the Greek Orthodox Church? Other jurisdictions don’t necessarily have the same stance.

Even though our parish doesn’t teach that the vaccine is necessarily wrong (if they are not manufactured with fetal cell lines), I would think that parishioners could still get religious exemptions if that is their belief (that the vaccine is not right due to its testing / manufacturing process).

I don’t think any one of us agrees with the mandates of the vaccine though, and our jurisdiction absolutely teaches against mandates of taking the vaccine within the Church - and directly instructs us to not have any impact on the standing or participation of members within the Church based on vaccine status.
 
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Are you in the Greek Orthodox Church? Other jurisdictions don’t necessarily have the same stance.

Even though our parish doesn’t teach that the vaccine is necessarily wrong (if they are not manufactured with fetal cell lines), I would think that parishioners could still get religious exemptions if that is their belief (that the vaccine is not right due to its testing / manufacturing process).

I don’t think any one of us agrees with the mandates of the vaccine though, and our jurisdiction absolutely teaches against mandates of taking the vaccine within the Church - and directly instructs us to not have any impact on the standing or participation of members within the Church based on vaccine status.
Yes, Greek. The first Orthodox Church we visited was OCA but my husband said it was too far to drive and the Greek Orthodox was much closer. Thank you for replying.
 
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Important video to listen to. I just watched. It was a good reminder for me. It's so easy for me to lose vigilance and or become complacent. I'm thankful for Fr. Savvas and Fr. John and the Saints. (Turn on your subtitles so you can read in English their convo. Fr. John in Canada is, of course, speaking in English).

 
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Important video to listen to. I just watched. It was a good reminder for me. It's so easy for me to lose vigilance and or become complacent. I'm thankful for Fr. Savvas and Fr. John and the Saints. (Turn on your subtitles so you can read in English their convo. Fr. John in Canada is, of course, speaking in English).

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"I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction. For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. From now on there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but to all who crave His appearing." (2 Timothy 4:1-8)
 
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Today's Gospel Reading:

Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost? For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His own glory, and in His Father’s, and of the holy angels. But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God.” (Luke 9:23-27)

I believe it has some relevance in this thread for some of us.
 
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I don’t think any one of us agrees with the mandates of the vaccine though, and our jurisdiction absolutely teaches against mandates of taking the vaccine within the Church - and directly instructs us to not have any impact on the standing or participation of members within the Church based on vaccine status.

Ahem. I do. And I stand behind my hierarch. I feel like a complete outsider on a site I've been visiting for 16? years.
 
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Ahem. I do. And I stand behind my hierarch. I feel like a complete outsider on a site I've been visiting for 16? years.
I stand behind my hierarch as well. :)

I understand feeling like an outsider on a site I’ve been on for around 16 years as well (2005). I think we started around the same time. You are still one of our old time TAWers though, even if it feels that way.

Apologies for overstating when I said “any of us”.
 
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