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Dr. Young’s paper concludes, these Covid injections “are NOT vaccines but nanotechnological drugs working as a genetic therapy … All these so-called “vaccines” are patented and therefore their actual content is kept secret even to the buyers, who, of course, are using taxpayers’ money. So, consumers (taxpayers) have no information about what they are receiving in their bodies by inoculation.”

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Summary of undisclosed ingredients extracted from Dr. Young’s published scientific paper


October 14, 2021 10:11 pm

American Scientists Confirm Toxic Graphene Oxide, and More, in BS 19 Injections

The list includes Oxygen Chromium - there is no such thing. There is Chromium Dioxide and Chromium oxide but not oxygen chromium.
And how is just plain "Oxygen" in a vaccine?

The paper looks like an effort to create terror about the vaccine. So many of the alternative types write things that just cause confusion and scare people.

For instance, spike proteins. Are you aware that ALL viruses are like little balls with spikes pointing out?
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ALL of them have those little spikey things. But certain folks in the world have to make it to a the bogeyman.

Yes, there is nanotechnology but it is not the scary thing you are making it out to be.

I will advise folks to read this - but fear many who don't understand the science and scare themselves:

Role of nanotechnology behind the success of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19


https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.0c04006#
 
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not one comment yet ABOUT THIS QUOTE LISTED ABOVE

"What we do know is in 2020 two Chinese Covid vaccine patents were filed that list graphene as an ingredient."
proof? anything to back that up?
 
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Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines do not contain graphene oxide

Online reports that COVID-19 vaccines contain graphene oxide are unfounded.

The allegations are based on an analysis by a professor in Spain which has been rejected by experts. He obtained what he himself described as non-conclusive results after studying one vial. He said the vial was purported to contain a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine but said it had come to him by a messenger service and acknowledged that the vial’s origin was unknown.

Pfizer told Reuters its vaccines do not contain the material. This material is also not listed in any of the widely available COVID-19 vaccines worldwide.
Fact Check-No evidence graphene oxide is present in available COVID-19 vaccines via lipid nanoparticles


Allegations that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are toxic because they contain graphene oxide on their lipid nanoparticles (which help transport the mRNA through the body) are baseless.

The claims stem from a July 28 talk show ( archive.ph/eTKvT ) where a woman in the video, introduced as Karen Kingston, points to documentation on a lipid particle maker’s website which allegedly shows that graphene oxide is present in their products.

Pfizer and Moderna told Reuters, however, that graphene oxide is not among their vaccines’ ingredients.
 
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Chromium oxide

you should do some research before you make false statements
Sorry I wasn't more clear.

My response was to "oxygen chromium not even existing,"
to which I responded "chromium oxide?". . .
suggesting oxygen chromium was chromium oxide.

I may well have forgotten more chemistry than you ever learned.
 
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Well, I've heard various people talk about things they think are in these vaccines; and much of what they think is on this list. I've just never seen the list presented as it is on this thread.

Problem is ultimately we don't know.

What we do have to go on is governmental collection data bases; of which all say a lot of people have injuries, a lot of people now have permanent disabilities or other health conditions and a lot of people have died.

The past research on coronavirus mRNA vaccines (which can be found on medical research sites) goes back to like 2012. And the outcomes for the animal models were not good at all.

And now 10 months into this rollout; we have quite a bit of human data. We now know the "vaccine" doesn't stop one from getting it, doesn't stop one from spreading it; even though the early data seemed to indicate less severe illness. Although that doesn't appear to be where the data is stacking up at this point any more.

Generally speaking; if let's say 70% of the population is vaccinated, 70% of the hospitalizations are vaccinated people. The other statistic that's also starting to out pace the unvaccinated is the mortality rate. More vaccinated at this point are dying of "Covid" than unvaccinated. And assuming this is caused by anti-body dependent enhancement, because that's what they saw in the animal models.

Despite all that though; there is definitely a lot of nefarious stuff going on. And if all these "rogue" doctors are correct in what they are saying, that 80% of the vaccinated are going to be dead in 3 to 5 years; yeah, life could get much uglier than it currently is.
 
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The other statistic that's also starting to out pace the unvaccinated is the mortality rate. More vaccinated at this point are dying of "Covid" than unvaccinated. And assuming this is caused by anti-body dependent enhancement, because that's what they saw in the animal models.

Is there actually any scientific data for this? All I see is that over 90% hospitalized/dying are unvaccinated...
 
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More vaccinated at this point are dying of "Covid" than unvaccinated.

nope


WHO says unvaccinated people are 'dying unnecessarily' from Covid as hospitals fill

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Kerkhove's comments echo those of U.S. health officials who have said that almost all Covid deaths recorded nationwide have been among unvaccinated patients. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Sept. 10 that unvaccinated people are 11 times likelier to die from Covid, 10 times likelier to require hospitalization for their symptoms and roughly 4.5 times likelier to contract the virus overall."
 
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Generally speaking; if let's say 70% of the population is vaccinated, 70% of the hospitalizations are vaccinated people. The other statistic that's also starting to out pace the unvaccinated is the mortality rate. More vaccinated at this point are dying of "Covid" than unvaccinated.

And yet everywhere I turn I read that's denied and that the opposite is true. I'm not saying you're wrong but where does one put their faith ? It seems the pro-vax people have their stats...and the unvaxed seek to make their case using different kind of stats.

Despite all that though; there is definitely a lot of nefarious stuff going on. And if all these "rogue" doctors are correct in what they are saying, that 80% of the vaccinated are going to be dead in 3 to 5 years; yeah, life could get much uglier than it currently is.

As a Christian who believes basically in a futurist interpretation of end times things....Mt 24 and the book of Revelation speaking largely of future things I think if 80 % of the population was going to perish in the time frame you suggest I'd have to believe there would be a major talking about it in scripture. There isn't. Yes it talks about pestilences, earthquakes, other things but if 80% of the world population is about to depart I believe it would have to be in the Bible.
 
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WHO says unvaccinated people are 'dying unnecessarily' from Covid as hospitals fill

"Van
Kerkhove's comments echo those of U.S. health officials who have said that almost all Covid deaths recorded nationwide have been among unvaccinated patients. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Sept. 10 that unvaccinated people are 11 times likelier to die from Covid, 10 times likelier to require hospitalization for their symptoms and roughly 4.5 times likelier to contract the virus overall."

Well here comes the question.Who do you believe is telling you the truth? Is the news media more worthy of you believing, or are research studies more worthy of you believing?

After all, someone is recording this data.

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant Among Vaccinated Healthcare Workers, Vietnam by Nguyen Van Vinh Chau, Nghiem My Ngoc, Lam Anh Nguyet, Vo Minh Quang, Nguyen Thi Han Ny, Dao Bach Khoa, Nguyen Thanh Phong, Le Mau Toan, Nguyen Thi Thu Hong, Nguyen Thi Kim Tuyen, Voong Vinh Phat, Le Nguyen Truc Nhu, Nguyen Huynh Thanh Truc, Bui Thi Ton That, Huynh Phuong Thao, Tran Nguyen Phuong Thao, Vo Trong Vuong, Tran Thi Thanh Tam, Ngo Tan Tai, Ho The Bao, Huynh Thi Kim Nhung, Nguyen Thi Ngoc Minh, Nguyen Thi My Tien, Nguy Cam Huy, Marc Choisy, Dinh Nguyen Huy Man, Dinh Thi Bich Ty, Nguyen To Anh, Le Thi Tam Uyen, Tran Nguyen Hoang Tu, Lam Minh Yen, Nguyen Thanh Dung, Le Manh Hung, Nguyen Thanh Truong, Tran Tan Thanh, Guy Thwaites, Le Van Tan, OUCRU COVID-19 Research Group :: SSRN

Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies - PubMed

Then we have data from foreign countries. Israel used the Pfizer vaccine. Britain used Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca. Which leads us to question; are the same vaccines miraculously more effective in the US than in Israel or Europe?

https://lcaction.org/Site Images/Resources/Covid-in-Israel.pdf

https://theexpose.uk/2021/08/25/off...ry-2021-have-been-people-who-were-vaccinated/

We have news paper reports from local news outlets.

https://archive.is/ax6yg

Despite 95% vaccination rate, Cornell today has five times more COVID cases than it did this time last year | The College Fix

And we have another question raised. The CDC has changed how they track breakthrough cases in the vaccinated. Now one is not considered "fully vaccinated" until 2 weeks post 2nd shot. And now that they are saying people need boosters; all the sudden one is no longer "fully vaccinated". So if they catch Covid and land in the hospital, (which now they are only tracking hospitalized people who've gotten the shots). Yet they are stick them in the "unvaccinated" category; which is not intellectually honest.

CDC Limits Review of Vaccinated but Infected; Draws Concern

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/92810
 
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And yet everywhere I turn I read that's denied and that the opposite is true. I'm not saying you're wrong but where does one put their faith ? It seems the pro-vax people have their stats...and the unvaxed seek to make their case using different kind of stats.

As a Christian who believes basically in a futurist interpretation of end times things....Mt 24 and the book of Revelation speaking largely of future things I think if 80 % of the population was going to perish in the time frame you suggest I'd have to believe there would be a major talking about it in scripture. There isn't. Yes it talks about pestilences, earthquakes, other things but if 80% of the world population is about to depart I believe it would have to be in the Bible.

And yes, you are correct. Certain outlets are only giving you certain data. For the whole truth, you have to dig, and you have to know how to dig.

See my response to another person above:

There are lots of citizen journalist pages that are collecting both news articles as well as reference to research articles.

Here is one such site that you can find lists of articles. There are several of these "article collection sites" on the internet. They are helpful because despite whether or not one agrees with the political leanings of those who collect the information. You can read the news articles and research articles and decide for yourself.

https://lcaction.org/vaccine#cases
 
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Well here comes the question.Who do you believe is telling you the truth? After all, someone is recording this data. ]

exactly, I've been watching data from our state, school, and my relative's long term care facility since the beginning

there's no reason for hospitals, health depts, long term care facilities, or schools to lie
 
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exactly, I've been watching data from our state, school, and my relative's long term care facility since the beginning

there's no reason for hospitals, health depts, long term care facilities, or schools to lie

So, are you saying that the data you are watching matches up with the articles I've posted?

Why would one heath department's data say one thing and another's say the exact opposite? Is there just something real special about the people in your county that your vaccinated don't get sick; (when everyone else's does)?

Even the CDC says that the vaccinated can still get and spread Covid.

CDC report shows vaccinated people can spread COVID-19

CDC Director: Vaccines No Longer Prevent You From Spreading COVID!

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC

I never tell anyone to believe what I say. Do your own research; dig into the data. And if the data begins to back up something you don't want to believe; you need to decide how intellectually honest you are going to be with that information.
 
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Is there actually any scientific data for this? All I see is that ...over 90% hospitalized/dying are unvaccinated
Is that percentage-wise on each's own base, or just a number count?

What percentage of the unvaccinated is dying based on the number of all the unvaccinated with Covid, not based on just those dying of Covid in the hospitals.
 
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Is that percentage-wise on each's own base, or just a number count?

What percentage of the unvaccinated is dying based on the number of all the unvaccinated with Covid, not based on just those dying of Covid in the hospitals.

That's actually a good question. At first blush, one would think: "Well there's not actually anyone dying of Covid who doesn't die in a hospital". But of course that doesn't count people in care home settings. (Nursing homes, group homes, permanent resident hospitals etc.)

Those people would be compiled from other type sources like the Medicare data base, or the VA data base. And the percentage of people vaccinated in those settings would be near 100%.

And getting totals on those types of numbers can be more complicated for the "citizen investigative reporter" because you'd have to start "web crawling" department of health data bases from individual counties.

And likely, no matter what you do to try and collect the data; you're going to get skewed info. For example; the death count for those in Sweden who died of Covid are only recorded for those who died in a hospital. Anyone in a care home setting who contracted a respiratory or "other type Covid looking" illness, wasn't tested, wasn't tracked, wasn't taken to the hospital. They were just allowed to die. The same thing happened in Britain. Some whistle blowing nursing staff (and actually morticians too) were saying that they were basically euthanizing elderly people by over sedating them. "Oh, they're sick." They give them too much morphine and they die. There's a lot of that type of thing going on. Particularly in "socially progressive" countries.

Which this is likely one reason why we have a global uptick in "unaccounted for deaths" that started the end of 2019. Death stats for countries that have social security type systems; their death stats are pretty well recorded "somewhere". There's not too many people in the industrialized world who die and the government doesn't record that they've died. And in that annual data are stats on how many people died of heart attacks, car accidents, suicides, cancer, drug overdoses etc.

Now "unaccounted for deaths" are what falls above the statistical norm for "category X" for that country. And here's where it gets tricky to track. Covid vaccine adverse events cover a gambit of reactions. (cardiac, kidney, brain, lung, blood clots) Those are the big ones. Now if you've had 10 million people die of a plethora of "pick an organ system" failure; even if you know the real cause of their death, one could still distribute those people across a variety of categories. Which makes it "easier to hide" except why does nation A have a 40% increase of deaths of people between 50 and 60 years old and nation B doesn't?

Well, if the only mass definable factor is "A" used Covid vaccine and "B" didn't; that is one way a statistician could "rough out" vaccine CFR. Particularly if nation B didn't see as large of over all uptick in deaths as nation A.

The other issue we are having is that governmental health care recording agencies are forever changing their definition of what it means to be "vaccinated".

Currently, CDC is saying one is not "fully vaccinated" until 14 days post "last required shot". Countries in Europe and Israel are doing the same thing. It's a way of massaging the data. "Oh, we'll put this person in the "unvaccinated" category because they died before the 14 days despite the fact they had "all their required shots".

A lot of those people are showing up in vaccine death data bases though. Something like 40% of those who will die from the Covid vaccine will die within 24 hours of getting the shot. The remaining 60% will die within a week. Well now they turn around and say "Well that person was unvaccinated" and they didn't die of vaccine injury they died of Covid; because they... they had blood clots; and we know Covid causes blood clots." Yada yada yada....

Now that number in comparison to all other vaccine deaths is staggering. VAERS (vaccine adverse event reporting system) is a governmental data collection data base on adverse events caused by vaccines. In the VAERS system; it's considered a vaccine death if it occurred within 14 days of getting a vaccine.

In a typical year prior to 2021, between 200 and 450 people a year are recorded to die of all vaccinations combined given to anybody in that year. this includes all vaccines. flu, MMR, polio, tetanus etc. The overall record of most vaccines is pretty good. Most viral vector vaccines are pretty safe.

In 2019 approximately 170 million Americans got the flu vaccine. In that year, 209 of them died from the flu vaccine.

From January 1 through October 8th 2021 approximately 169 million Americans are said by the government o have received a Covid vaccine. (either one or two; or now going on 3 even shots). And as of 10/8/21 I think it was 16,339 people were recorded in VAERS to have died within two weeks of receiving the Covid vaccine. (Open VAERS is updating their data today for this week. They are currently clocking about 400 people a week are dying from the Covid shots.

209 in one year and 16,339 in 9 months. Those are some pretty staggering numbers. And that's not even counting the people who didn't die. There's over 1.5 million adverse events reported to that system related to the Covid shot.

Here's the updated numbers for this week.

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Now there's a Medicare data base "data leak" that shows more than 50,000 dead from Covid shots in the 64 and over category. And I believe that number is a couple of months old now?

Here's the website of a law firm who's bringing lawsuits against (I think it's the FDA - or CDC or both?) for vaccine deaths. There's at least 2 cases (from differing data leaks and whistleblowers who've come forward) that the affidavits can be found on this website.

COVID Vaccine Cover Up PDF – Renz Law

So.... bit of a warning; if you really want to go down this rabbit hole; it gets deep pretty quick.
 
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