Who are the Sons of God in Genesis 6

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I didn't say they were not God's people...I'm saying the "sons of God" title was never given to any people back in the Old Testament period. But Christ extended that to His believers.

Of coarse Christ did, but that does not mean people in the OT was not sons and daughters of God.

i give you verses that shows they were, God wasn't just talking about the future He was speaking to His people at that time.

i know you never said God's people it was the latter right after that sons and daughters of God in which you do not agree with them being sons of God.

do you think they just skipped over those parts because it wasn't for them.
 
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You are inventing ideas not supported by the Scriptures and contrary to the Scriptures as an argument against teaching from the Scriptures?

You have to read the Bible. The flood stopped them from continuing on. None of them joined Noah and his family in the ark. In fact, they were the main reason for the flood.
Exactly...none of them were in the Ark, so how did they continue to procreate AFTER the flood and produce Giants in Numbers 13:33? (the argument that "there were no giants and that the spies who said this were lying" is not supported by the facts found in Davids's encounter with Goliath of Gath!)

In the Hebrew Bible the term "sons of God" always refers to angelic beings. They appear in five chapters. In Deuteronomy 32:7-8 seventy of them are assigned authority over the nations of men after God dispersed them at Babel. In Job 1 and 2 they appear in a pair of classic Divine Council scenes, and later in Job God describes how each one of them shouted for joy as God laid the foundation of the earth.
Deuteronomy makes no mention of angelic beings in this text...i do not think that is what it is even talking about. It is talking about elders of men set over them after they are dispersed at Babel (exactly how the text reads). Moses did exactly the same thing with the children of Israel!

I will grant you Job 38... that one does require some more study. I am certain that the sollution to this dilemma is that these are those who are faithful to the most high God. More than likely these are people just like us on other worlds who along with the angels in heaven (morning stars) are celebrating the creation of the earth. I think that is a perfectly reasonable interpretation. It would be gross ignorance to deny there are people God has created on other worlds who have never partaken of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil!

Early Jewish and Christian writers said that God placed them in bonds under the earth as punishment for their sins in Genesis 6. And that they're still down there.

Interestingly, to me, is that when Peter describes the same events in 2 Peter 2:4, he says those angels were condemned to "Tartarus". This is a Greek word which describes the underground prison where the Greeks say that the Titans were imprisoned. Is he linking the Greek Titans with the sons of God? Fascinating stuff.

2 Peter chapter 2 is about false prophets...human prophets.
Peter introduces phrases like
-destructive heresis,
-denying the master who brought them (clearly referring to those who crucified Jesus)
-bringing swift destruction on themselves
-many will follow in their depravity (this is clearly talking about idolatry...worshipping other gods)
-because of them (idolators) the way of truth will be defamed
-the long standing verdict against themremain in force(the wages of sin is death - 10 commandments)
-their destruction does not sleep​

then in verse 4 Peter is talking about the angels that fell from heaven with Lucifer when he first fought against God in heaven and was cast down to the earth...and his angels with him.

The problem with the Sons of God explanation is, when one ignores Revelation 12...

7Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. 9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

...which even in biblehub cross-references with Genesis 3:1 & Luke 10:18 & Matthew 25:41,

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden?'"

Luke 10:18 So He told them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

Mat 25:41 Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

...one loses access to a very important understanding here in Genesis 6 and Job 1!

Actually Noah's family was the only family that hadn't mixed. He was perfect in pedigree.

Exactly, so how then did any Nephilim, who were an abomination, survive the flood to father the likes of Goliah of Gath (whom many writers claim is descended from the same lineage as those spoken of in Numbers 13:33?). God brought the flood upon the earth to rid it of abomination, so clearly what is being referred to is not the stature of mankind specifically, but mankinds sins and sinful habits. This does not, in my view and considering many other biblical passages where Sons of God/Sons of the Living God/Children of God etc, have anything to do with evil angels apparently developing an evolutionary ability to suddenly procreate!

May I also add, if angels can procreate, when then was there a need for God to create us? Angels could have done it themselves...at the very least without his permissionon by becoming incarnate, having sex parties, and produce offspring of their own! (i should think that is a very simple logical conclusion any atheist would make on this very topic)
 
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Of coarse Christ did, but that does not mean people in the OT was not sons and daughters of God.
Now they are, because the power of the cross not only goes forward to the present but also back towards those who looked forward to God's promise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Before Christ, they were simply people of God and Abraham was their Father.

i give you verses that shows they were, God wasn't just talking about the future He was speaking to His people at that time.
Try reading Hosea 1:10 again....
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.


Pay attention to...
and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people,
...Did you see why this refers to Gentiles in their future?
 
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Try reading Hosea 1:10 again....
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Hosea 1:10 is backing up exactly what BeyondEt just said to you...
I think God is speaking in the PRESENT to "His people" (Israel and Judah) about the FUTURE. That to me is clearly the correct comprehension of this text.
 
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Exactly...none of them were in the Ark, so how did they continue to procreate AFTER the flood and produce Giants in Numbers 13:33? (the argument that there were no giants and that the spies who said this were lying is not supported by the facts found in Davids's encounter with Goliath of Gath!)
You probably mistaken me for somebody else. I never said the giants came from the "sons of God" nor did I say they were the giants themselves. But I have heard some people teach that.

Here's what Genesis 6:4 have...
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Read it carefully...The verse says there were giants in those days. It doesn't say the giants came from the sons of God. What it says is their children became mighty men. They did not become giants. The giants were already there before the sons of God had children with the daughters of men.
 
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Now they are, because the power of the cross not only goes forward to the present but also back towards those who looked forward to God's promise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Before Christ, they were simply people of God and Abraham was their Father.


Try reading Hosea 1:10 again....
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.


Pay attention to... ...Did you see why this refers to Gentiles in their future?

i understand your point of view and i have mine, so we can agree to disagree on the topic no harm in that.
 
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No, BeyondEt was saying the part that says "Ye are the sons of the living God." refers to the people of Israel at that time.

Correct.

what do you think the people in BC that read the verses said to themselves, ahh now this is about Jesus the one to come in the future.
 
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No, BeyondEt was saying the part that says "Ye are the sons of the living God." refers to the people of Israel at that time.

Correct.
It is speaking about and too the children of Israel at that time. It predicts what will happen to them in the future. That is exactly what i said.

I do not understand how or why you seem to think this has anything to do with Gentiles?

On the topic of Gentiles, WE are the future members of what began as the first-century Christian movement.

We are also Gentiles!

We are called spiritual Israel because we are followers of the One True God (just like the Israelites were) however, we are not Israelites. That is the entire point. This means that the services, statutes, and laws given to the original children of Israel are also given to us. We are bound by them.

EDIT...that is also why I believe the term "Sons of God" is not just angelic creatures/beings...it is about us here on this earth...as is the entire Bible story. Its about our relationship with God, our fall, and his plan of redemption. In modern times, that means Spiritual Israelites, followers of the one true God who are not Jews, the Gentile Christians...that is us, the Christian church!
 
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I do not understand how or why you seem to think this has anything to do with Gentiles?
These parts to towards the end of the verse pertain to the Gentiles in their future (the part supposedly to make them jealous of the Gentiles, because Israel was never referred to as sons of God during that time)...
"...and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God."
 
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Strictly speaking, the ancient belief was that the sons of God were the angelic beings and the nephilim were their sons. As the nephilim died they became wandering spirits later called demons. Their fathers have been imprisoned under the earth for thousands of years (as per Jude 1:6-7).


If you look into the Hebrew you will see that the Word which is Giant in KJV is Nephilim (5303)...Genesis 6 Interlinear Bible In my #55 post I believe I logically show that.
 
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These parts to towards the end of the verse pertain to the Gentiles in their future (the part supposedly to make them jealous of the Gentiles, because Israel was never referred to as sons of God during that time)...
"...and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God."

the prophet Hosea is about reuniting the divided kingdoms of Judah and Israel which happened as it was told in verse 11 the kingdom of Israel and Judah united during the reigns of Saul, David and Solomon. before the unity Judah was obeying God and Israel was not they lost the title of sons of God for a bit.

Hosea 1
11 Then the people of Judah and of Israel will be gathered together, and they will appoint for themselves one leader, and will go up out of the land. For great will be the day of Jezreel.

Hosea 2 talks about that mercy on Israel

23 And I will sow her as My own in the land, and I will have compassion on ‘No Compassion.’

I will say to those called ‘Not My People,’ ‘You are My people,’and they will say, ‘You are my God.’ ”
 
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the prophet Hosea is about reuniting the divided kingdoms of Judah and Israel which happened as it was told in verse 11 the kingdom of Israel and Judah united during the reigns of Saul, David and Solomon. before the unity Judah was obeying God and Israel was not they lost the title of sons of God for a bit.

Hosea 1
11 Then the people of Judah and of Israel will be gathered together, and they will appoint for themselves one leader, and will go up out of the land. For great will be the day of Jezreel.

Hosea 2 talks about that mercy on Israel

23 And I will sow her as My own in the land, and I will have compassion on ‘No Compassion.’

I will say to those called ‘Not My People,’ ‘You are My people,’and they will say, ‘You are my God.’ ”
I will let Apostle Paul explain this to you thru his writings quoting the book of Hosea (Osee). If you still decides to reject what the Bible says, you are on your own...
Romans 9:24-26
[24] Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? [25] As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. [26] And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
 
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I will let Apostle Paul explain this to you thru his writings quoting the book of Hosea (Osee). If you still decides to reject what the Bible says, you are on your own...
Romans 9:24-26
[24] Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? [25] As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. [26] And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

i have no problem with Paul referencing Hosea about gentiles being grafted in as sons of God, as in Hosea Israel and Judah was united as the sons of the living God.

that is the main reason Paul spoke of it he even says not the Jews only, it happened to Israel at that time and it can happen to anyone who calls on the Lord.

[24] Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
 
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I think from many of the passages quoted above, posted from both sides of this argument, that it is very clear, the Sons of God are those who remain faithful to Him...Jews and Gentiles, Israel and spiritual Israel.
It's important to emphasize "because of Jesus Christ". Without the sacrifice made at the cross, "sons of God" would still be limited to angelic beings.
 
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Luke 3:38
The son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
Adam lost that title after eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The parable of the prodigal son explains what transpired behind the scene by describing the younger son as "dead" (went away), and "alive again" (came back to the father).
 
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Adam lost that title after eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The parable of the prodigal son explains what transpired behind the scene by describing the younger son as "dead" (went away), and "alive again" (came back to the father).

So the title wasn't just limited to angelic beings only, Adam had it and Israel had it
 
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I think that when one also considers that all Gentile Christians are called spiritual Israel, the puzzle starts to come together in a cohesive way. Clearly, a number of things resolve themselves:

1. The Bible is about our struggle here on earth, it is not about other planets or other beings. Satan was cast to this earth because he disobeyed God, since that time he has continued in that disobedience and is trying to take as many of us down with him as possible. This has continued since the creation of the earth.
2. The plan of salvation is not for angels, it is for us right here on earth, we are the ones who have sinned. There is no salvation for fallen angels, it is not offered to them. So the idea that fallen angels are, or will be ever called the sons of God (spiritual Israel) i think is doubtful.
3. Adam and Eve both received the offer of redemption, Adam is absolutely the Son of God...Jesus is referred to in his lineage as the Son of Adam, the Son of God. I think the reason why the Bible goes to the trouble of including Jesus Lineage is to demonstrate to us that all who remain faithful to God remain part of this family...it is a Christian family. The dual meaning is important.
4. Because Christians are the Sons/Daughters of God, we are also his chosen people (that is we are therefore, spiritual Israel)
5. As we are spiritual Israel, the statutes and laws given to the original Israel in the desert, whom failed to uphold them, have been passed onto us in a New Covenant (which is identical to the Old Covenant), only this time it is based on the promises of God...not the promises of Man which were imperfect.
6. Irrespective of what historical claims are made, we are bound by ALL of the 10 commandments. Revelation 14:12 clearly says, "the patience of the saints are those who keep them and have the testimony of Jesus". The testimony that the apostles changed the Sabbath is not the Testimony that Jesus himself lived or preached. Jesus said quite the opposite in fact in Mat 5: 18..."not one jot or tittle shall change from the law"
7. The Sabbath is number 4 in the 10 commandments (The Law of God). As spiritual Israel, as christians, we are still bound by that law. To know this and refuse to keep the Sabbath is a sin.


It all ties in together. One cannot separate one part of the Bible from another, its doctrines are very cohesive.
 
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