The Gift that Keeps on Giving: Trump Just Handed Dems the next 2 elections

parousia70 said:

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Trump Tells Republicans Not to Vote in 2022 or 2024

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Aside from the fact that the Daily Beast is notoriously partisan and unreliable, Trump did not actually call on Republicans not to vote in 2022 or 2024.

According to the article, he said they would not be voting if vote fraud remains unsolved when those elections take place. He has a point, and there is indeed a lot of talk among the Republican rank and file about the futility of voting in any rigged election. That's probably a feeling that will dissipate as those elections draw near, but it is being said at the present.

Anyway, the Daily Beast's headline was incorrect as the mag's own article clearly indicates.

Albion said:

Aside from the fact that the Daily Beast is notoriously partisan and unreliable, Trump did not actually call on Republicans not to vote in 2022 or 2024.

According to the article, he said they would not be voting if vote fraud remains unsolved when those elections take place. He has a point, and there is indeed a lot of talk among the Republican rank and file about the futility of voting in any rigged election. That's probably a feeling that will dissipate as those elections draw near, but it is being said at the present.

Anyway, the Daily Beast's headline was incorrect as the mag's own article clearly indicates.

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Why is it you think that some Republicans now imagine that if a democrat wins it's gotta be fraud?

It's a very notable situation. It's a kind of "faith" -- belief without proof. If Trump says it, it has to be true, it seems some think.

But Trump was making up these same kinds of made-up claims back in 2016 also, like when he lost one of the state primaries among Republican voters.

Halbhh said:

Why is it you think that some Republicans now imagine that if a democrat wins it's gotta be fraud?

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I didn't say that.

parousia70 said:

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Trump Tells Republicans Not to Vote in 2022 or 2024

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Some other media organizations are reporting Trump was asking Republicans not to vote in the next election due to alleged voter fraud. He told us he won the election, but the majority voted him out. An Arizona recount and a phone call to a Georgia election official asking for more votes failed to give him what he wanted.

Newsweek reported:
Trump says Republicans won't vote in midterms, 2024 election if 2020 fraud isn't "solved"

Trump Inc. has 15 felony charges against it. Their CFO may have rigged accounting records to evade taxes in New York. He was handcuffed and booked.

dqhall said:

Newsweek reported:
Trump says Republicans won't vote in midterms, 2024 election if 2020 fraud isn't "solved"

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Notice how this headline from Newsweek differs from that given by the less well respected Daily Beast (in the Original Post).

Albion said:

Aside from the fact that the Daily Beast is notoriously partisan and unreliable, Trump did not actually call on Republicans not to vote in 2022 or 2024.

According to the article, he said they would not be voting if vote fraud remains unsolved when those elections take place. He has a point, and there is indeed a lot of talk among the Republican rank and file about the futility of voting in any rigged election. That's probably a feeling that will dissipate as those elections draw near, but it is being said at the present.

Anyway, the Daily Beast's headline was incorrect as the mag's own article clearly indicates.

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There are no rigged elections, nor were there in the previous cycle. The fewer trump supporters who vote, the better.

Albion said:

Notice how this headline from Newsweek differs from that given by the less well respected Daily Beast (in the Original Post).

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Since there was no fraud it can't be solved or "remain".

Have there been any court hearings about the alleged election fraud? I think that would be a better way to go, to present any evidence in court.

lismore said:

Have there been any court hearings about the alleged election fraud? I think that would be a better way to go, to present any evidence in court.

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As far as I know, every single legal challenge to the election has been thrown out of the courts.

An interesting fact: some of those legislators who challenged the ballots had their own names on those same ballots. So if the challenge succeeded their own elections would be invalidated. Talk about stupid!!

pescador said:

There are no rigged elections, nor were there in the previous cycle. The fewer trump supporters who vote, the better.

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On the 2nd sentence, consider that there is a degree of paranoia on that side, and it's best not to give that paranoia a seeming possible evidence (even if it's not a real evidence, but just might seem so to someone) -- they think someone is trying to remove their votes see. So, that's a weakness they have, and we can try to avoid accidentally tempting them on their weakness (like in 1 Cor 8, where Paul is avoiding that which would trip a weak person).
Post #9 is quite useful in my view though! There was a very tiny amount of fraud that was far, far below the margins of victory. A tatic some on that side of trumping up imagined fraud try to do tho is to take a real instance, and pretend it shows widespread fraud, even though that's exactly what was proven wrong.

pescador said:

As far as I know, every single legal challenge to the election has been thrown out of the courts.

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Given that several of the supreme court judges were appointed by Trump perhaps it's time for everyone to move on then. Biden, love him or loathe him, is the appointed president (Admittedly a non-American perspective). God Bless

As usual, no truth. Just the common selfdeceiving. So boring. No dialogue. A dead world.

Halbhh said:

Why is it you think that some Republicans now imagine that if a democrat wins it's gotta be fraud?

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pescador said:

As far as I know, every single legal challenge to the election has been thrown out of the courts.

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Didn't Donald's administration stuff the Supreme Court and federal courts with justices selected by Donald's administration? Yet, these did not back up Donald about election fraud.

Plus there was the woman who guaranteed she had many sworn statements court admissible which could be used to prove fraud plus indict various ones accused of cheating > I never read or heard of any of that happening.

So, I would say there are people deranged or they know they are bluffing. Lying is a tactic of war. And it does look to me as though there is now an American political civil war.

If Democrats have been in so much control of vote counts, then how come, recently, Republicans have gotten into the presidency of the United States?? And Donald had four years to get control of voting and counts; why didn't he? No one controlled things to keep Donald from becoming President, even right at the end of Barack's presidency; and Donald did not control things to keep himself in.

So . . . I see there is bluffing. But in case a known bluffer were to become the Republican candidate, "next time", some number of Republicans will see through that and won't trust the person; and so, if the Republicans run a bluffer or deranged person, they will be likely donating the presidency to the Democratic candidate.

When Donald ran against Joe, American voters were split pretty evenly, I would say. And Democrats would not vote Republican because of certain issues, meanwhile Republicans had set reasons not to vote for a Democratic presidential candidate. So, the way to donate the election to the Democrats was to simply alienate Republicans so they did not vote; that strategy worked.

My opinion is if the Republicans want to win, simply run a qualified person. But if the ones who can fight win . . . running a bully can go only so far. But during a civil war the temptation is to have fighters instead of people who take the lead in what is good.

B-u-t > God still uses prayer with obedience > Genesis 22:18. And God uses people who take the lead, as "examples" > 1 Peter 5:3. What works is still working

parousia70 said:

Trump Declaring "Republicans won't vote" will most certainly be taken by his disciples to mean he is telling them "Do not vote".

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That's just wishful thinking on your part.

Albion said:

That's just wishful thinking on your part.

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Or, it is trump using his base of voters to threaten republicans who will not acquiesce to his big lie. Trump is absolutely out for revenge. On dems and republicans. Trump doesn't care if republicans lose seats in congress. Especially if he's not the president. Trump loves to feel the power of manipulating people to do his will.

Brihaha said:

Or, it is trump using his base of voters to threaten republicans who will not acquiesce to his big lie.

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No, it's not. If that had been his intention, he'd have said that they should boycott the upcoming elections.

Albion said:

No, it's not. If that had been his intention, he'd have said that they should boycott the upcoming elections.

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In reference to Murkowski, the republican senator from Alaska who voted for his removal, trump said "Bring me a candidate, good or bad, and I'll endorse them against Lisa. As long as they have a pulse." This is a man out for vengeance, whether you can admit it or not.