For The Orthodox Faithful Who Are Confused About Covid Vaccines: Orthodox Talks

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I certainly agree that we all should live a life of repentance, need to follow God in all ways (and the guidance He have through the saints and Scripture) and seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit. That is something we all should be doing.
I'm going to tell you and everybody else what I know, in summary: Repent as if there is not tomorrow in this world, with every single tool and spiritual weapon available to Orthodox Christians. The days are extremely numbered and there are great troubles right around the corner. When Christ came the first time he taught that we need to be more righteous than the scribes and Pharisees (Church hierarchs) or we shall by no means enter into the Kingdom of God. In the days immediately preceding His 2nd coming this will be especially true. Acquire the Holy Spirit, by carefully following the path as described in the writings of the Holy Saints, and don't let up on spiritual warfare for even a moment. If you do this then there will come a time when you'll see the world for what it is, because of the Light Who will come to dwell inside of your heart and mind.
 
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I certainly agree that we all should live a life of repentance, need to follow God in all ways (and the guidance He have through the saints and Scripture) and seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit. That is something we all should be doing.
With regards to the testing of things on fetal cell lines derived from a sinfully sacrificed new life in God's image and likeness, I proclaim this practice to be something that is evil, and so I must not receive these vaccines. If I agreed to the vaccine I'd be agreeing to the practice. We know what happens when not enough people stand against evil. Evil ultimately takes over everything.
 
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With regards to the testing of things on fetal cell lines derived from a sinfully sacrificed new life in God's image and likeness, I proclaim this practice to be something that is evil
All this became widely entrenched during a time when our nations were ostensively Christian. Our Church, and others, should have taken a stand to end this practice when we had the numbers to make an impact. We still need to make a stand, but I can only see it being stopped through God's intervention.
 
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All this became widely entrenched during a time when our nations were ostensively Christian. Our Church, and others, should have taken a stand to end this practice when we had the numbers to make an impact. We still need to make a stand, but I can only see it being stopped through God's intervention.
Yes, I believe this "intervention of God" you speak of is at hand. May we be on the proper side when He comes.
 
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If they were produced in the same manner as Pfizer or Moderna Covid-19 vaccines and I know of it then no, I don't use them. Besides, the basis for this (your) argument itself was created over time, through the workings of the mystery of lawlessness, to be used in the promotion of Covid-19 vaccine use within the Church. In other words, we have been slowly acclimated by our routine and unquestioning use of such medications so that we will blindly accept this outright evil that we would never go along with if we knew what we were doing. The lack of spiritual life and discernment in everyone and everywhere is staggering. That is why only the elect of God will not be deceived to receive the mark. They are protected by the Holy Spirit.

Umm, OK. So you think people that got the vaccine are somehow lacking spiritual life and discernment, while those that did not are somehow special and elect? But yes, many medicines, cosmetics, foods, etc were developed and tested that way. So more than likely everyone has used one of them...
 
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Have you seen the tests Dr Nathan Thompson of Exemplify Health Center did on one of his patients who recently got 'vaccinated'? After the 2nd jab his immune system basically took a dive.
Dr. Nathan Thompson - Exemplify Health Center - After the second COVID shot, "His adaptive Immune system has absolutely tanked."

I wonder if that is because the highest antibody response for viral vaccinations is around 28 days post vaccination and that is when they are requiring the booster to be given. I have wondered from the beginning that boosters should be given much later because at 3 weeks it could overly tax the immune system in many.
 
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I’m not sure they can calculate “immune system degradation” just by the simple fact that double vaccinated people are getting Covid at a higher rate than the 40+ year olds who were not vaccinated.

Are there data to show this? I have always been opposed to the booster being given 3 weeks post-vaccination due to the stress on the immune system. The highest antibody response is at around 28 days.
 
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Umm, OK. So you think people that got the vaccine are somehow lacking spiritual life and discernment, while those that did not are somehow special and elect?
I did not get any such impression from his post.
 
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Well yes, that is what I said. Personal experiences. Lets just say I have done work in the field...
It doesn't tell me anything nor give me any confidence that you know what you are talking about. You were incredibly dismissive of Antoni's own knowledge and experience to the point of ridicule, and what he has described is in line with what I have learned from other doctors who are experts in immunology. Not knowing the length or breadth of your own experience, I will not nor would I be qualified to dismiss what you present, but you haven't given us anything to work with, just links to a couple of papers that are contradicted by Pfizer's own study.
 
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Umm, OK. So you think people that got the vaccine are somehow lacking spiritual life and discernment, while those that did not are somehow special and elect? But yes, many medicines, cosmetics, foods, etc were developed and tested that way. So more than likely everyone has used one of them...
Not all who are refusing to take the vaccine are of the elect. Many are just afraid. But the widespread practice of testing everything on fetal cell lines from sinfully sacrificed human children would cause spiritually sensitive and loving people to rise up in vehement protest against it. Instead, what we see happening is quite otherwise.
 
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It doesn't tell me anything nor give me any confidence that you know what you are talking about. You were incredibly dismissive of Antoni's own knowledge and experience to the point of ridicule, and what he has described is in line with what I have learned from other doctors who are experts in immunology. Not knowing the length or breadth of your own experience, I will not nor would I be qualified to dismiss what you present, but you haven't given us anything to work with, just links to a couple of papers that are contradicted by Pfizer's own study.

That's fine. It was not personal. I just could not believe the way some of the things that were being said were being portrayed.
 
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Not all who are refusing to take the vaccine are of the elect. Many are just afraid. But the widespread practice of testing everything on fetal cell lines from sinfully sacrificed human children would cause spiritually sensitive and loving people to rise up in vehement protest against it. Instead, what we see happening is quite otherwise.

And how are you deciding WHO are the elect and who are not? Isn't that up to God? Do you have special powers to discern this? Do you believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast? I mean I understand your issue with companies using fetal tissue lines, just trying to figure out what you mean regarding the rest of your statements...
 
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That's fine. It was not personal. I just could not believe the way some of the things that were being said were being portrayed.
Because your anecdotal experience was different from someone else's?
 
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Because your anecdotal experience was different from someone else's?

Now you are conflating 2 different things...the science vs my experiences...because both were being discussed in this thread...as well as politics and religion
 
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And how are you deciding WHO are the elect and who are not? Isn't that up to God? Do you have special powers to discern this? Do you believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast? I mean I understand your issue with companies using fetal tissue lines, just trying to figure out what you mean regarding the rest of your statements...
Paisios of Athos said that anyone receiving the obligatory vaccine for the new disease will be marked. What do you think that I mean? Did he have special powers, or was he just talking Protestant conspiracy theory gibberish?
 
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