Apparently the proud in heart are an abomination

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Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD (Proverbs 16:5)

I've noticed a justification of pride in christian contexts in the past, so I was curious what your opinion on this scripture is, and if it affects how you deal with people.
 

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It is an inflated view of oneself approaching self-worship.
It is characterized by self-righteousness.

It is okay to like oneself, but we must stay realistic & honest about where we stand and our need for Jesus.
 
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Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD (Proverbs 16:5)

I've noticed a justification of pride in christian contexts in the past, so I was curious what your opinion on this scripture is, and if it affects how you deal with people.
Pride is the basis for almost every sin if you really think about it.
 
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"Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man;
but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted
beyond what you are able,​
but with the temptation will also make the way of escape,
that you may be able to bear it." 1 Corinthians 10:12-13 NKJV​
 
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"Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man;
but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted
beyond what you are able,​
but with the temptation will also make the way of escape,
that you may be able to bear it." 1 Corinthians 10:12-13 NKJV​
Michael, we can use the verse @Sabertooth quoted to answer the second part of your question. This passage teaches us to be vigilant of our own weakness and to treat others as Jesus did.
Though he was the King of kings, Jesus humbled himself to the point of death and became servant of all. Philippians 2:5-11
1 Peter 5:8, ESV
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

Matthew 23:11-12, ESV
The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.​
 
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If you had some senses you might know the opposite to pride, is what delights the Lord.


Jesus meek, lowly on a donkey, Jesus having nowhere to lay His head, Jesus suffering the persecution, the dishonour, Jesus hated without a cause, betrayed, murdered, knowing all of this, made Him a man of sorrows acquainted with grief....it means no chance for pride. God shows the Spirit of meekness is the opposing to pride, so without that Spirit, you wont be free from pride, or even understand it.
 
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Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD (Proverbs 16:5)

I've noticed a justification of pride in christian contexts in the past, so I was curious what your opinion on this scripture is, and if it affects how you deal with people.
You can be proud, in many cases of acheivement etc. but not Haughty or lofty or put yourself above others as the passage uses the word proud. Remember language is not a precise instrument and needs to be contextualised so as not to be tempted to excuse ones behaviour or to use as weapon against others.
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Pride is regarded as the most dangerous passion by the Desert Fathers and tne Eastern Orthodox monks, as documented in works such as The Ladder of Divine Ascent, the Philokalia, an anthology on monasticism, mystical theology, prayer and hesychasm, and the Arena, a guidebook for monastics by the 19th century Russian Orthodox bishop (who like most Orthodox bishops, began as a monk, and remained a member of the monastery throughout his career). Indeed, we see the devil attempting to appeal to pride on the part of our Lord, in vain, for God is sinless, and likewise attempting to trip up St. Anthony the Great, the first widely known Desert Father, in the excellent biography of him by St. Athanasius.

Basically, the danger is that as monks conquer the other passions, like lust, gluttony, sloth, avarice and so on, they are at risk of pride, and can become deluded that they accomplished this spiritual feat, when in fact it was the result of the Holy Spirit working within them synergistically.

Consequently, this is immediately relevant to us, living in the world, and not just to monasteries, because if we advance in our Christian faith in some way, by learning to resist a persistent temptation, we can be tempted by pride to ignore that our progress was enabled by the infinite and uncreated grace freely given by God the Holy Spirit, and the most we did was cooperate with that grace, and so, believing ourselves to have advanced on our own, in a kind of Pelagian conceit, we undo whatever progress we had made through the grace and loving kindness of our Lord and Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, sent by our savior to help us follow Him.
 
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Luke 14:7 And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them.
8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Luke 9:46 Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.
47 And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,
48 And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.
 
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Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD (Proverbs 16:5)

I've noticed a justification of pride in christian contexts in the past, so I was curious what your opinion on this scripture is, and if it affects how you deal with people.

Pride is not something to be proud of.
 
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Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.
18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.

1 Timothy 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
 
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Pride is not something to be proud of.
I'd agree, but some people are proud of their car, have gender pride, proud of their house.

However, where is the line drawn between having a sense of accomplishment, and pride? And on another angle is that sense of accomplishment according to God's transformation or the pattern of the world?
 
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Pride is regarded as the most dangerous passion by the Desert Fathers and tne Eastern Orthodox monks, as documented in works such as The Ladder of Divine Ascent, the Philokalia, an anthology on monasticism, mystical theology, prayer and hesychasm, and the Arena, a guidebook for monastics by the 19th century Russian Orthodox bishop (who like most Orthodox bishops, began as a monk, and remained a member of the monastery throughout his career). Indeed, we see the devil attempting to appeal to pride on the part of our Lord, in vain, for God is sinless, and likewise attempting to trip up St. Anthony the Great, the first widely known Desert Father, in the excellent biography of him by St. Athanasius.

Basically, the danger is that as monks conquer the other passions, like lust, gluttony, sloth, avarice and so on, they are at risk of pride, and can become deluded that they accomplished this spiritual feat, when in fact it was the result of the Holy Spirit working within them synergistically.

Consequently, this is immediately relevant to us, living in the world, and not just to monasteries, because if we advance in our Christian faith in some way, by learning to resist a persistent temptation, we can be tempted by pride to ignore that our progress was enabled by the infinite and uncreated grace freely given by God the Holy Spirit, and the most we did was cooperate with that grace, and so, believing ourselves to have advanced on our own, in a kind of Pelagian conceit, we undo whatever progress we had made through the grace and loving kindness of our Lord and Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, sent by our savior to help us follow Him.
Is it not more effective to concentrate on the virtues? IE. keep your eye on the target and create less chance of missing the mark (sinning), if you do quickly take fresh aim hopefully becoming increasingly more accomplished remembering that perfection is unattainable but in following Yeshua the goal is achievable: to be with him in the next by living in "his Kingdom now" in love, forgiveness and compassion for absolutely everyone.
In LOve
Jay Sea
 
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Is it not more effective to concentrate on the virtues? IE. keep your eye on the target and create less chance of missing the mark (sinning), if you do quickly take fresh aim hopefully becoming increasingly more accomplished remembering that perfection is unattainable but in following Yeshua the goal is achievable: to be with him in the next by living in "his Kingdom now" in love, forgiveness and compassion for absolutely everyone.
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Well, basically, that’s what the Orthodox texts recommend. It is merely that we need to avoid attributing to ourself credit for the progress we make, because that becomes Pride, which unravels our progress.
 
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Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD (Proverbs 16:5)

I've noticed a justification of pride in christian contexts in the past, so I was curious what your opinion on this scripture is, and if it affects how you deal with people.

That tells me when Christians say, "Such-and-such is an abomination before God!" they ain't hitting on much. If pride is an abomination, every one of us is hating it. My conclusion: Be gracious since we all engage in abominations. Perhaps the Lord will forgive our abominations as we forgive the abominations of others.
 
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I'd agree, but some people are proud of their car, have gender pride, proud of their house.

However, where is the line drawn between having a sense of accomplishment, and pride? And on another angle is that sense of accomplishment according to God's transformation or the pattern of the world?

Pride is seeing oneself as the primary source of an accomplishment. Satisfaction at accomplishing something while acknowledging God's role as the source of one's ability to do so is not the same thing. Being proud of one's gender or one's car or one's house or one's innate sexual preferences is based upon truly prideful self love as the one thing that is consistent in those things is being proud of one's own self.
 
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