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According to Scriptures, the Word of God is Jesus Christ, firstly, and secondly, we are no longer under the law, according to St. Paul, and it is important we not keep to the Old Mosaic Law, because if we adhere to any part of the Old Law, we are bound to keep the entire Law. The Mosaic Law was specific to the Jews; in Christ Jesus, there is neither Greek nor Jew.

This is where I have finally realized the importance, within Western Christianity, which suffers from a Roman forensic obsession with sin, of Martin Luther’s stress on the Law and Gospel. This had at one time struck me as a false dichotomy, but now I see it as a pathway to the correct Eastern Christian understanding of sin as a disease that Christ has come to heal (the word Salvation is directly related to Salve, as in, a healing ointment).

To be saved, a Christian must believe in our Lord, pursue baptism as a catechumen* if not already legitimately baptized, confess their sins and make every effort to repent, and having confessed and received absolution, either generally as in the Anglican Divine Office and Holy Communion service, or via auricular confession to a pastor, which can be really helpful, and which is offered in all traditional Protestant churches, as well as Orthodox and Catholic churches, and which in any decent church and any truly free country, is completely confidential, one should partake of the Eucharist (Holy Communion). The cycle of confession and the Eucharist, as frequently as possible, conveys great sacramental grace via the Holy Spirit, which is why our Lord commands that we partake of Him via Holy Communion. Note that this is not works righteousness, in that these are not works, but rather the means of grace ordained by God for our benefit, just as animal sacrifices, drink offerings and the shewbread were ordained by the same God as a means of grace for the Jews, which was a typological prophecy of the sacrifice of our Lord on the Cross and our reception of that sacrifice through the consecrated bread and wine, which are His body and blood, in Holy Communion, in which we recapitulate the Last Supper and are united with the entire church (see 1 Corinthians 10-11, John 6).

However, as St. James warns in his epistle, faith without works is dead. What are the works that indicate a living, healthy faith? Loving God above everything else, and loving our neighbor as we love ourself. Of course, we are so depraved we cannot even do that properly, which is why we must confess, repent, and partake of the Eucharist, but if we keep doing that, over time, through the grace of the Holy Spirit, we can improve. John Wesley explained this concept, known in Eastern theology as Theosis, as Entire Sanctification. We cooperate with the Holy Spirit working inside us to do a better job loving our neighbor, and as we do that more and more, and as we learn to pray more and more, because Christ our Lord, God and Savior directed us to pray without ceasing, we will slowly begin to overcome the passions that cause us to sin and fall short of the glory of God. We can get better, but only if we do this, remembering always the Holy Cross, and what Christ our God did for us on the Cross. What I have described, I believe Lutherans would call the Via Crucis (@ViaCrucis and @MarkRohfrietsch might confirm this).

The Cross is so central to our salvation, that it is imperative that we remember it in our prayers and our worship. A cross or crucifix should be centrally placed and clearly visible on the altar of every Christian church, and historically, Christian churches have been built in the shape of crosses. I am always troubled when I see a place of worship that lacks a cross.
According to the scriptures Jesus is indeed the living Word of God *John 1:1-4: 14 who has given us his God breathed written Word... 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

According to Jesus we are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God in Matthew 4:4. So to make the claim that Jesus is somehow separate from His Word does not make any sense as it is written that we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. Obedience to God's words are not how we are saved it is the fruit of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27.

If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. At the second coming Christs reward is with him *Revelation 22:12.

According to the scriptures no one receives God's Grace if they do not believe and follow God's Word (see John 3:16-21; Hebrews 10:26-31) and the scriptures teach that no one knows God by not believing his Word and doing what God's Word says according to John in 1 John 2:3-4 and James 2:17-26.

It is written that our salvation is by God's grace that we receive through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9 and that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God *Romans 10:17. So we cannot separate our salvation from believing what Gods' Word says or we cannot separate the written Word of God from the living Word of God (Jesus) as the written words of God is where we receive Gods' gift of eternal life as we believe what Gods' Word says.

Therefore according to the scriptures without faith in Gods' Word (Jesus and His Word) it is impossible to please God because he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. *Hebrews 11:6 and whatsoever is not of faith in sin *Romans 14:23. So if we ignore the written Word of God we ignore the very means that God has given us for our salvation (John 17:17; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21-23)

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THERE IS NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE SPOKEN/WRITTEN WORD OF GOD

Psalms 78:1 Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth

Psalms 50:16-17 [16], But to the wicked God said, What have you to do to declare my statutes, or that you should take my covenant in your mouth? [17], Seeing you hate instruction, and casts my words behind you.

Psalms 119:57 You are my portion, O LORD: I have said that I would keep your words.

Psalms 119:103 How sweet are your words to my taste! yes, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit to you, I will make known my words to you.

Proverbs 2:1-6 [1], My son, if you will receive my words, and hide my commandments with you; [2], So that you incline your ear to wisdom, and apply your heart to understanding; [3], Yes, if you cry after knowledge, and lift up your voice for understanding; [4], If you seek her as silver, and search for her as for hid treasures; [5], Then shall you understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. [6], For the LORD gives wisdom: out of his mouth comes knowledge and understanding.

Proverbs 4:4 He taught me also, and said to me, Let your heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.

Proverbs 7:1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with you.

Proverbs 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing fraudulent or perverse in them.

Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil on this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not listened to my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Jeremiah 11:10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.

Jeremiah 13:10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.

Jeremiah 15:16 Your words were found, and I did eat them; and your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart: for I am called by your name, O LORD God of hosts.

Jeremiah 29:19 Because they have not listened to my words, said the LORD, which I sent to them by my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them; but you would not hear, said the LORD.

Mathew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

John 6:63, It is the spirit that vivifies; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 12:47-48 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our stayed with him.

John 15:7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you.

Matthew 4:4 Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God

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There is no salvation outside of faith in God's Word. As posted earlier no one is "under the law" unless we stand guilty before God of breaking the law *Romans 3:19-20.

Take Care.
 
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I know somebody personally who is a Seventh Day Adventist who was dating a girl from a non Denominational background.

They had an on again off again relationship.

His parents were not very pleased about the relationship because they are very old school traditional SDAs. From sundown Friday to sundown Saturday; they observe the Sabbath very much like orthodox Jews, believe in the prophetical status of Ellen G White, and practice veganism.

Even though the girl has said that she converted SDA, he still broke up with her because it did not seem that she was serious enough about the faith.

He and his parents have been trying to get me to convert to SDA; but, its more than just about observing the Sabbath(Friday/Saturday) instead of the first day of the week(Sunday).

If it were just only about the day of worship, there would really be no problem.

After all, there are Seventh Day Baptist and Messianic Jews.

SDAs of course believe in personal salvation by faith alone in Jesus Christ; but, there are some deep theological differences on some major issues:



First and foremost, SDAs believe in keeping Seventh Day Sabbath. Evangelicals keep Sunday(the first day of the week).

2. SDAs believe in soul sleep or unconsciousness after death. Evangelicals believe in consciousness after death or the immortality of the soul.

3. SDAs adhere to the doctrine of annihilation (which I hope they are right about) Matt 7:13-14. Evangelicals believe in an everlasting burning hell.

4. SDA follow the Old Testament dietary laws which prohibits eating pork and other split hoof animals. Evangelicals do not.

5. SDAs are never completely sure of their salvation (due to the investigative Judgement) and believe you can loose it. Evangelicals are very sure of salvation.

6. SDAs believe in the prima scriptura prophetic status of Ellen G White. The Great Controversy is a like a second Bible. Of course, Evangelicals do not.

7. SDAs believe in the heavenly sanctuary. I don't think Evangelicals do.

On issues of prophecy, both Seventh Day Adventist Sunday Evangelicals believe that the anti-Christ will come from Rome. However, they differ in their interpretation of who it will be. The SDA believes that the Roman Catholic Church or the Papacy is the anti Christ system. The mark of the beast will be enforced Sunday worship someday. Most Christians believe the anti-Christ will be a single person from Western Europe(The revived Roman Empire) or a future UN secretary general under a New World Order. A minority view is that the anti-Christ will come from the Middle East. The mark of the beast will be a microchip or a mark on the forehead. SDAs do not believe in the rapture whereas most Evangelicals do.

SDAs and Evangelicals both believe in the millennium kingdom; but the former believes it is going to be in heaven and the latter thinks it going to be on earth.

The Investigative Judgement is a little to complicated for me to understand.

I have heard of people who were formerly Sunday worshippers converting to Seventh Day Adventism, but it would really take some deep theological reconditioning on many beliefs.

It depends.

If the evangelical actually reads the New Testament from Matthew to Revelation regularly, and not just SDA proof texts, they will never become SDA.

Especially if they read all of Galatians, which was written just for them and other old covenant law keepers,

Maranatha
 
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Indeed, and this is erroneous, because it appears to deny the authority given to the Apostles and their successors to bind and loose sins, it calls into question the means of grace, it is a distraction from the centrality of the cross, and it also ignores the sovereignty of the Church and the guidance of the Church by the Holy Spirit. If the Church Catholic, by which I mean the Early Church when Christians were united in a group of regional churches in communion with each other, and at present, all Nicene Christians everywhere (basically, anyone defined as a Christian according to the CF.com Statement of Faith, which is pretty good), defines Sunday as the Sabbath, which is debatable, and irrelevant, such a decision is within its purview, for the Church Catholic is guided by the Holy Spirit, and the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it. And to the extent that anyone fails to perfectly observe the Sabbath, which everyone will fail to do to varying extents, even after years of prayer and devotion, the Church has been delegated the power by Christ our God to pronounce absolution, for those sins the Apostles and their successors forgive on Earth, are forgiven in Heaven, and only those which they retain will be retained in Heaven.

Well that is not true. Let me ask you the same questions then asked to someone else earlier. According to the scriptures we need to believe and follow all of Gods' Word to be saved. Salvation is conditional on believing and following what Gods' Word says. For example, can we live a life of known unrepentant sin committing adultery and be saved? What about lying, stealing or committing murder? What about if we make idols and bow down to worship them or take other God's and remain unrepentant? Is one saved if they live in known unrepentant sin when God has given them a knowledge of the truth of His Word *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31?

Take Care.
 
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One other false doctrine of the SDA is the confusion of Jesus Christ, God the Son, and one of three persons in the Holy Trinity, who is fully God and fully Man, with the Archangel Michael
This is misinformation. Let's be upfront honest and clear here so there is no misunderstandings. No SDA believes that Jesus is an Angel. The Hebrew for Michael is H4317: מִיכָאֵל Mîykâʼêl means who is like God. While the Greek of archangel is ἀρχάγγελος: archángelos and means chief or in charge of the angels. So the meaning here is Michael (who is like God) is in charge of the angles (Archangel). This is how SDA's interpret the meaning of Michael the Archangel as being Christ. That Christ is God who is in charge of the Angels. It is just one of many names and titles applied to Jesus who is God
I would also propose Annhilation is not the heterodox eschatology you want to hope for. While it is an error to take the Universalist position and say all must be saved, we can hope and pray that all may be saved.
You can propose anything you want to but only Gods Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures linked that disagree with you here. We should be careful here as according to the scriptures only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Our views and opinions do not really matter much if they disagree with the scriptures.

Take Care.
 
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According to the scriptures, you need to trust in Jesus Christ and receive the Holy Spirit to be saved.
No one is trusting in Christ if they do not believe and follow what Gods Word says according to the scriptures (Matthew 7:21-23; Hebrews 10:26-31) and no one receives Gods' Spirit if they do not believe and follow what God's Word says *Acts of the Apostles 5:32; Acts of the Apostles 2:38.

Take Care
 
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It depends.

If the evangelical actually reads the New Testament from Matthew to Revelation regularly, and not just SDA proof texts, they will never become SDA.

Especially if they read all of Galatians, which was written just for them and other old covenant law keepers,

Maranatha

Sorry but I respectfully disagree with this post and I say so from personal experience. Please read my personal testimony here linked. Also, Galatians does not teach lawlessness (without law) and no one has ever said here that we get our righteousness from keeping the law so your what have you posted here that is true in context to this discussion? - Nothing.

Take Care.
 
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Amen! (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 1:13; 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

According to the scriptures, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved because all of us have already broken the law and are under it's penalty of condemnation and death *Romans 3:9-23; 2 Corinthians 3:3-11. So it is by God's grace through faith that we are saved through Gods forgiveness of our sins. According to the scriptures, obedience to Gods' law therefore is the fruit of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Therefore says Jesus you shall know them (who is from God and who is not) by their fruit. *Matthew 7:16-20; John 15:1-6; 1 John 2:3-4.

Hope this is helpful Dan.
 
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No one is trusting in Christ if they do not believe and follow what Gods Word says according to the scriptures (Matthew 7:21-23; Hebrews 10:26-31) and no one receives Gods' Spirit if they do not believe and follow what God's Word says *Acts of the Apostles 5:32; Acts of the Apostles 2:38.

Take Care
The first believers didn't have access to the texts you are quoting and still received the Holy Spirit.

(and God does not show favoritism)

Cornelius was instructed to go talk to Peter because he was known by God for helping the poor. Peter met with him at God's instruction and before Peter was finished "the message" they already received the Holy Spirit.

To receive the Holy Spirit you just need to trust God.
 
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The first believers didn't have access to the texts you are quoting and still received the Holy Spirit. (and God does not show favoritism)
Romans 10:17 says that Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. The early believers had access to the spoken Words of God that were latter recorded as the written Word of God. We are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8) and this faith comes by the spoken and written Words of God *Romans 10:17. In the days of Jesus and the Apostles their bible was the old testament scriptures (the written Word of God) that pointed to Jesus as the living Word of God who also gave us the spoken Word of God. There is no salvation outside of Gods' spoken and written Words because this is where we are to have saving faith that we are to believe and follow.

Take Care.
 
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Romans 10:17 says that Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. The early believers had access to the spoken Words of God that were latter recorded as the written Word of God. We are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8) and this faith comes by the spoken and written Words of God *Romans 10:17. In the days of Jesus and the Apostles their bible was the old testament scriptures (the written Word of God) that pointed to Jesus as the living Word of God who also gave us the spoken Word of God.

Take Care.
Cornelius was instructed to go talk to Peter because he was known by God for helping the poor. Peter met with him at God's instruction and before Peter was finished "the message" they already received the Holy Spirit.

To receive the Holy Spirit you just need to trust God.

The letter kills, but the spirit gives life.

The written words cannot replace the role of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Cornelius was instructed to go talk to Peter because he was known by God for helping the poor. Peter met with him at God's instruction and before Peter was finished "the message" they already received the Holy Spirit. To receive the Holy Spirit you just need to trust God. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life. The written words cannot replace the role of the Holy Spirit.
According to the scriptures the letter of the Word of God is not separate from the Spirit of God as it is written in John 6:63, It is the spirit that vivifies; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life. God's Spirit therefore works through the letter of the word of God not against God's Word as it is the Spirit of the Word of God that changes us as we believe and follow what Gods Word. This is why Jesus says Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit *John 3:3-7. According to John those who are born of God do not practice sin and those who do have not seen or know him *1 John 3:6-9; 1 John 2:3-4. God only gives His Spirit to those who believe and obey what His Word says *Acts of the Apostles 5:32; Romans 14:23; John 3:36; John 17:17. To trust in God therefore means to believe and follow what Gods' Word says.

Take Care.
 
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The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit
I.e. there is no instruction manual.

The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth.
 
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I.e. there is no instruction manual.
The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth.

The instruction manual is the Words of God (scripture) and there is no faith outside of Gods' spoken or recorded written Words *Romans 10:17; Matthew 4:4; John 17:17; Ephesians 2:8-9; 2 Timothy 3:16. Jesus says the words that I speak unto you they are Spirit and they are life *John 6:63. Therefore there is no life outside of faith in Gods' Word according to the scriptures *John 3:36; John 6:63.

Psalms 50:17 Seeing you hate instruction, and casts my words behind you.

Jeremiah 35:13 Thus said the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will you not receive instruction to listen to my words? says the LORD.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Take Care.
 
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As posted earlier there is not one scripture in all of the bible telling us that God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus warns us in His own words that if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:2-9.

Firstly, your point is irrelevant, because I observe the Sabbath by remembering that on that day, Christ rested in a tomb after recreating me. That you find this unacceptable is a matter of interpretation. Secondly, if I were to agree with the position held by many Christians that the Sabbath has been moved to Sunday, no additional scripture would be required because of Matthew and Galatians and the rest of the New Testament; the Church as a whole, guided by the Holy Spirit, when it acts as a whole, for example, at the Council of Nicea, or in finalizing the canon of the New Testament, is inspired in its decision making to a point that is basically infallible. Thirdly, there is no basis for saying that Sunday worship is manmade, since it is recorded in Acts, divinely inspired scripture, and since our Lord created the universe, and also rose from the dead, thus recreating the universe, on Sunday, and also commanded us to pray without ceasing. Indeed, the Jews worship on Sunday, not just on the Sabbath; major synagogues will have the three daily prayers every day of the week, and in Israel, on weekdays, one will find minyans (groups of at least ten Jews who form a quorum for congregational prayer; in traditional Rabinnical Judaism, they must all be male, and have completed the Bar Mitzvah ritual), forming in the marketplaces and workplaces at the hours of prayer. The thrice daily prayers and thrice daily Synagogue services were instituted by St. Esdras (Ezra), the priest who together with Nehemiah, rebuilt Jerusalem and Judaism after the Babylonian captivity. And these Synagogue services formed the basis for Christian worship, which traditionally has at least three daily prayers (usually, morning, evening and night prayer).

Finally, as we have been over and over countless times, the context of Matthew 15 is the traditions of the Pharisees, which were ultimately codified in the Talmud, and which deviate from the plain letter of the Mosaic Law for reasons which are often extremely legalistic; for example, the fringes on Jewish garments are supposed to be white and blue, but the Talmud requires they be white, because the precise blue dye or shade of blue is not specified in scripture. Likewise, the hypocritical legalistic practices of the Pharisees described in that encounter, and elsewhere, is what our Lord is referring to by Traditions of Men. Since the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church we confess in the Nicene Creed is protected, inspired and guided by the Holy Spirit when it acts in unison, none of the actions of the Early Church from Pentecost until the Council of Chalcedon, where a serious, pointless and persistent schism between the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics on the one hand, and the Oriental Orthodox in the other, was initiated, can be considered to be uninspired acts of man. It is only after schisms began to form and ecumenical unity and cohesion was lost, between Chalcedon, the Great Schism of 1054, and the inevitable Protestant Reformation, that the acts of individual denominations can be subject to scrutiny.
 
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2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
All scripture is indeed useful, but it still stands that the Holy Spirit lead us into all truth.
 
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This is misinformation. Let's be upfront honest and clear here so there is no misunderstandings. No SDA believes that Jesus is an Angel. The Hebrew for Michael is H4317: מִיכָאֵל Mîykâʼêl means who is like God. While the Greek of archangel is ἀρχάγγελος: archángelos and means chief or in charge of the angels. So the meaning here is Michael (who is like God) is in charge of the angles (Archangel). This is how SDA's interpret the meaning of Michael the Archangel as being Christ. That Christ is God who is in charge of the Angels. It is just one of many names and titles applied to Jesus who is God

The problem there is of course that St. Michael actually is an angel, and his Greek name proves it. Arch, followed by a vocation, indicates a ruler among those of that vocation. For example, the seniormost presbyter at an Orthodox cathedral is an archimandrite, if monastic, or an archpriest, if part of the married clergy. Thus, archangel means “Ruling angel”, and not “Ruler of Angels” as my friend @Greek Orthodox can confirm. In addition, 1 Enoch, which is scripture, because Jude quotes it in his Epistle, enumerates the seven archangels by name.

Finally, and most devastatingly to this erroneous doctrine, which the OP should be aware of, is that there are no records in the early church, which is infallible, to suggest that anyone believed Jesus Christ and the Archangel Michael were the same person. Indeed, this doctrine was developed by an English nonconformist Presbyterian minister, Matthew Henry, in the 17th century. As an innovation, we can reject it outright, just as we reject outright the doctrine of the Rapture and Chiliasm as depicted in Left Behind, because it was developed by John Nelson Darby in the 19th century and had no Patristic precedent.

New ideas that just pop out of nowhere cannot, by their nature, be added to the doctrines of the Gospel handed down from the Apostles.
 
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You can propose anything you want to but only Gods Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures linked that disagree with you here. We should be careful here as according to the scriptures only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Our views and opinions do not really matter much if they disagree with the scriptures.

Once again, I do not disagree with any scriptures. I only disagree with your specific interpretation of them. It is, as I have said before, extremely hurtful to be accused of disagreeing with God’s Word, which refers, as I have said, to Jesus Christ, or to be accused of disagreeing with the Scriptures, which I view as entirely inspired by the Holy Spirit, and as a verbal icon of Christ our God.
 
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Once again, I do not disagree with any scriptures. I only disagree with your specific interpretation of them. It is, as I have said before, extremely hurtful to be accused of disagreeing with God’s Word, which refers, as I have said, to Jesus Christ, or to be accused of disagreeing with the Scriptures, which I view as entirely inspired by the Holy Spirit, and as a verbal icon of Christ our God.
It would be helpful to quote scripture where you disagree. I don't see a lot of scripture references in your posts and you usually fall back to what the early church teaches, not what the bible teaches. The early church is not infallible-far from it. There's a lot of history there that is concerning. We can only trust what is written in the bible. The Holy Spirit is given to those who obey Acts 5:32 and is given so we can keep God's commandments John 14:15-18 not change them. There is no scripture anywhere God blessed, sanctified and made holy the first day. Sunday is not a holy day to God, only the seventh day Sabbath is God's holy day, this is by God's authority not what was changed by man. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13 Sunday keeping is not a commandment from God but there is the commandment for Sabbath keeping, because the Sabbath is the Holy day of the Lord thy God from Creation Genesis 2:1-3 until eternity Isaiah 66:23 as promised Exodus 31:16. You are free to follow traditions, but Jesus tells us to keep the commandments of God over traditions. Matthew 15:3-9
 
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I provide scriptural citations; I provided scriptural citations, and that is the truth of the matter.
Actually if I am being honest with you dear friend, all you I see in your posts is your opinion not based on the scriptures and neither supported by the scriptures. According to the scriptures our words and opinions do not really matter much in God's eyes if they disagree with God's Word. Also, so there is no misunderstanding, I am not singling you out here I am including myself and all people in what is written here as it is written in the scriptures, only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that lead us to break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Matthew 15:2-9.
 
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