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Yes, all the time.
A kingdom can be built up without actually taking power and reigning. It's currently in the process of being built.

Another verse I thought of that illustrates that Christ's kingdom isn't here and isn't in power yet. It was what the thief on the cross said to Jesus:

Luke 23:42
And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!”

This again indicates that Christ's kingdom is still not in power.
Did the kingdom not come in power on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit (also called the Spirit of Christ - Romans 8:9, 1 Peter 1:11) came to dwell in believers and thousands of people were saved that day?

Is Jesus your King? If so, how can He be your King without you being in His kingdom? He's not a King without a kingdom.
 
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It would also save time for you to pick one.

You've answered multiple questions from me before and it was no problem. Post #77 and #80. I thought you'd be able to do that again.
 
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Did the kingdom not come in power on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit (also called the Spirit of Christ - Romans 8:9, 1 Peter 1:11) came to dwell in believers and thousands of people were saved that day?
What happened then was a sample of what is yet to happen. Joel 2:28-29 is not yet fulfilled, proved by the context of that prophecy.

It is really wackadoodle nonsense to say we are in the Kingdom of Jesus now. I don't need to point out the proofs of this; they are everywhere.
 
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What happened then was a sample of what is yet to happen. Joel 2:28-29 is not yet fulfilled, proved by the context of that prophecy.
What happened then showed the nature of His kingdom, which is that it's spiritual and heavenly in nature. It does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36).

It is really wackadoodle nonsense to say we are in the Kingdom of Jesus now. I don't need to point out the proofs of this; they are everywhere.
It is complete nonsense to say that we are NOT in the kingdom of Jesus now. Is He your King now, keras? If so, then that means you are in His kingdom. He's not a King without a kingdom. To deny being in His kingdom now is no different than denying that He is the King now, which is shameful.

You have no scripture to show Him as not being King now and us not being in His kingdom now, while I have plenty of scripture to show that He is the King and we are in His kingdom now. Scripture is overwhelmingly in favor of the view that He is King now and we are in His kingdom now. To deny it is just ludicrous and shows a complete lack of spiritual discernment and lack of knowledge of New Testament scripture. The following scriptures all prove that He is the King and we are in His kingdom now.

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.
 
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You've answered multiple questions from me before and it was no problem. Post #77 and #80. I thought you'd be able to do that again.
I will, but pick one. Or not. Your choice.
 
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Mark 1:15 proves my view.
Reality proves that we are not yet in the Kingdom with Jesus as world ruler. That idea is rather tenuous and hard to convince anyone of, as it is obvious to all, that Satan continues to deceive people.
 
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Now you are getting it. We still have a long way to go. The kingdom here on Earth is still growing as is laid out in the OT and NT.
Nope, not a long way to go. Adam's time is up. 6 days shalt thou labor. Mankind cannot go on in sin more than 6 days. What has been done will have to be sufficient, unless the church decides to take advantage of:

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
 
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It is complete nonsense to say that we are NOT in the kingdom of Jesus now. Is He your King now, keras? If so, then that means you are in His kingdom. He's not a King without a kingdom. To deny being in His kingdom now is no different than denying that He is the King now, which is shameful
It is nonsense to claim the near 8 billion souls on earth are all in the kingdom of Jesus Christ. If they are not in the kingdom, then the kingdom has not come to earth. It is still in Paradise where the majority of the church is currently enjoying God's creation.
 
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Reality proves that we are not yet in the Kingdom with Jesus as world ruler. That idea is rather tenuous and hard to convince anyone of, as it is obvious to all, that Satan continues to deceive people.
I walk by faith, not by sight. Jesus says He has all authority. I believe Him.
 
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Nope, not a long way to go. Adam's time is up. 6 days shalt thou labor. Mankind cannot go on in sin more than 6 days. What has been done will have to be sufficient, unless the church decides to take advantage of:

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
I don’t understand your response. I have no idea what six day creation has to do with anything, nor a passage from the OT that dealt specifically with OT Israel.
 
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I don’t understand your response. I have no idea what six day creation has to do with anything, nor a passage from the OT that dealt specifically with OT Israel.
Do you even know why sin is in the world?
 
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It is nonsense to claim the near 8 billion souls on earth are all in the kingdom of Jesus Christ. If they are not in the kingdom, then the kingdom has not come to earth. It is still in Paradise where the majority of the church is currently enjoying God's creation.
I don't claim that everyone on earth is in His kingdom. Do you have to misunderstand everything you read which results in you constantly misrepresenting what people believe? You never understand anything. Only believers are in His kingdom and I've never said otherwise. But He also has authority over everyone else, just as He Himself said.

Is there something confusing about what He said here:

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

This was a very straightforward statement that Jesus made. Do you deny that he has all authority in heaven and on earth? I would hope not. It's a very bad idea to reject anything that Jesus said.
 
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It certainly is. We are the bride of Christ.

Are you now saying that the bride of Christ has come down out of Heaven, as the New Jerusalem is described in Revelation?

Well, let's just skip that for now. I'd prefer to address your claim that we're living in the Millennium since that is clearly rebutted. Here's a passage from scripture (Revelation 20) that describes it. See if you can agree that it describes our current time:

20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Ok, here are a couple questions to consider. You don't have to answer them if you don't want to, but they're worth considering.
1. Are the nations of the earth no longer being deceived?

2. Have those who were beheaded been resurrected and living on earth to reign with Christ for 1,000 years? IOW, has the first resurrection already happened?
 
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Are you now saying that the bride of Christ has come down out of Heaven, as the New Jerusalem is described in Revelation?

Well, let's just skip that for now. I'd prefer to address your claim that we're living in the Millennium since that is clearly rebutted. Here's a passage from scripture (Revelation 20) that describes it. See if you can agree that it describes our current time:

20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Ok, here are a couple questions to consider. You don't have to answer them if you don't want to, but they're worth considering.
I'd like to answer them if you don't mind.

1. Are the nations of the earth no longer being deceived?
They are no longer in complete spiritual darkness as they were in Old Testament times because the light of the gospel has spread to all the nations of the earth. The context of Satan's binding has to do with what he was able to do before and after the life, death and resurrection of Christ and the spread of the gospel of Christ.

2. Have those who were beheaded been resurrected and living on earth to reign with Christ for 1,000 years? IOW, has the first resurrection already happened?
Their souls are in heaven with Christ and they reign with Him there. Yes, the first resurrection has already happened, but not in the way that you are thinking.

Acts 26:23 that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

Christ's resurrection was the first unto immortality. In 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 Paul said that Christ's was the first resurrection and then next in order are those who belong to Him at His second coming. So, the mass bodily resurrection of believers that will occur at His second coming is not the first resurrection, but rather the second.

So, when it talks about those who have part or share in the first resurrection, it's talking about having part or sharing in His resurrection. Which all believers do spiritually when we are saved. That's why Revelation 1:5-6 says that even now we are priests in His kingdom, which shows that Revelation 20:6 is not speaking of a distant future reality, but instead of a current reality.

Now, I have a few questions for you to think about and you can answer them if you want.

Where were the souls of the dead martyrs that John saw located?

Is Jesus Christ your King right now? If so, do you understand that means you are in His kingdom now since He is not a King without a kingdom?

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Compare the following 2 verses:

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

What does Revelation 1:5-6 indicate about the timing of Christ's reign with those who are priests in His kingdom? Can you see that John wrote in present tense there? He was talking about a current reality. Should that not tell us something about the timing of Revelation 20:6? I definitely believe so.
 
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Are you now saying that the bride of Christ has come down out of Heaven, as the New Jerusalem is described in Revelation?

Yes. See Ephesians 5.
 
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