Can Salvation be lost?

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That is right, yet you teach old testament laws, such as sabbath keeping, and clean and unclean for what to eat. Your whole doctrine is keeping law, and your whole religion ( a divided sect of Christianity when we are forbidden to have divisions) is a religion that is like a diluted form of Judaism, but is still not faith, or would know, let every man be fully persuaded, and nothing is unclean of itself..
No not really. Everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated under the new covenant (scriptures support here). Please also re-read post # 359 linked which is relevant to this OP. It seems you did not understand it. May I ask you how what do you think the linked post and the scriptures provided them mean to you?
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. 16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Here let's add in all the context so there is no reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach...

ROMANS 14:1-22
[1], Him that is weak in the faith receive you, but not to doubtful disputations.
[2], For one believes that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eats herbs.
[3], Let not him that eats despise him that eats not; and let not him which eats not judge him that eats: for God has received him.
[4], Who are you that judge another man's servant? to his own master he stands or falls. Yes, he shall be held up: for God is able to make him stand.
[5], One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
[6], He that regards the day, regards it to the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that eats not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks.
[7], For none of us lives to himself, and no man dies to himself.
[8], For whether we live, we live to the Lord; and whether we die, we die to the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
[9], For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
[10], But why do you judge your brother? or why do you set at nothing your brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
[11], For it is written, As I live, said the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[12], So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
[13], Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
[14], I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
[15], But if your brother be grieved with your meat, now walk you not charitably. Destroy not him with your meat, for whom Christ died.
[16], Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
[17], For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
[19], Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things with which one may edify another.
[20], For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eats with offense.
[21], It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby your brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak.
[22], Have you faith? have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that comdemns not himself in that thing which he allows.
[23], And he that doubts is damned if he eat, because he eats not of faith: for whatever is not of faith is sin.

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CONCLUSION: Romans 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment of any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.


Hope this is helpful.
 
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"When Did Adventists Stop Eating Unclean Meat?
In 1863 Ellen White had a vision in which God gave her the health reform message. Part of this message was that Adventists should give up eating pork because it would cause health issues including cancer.

For many years the argument against eating pork was purely for health reasons and had nothing to do with the unclean meats of the Bible.

Overtime other (unclean) meats were pulled into this category by various SDA members. Ellen White eventually made some connection to the Biblical health laws saying that the difference “between articles of food as clean and unclean” was not “merely ceremonial and arbitrary regulation, but was based upon sanitary principles.” She also stated that the Jewish people had such great health due to their practice of abstaining from unclean foods."

Your spreading misinformation again and going off topic to the OP here. If you want to discuss this in detail here is the linked thread where you might like to post here linked as not to take this thread off topic. Please read the thread there before commenting as to save time.

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No not really. Everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated under the new covenant (scriptures support here). Please also re-read post # 359 linked which is relevant to this OP. It seems you did not understand it. May I ask you how what do you think the linked post and the scriptures provided them mean to you?


Here let's add in all the context so there is no reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach...

ROMANS 14:1-22
[1], Him that is weak in the faith receive you, but not to doubtful disputations.
[2], For one believes that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eats herbs.
[3], Let not him that eats despise him that eats not; and let not him which eats not judge him that eats: for God has received him.
[4], Who are you that judge another man's servant? to his own master he stands or falls. Yes, he shall be held up: for God is able to make him stand.
[5], One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
[6], He that regards the day, regards it to the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that eats not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks.
[7], For none of us lives to himself, and no man dies to himself.
[8], For whether we live, we live to the Lord; and whether we die, we die to the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
[9], For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
[10], But why do you judge your brother? or why do you set at nothing your brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
[11], For it is written, As I live, said the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[12], So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
[13], Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
[14], I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
[15], But if your brother be grieved with your meat, now walk you not charitably. Destroy not him with your meat, for whom Christ died.
[16], Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
[17], For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
[19], Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things with which one may edify another.
[20], For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eats with offense.
[21], It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby your brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak.
[22], Have you faith? have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that comdemns not himself in that thing which he allows.
[23], And he that doubts is damned if he eat, because he eats not of faith: for whatever is not of faith is sin.

................

CONCLUSION: Romans 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment of any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.


Hope this is helpful.


Your conclusion is adding to Gods word, and to take your conclusion away all I have to do is remind us, that all scripture is for instruction in righteousness.

The warning from God is for religions that are doctrines of devils to begin speaking about some of Gods things clean and some unclean.


SDA is one of these such religions that began doing exactly that. It is information, not misinformation.






LoveGodsword: "Everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated under the new covenant"




This is misinformation, because Jesus taught about the law, but did not teach sabbath as part of that magnified law..



Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
 
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Your spreading misinformation again and going off topic to the OP here. If you want to discuss this in detail here is the linked thread where you might like to post here linked as not to take this thread off topic. Please read the thread there before commenting as to save time.

Take Care




The thread is, can salvation be lost, and you are teaching about lost, as we are lost in the law..



Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
 
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Only Christ knows, man can't tell. I personally believe when saved/born again/accepting Christ with a true and humble heart, one can't loose their salvation,\]
That is not a teaching in the Bible
 
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That is not a teaching in the Bible



Then why not show what is a teaching in the bible, maybe it is to lay our lives down for Christ, for the Gospel and for others, and everybody who does not do that, cant save what is not lost..




Matthew 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Mark 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Mark 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
 
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Even if you throw his sacrifice and mercy back on his face and go your own way like some of the apostles who worked with Paul (1 Tim 1:19-20 & 2 Tim 1:15)?
1 Timothy 1

18 Timothy, my son, I am giving you this command in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by recalling them you may fight the battle well, 19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith. 20 Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.

Hymenaeus and Alexander were not the first that Paul had handed over to Satan, ... not for loss of salvation, but for correction. There was also the young man in the Corinthian church ...

1 Corinthians 5

1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
 
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Yes I’m very familiar with the message which is why I didn’t even have to look it up to know that He never said that’s the only thing we must do. Did you forget about John 15?
Did you miss Jesus speaking earlier in John 6 ...

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 
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1 Timothy 1

18 Timothy, my son, I am giving you this command in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by recalling them you may fight the battle well, 19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith. 20 Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.

Hymenaeus and Alexander were not the first that Paul had handed over to Satan, ... not for loss of salvation, but for correction. There was also the young man in the Corinthian church ...

1 Corinthians 5

1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.





Handed over to satan is what the whole world is, to be deceived..



Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.




Then all the men of the world, not just, Hymenaeus and Alexander, have this following already witnessed about them all, they blaspheme the name of God ( they did not learn to blaspheme not then) and they repented not ( of their evil selfish vain deeds and words) to give Him ( God) glory....


Revelation 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.


Revelation 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
 
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Did you miss Jesus speaking earlier in John 6 ...

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.






The will of the Father, is the will of the Son, and the will of who is His family too..



Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
 
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Handed over to satan is what the whole world is, to be deceived..
No ... being handed over to Satan is like what happened to Samson.

As one of the people of God, Samson trespassed into ungodly territory (Phillistia) ... and, thus, came under oppression from Satan (and his minions) ... until he came back to himself in the end.

Judges 6:28 Then Samson prayed to the Lord, “Sovereign Lord, remember me. Please, God, strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes.”

Ponder this ...

If anyone deserved to lose relationship with God for sins committed, it was David, who had a man murdered to marry his wife. But David's relationship with God never evaporated, though the fellowship was icy (or even, non-existent) for a year.
 
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The will of the Father, is the will of the Son, and the will of who is His family too..

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
Amen.

So, ... tell me, do you do the will of the Father ? Do you do ALL of the will of the Father ?
 
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Your conclusion is adding to Gods word, and to take your conclusion away all I have to do is remind us, that all scripture is for instruction in righteousness.
Yet you have not done this.
The warning from God is for religions that are doctrines of devils to begin speaking about some of Gods things clean and some unclean. SDA is one of these such religions that began doing exactly that. It is information, not misinformation.
These are just your words. God's word is not doctrine of devils and all you have provided here are your words. So sorry I do not believe you.
This is misinformation, because Jesus taught about the law, but did not teach sabbath as part of that magnified law.
Here you go you might have not read these...
Not according to the scriptures in Matthew 12:1-12; Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 24:20; Mark 13:18. Perhaps you did not read them? What do you think they are talking about?
Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Let's add a little more context in...

Those who are born again do not practice sin (breaking God's Commandments) *1 John 3:4-9. This is why John finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 John 5:3 and is why Jesus says “if you love me keep my commandments *John14:15. Unless we are born again under the new covenant to love we will not enter the kingdom of heaven *John 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the inside out.

Matthew 5:20 is interesting because on the outside the Scribes and Pharisees as JESUS taught appeared righteous to men. Outwardly blameless in regards to following God's 10 commandments but inwardly Jesus says they were full of SIN (breaking God's LAW) *Matthew 23:27-28. JESUS says; For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven *Matthew 5:20. The scripture in Isaiah 42:21 was posted to show that Jesus came to teach the true meaning of God's Law and that is it is to be applied to the inside out not for appearance to appear righteous to men but being inwardly full of sin and dead mans bones. God reads the heart and knows we are all sick with sin *Matthew 15:19-20; Matthew 12:34-35; Jeremiah 13:23; Jeremiah 17:9-10; Matthew 15:19-20; John 5:42 and in need of a Saviour from SIN. Many do not know the meaning here Matthew 9:12-13. This is leading to the new covenant promise of a new heart to love *Hebrews 8:10-12; John 5:42; 1 John 5:17-19; 1 John 4:16; 1 John 5:3; 1 John 4:8.

We do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. We need to be born of god to love *1 John 4:7 and partake of the new covenant promise. This is why Jesus teaches in *John 3:3-7 that unless we are made clean from the inside out and born again to love we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. This is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's law from the inside out.

Whosoever is born of God to love in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12 does not knowingly practice sin *1 John 3:9; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 3:31; Matthew 22:36-40. This is the good news of the gospels in the new covenant we have a Savior to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4.

1 John 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are born again to love and it is love that fulfills God's law in all those who believe and follow God's word in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10. this results in a people that keep God's law (10 commandments) from the inside out. *Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10; Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31; Hebrews 8:10-12. Unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven *John 3:3-7.

So can I ask you what is it you do not believe in the scriptures shared here or can I suggest we stay on topic to the OP?

………….

So what the conclusion of the matter?

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: FEAR GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.

God’s law (10 commandments) is not abolished they are fulfilled and established in the life of a believer as they believe God’s Word and abide in Christ and walk in God’s Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4.

Hope this is helpful
 
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No ... being handed over to Satan is like what happened to Samson.

As one of the people of God, Samson trespassed into ungodly territory (Phillistia) ... and, thus, came under oppression from Satan (and his minions) ... until he came back to himself in the end.

Judges 6:28 Then Samson prayed to the Lord, “Sovereign Lord, remember me. Please, God, strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes.”

Ponder this ...

If anyone deserved to lose relationship with God for sins committed, it was David, who had a man murdered to marry his wife. But David's relationship with God never evaporated, though the fellowship was icy (or even, non-existent) for a year.





Samson was a judge of Israel, risen up by God ( from the womb ) to be a deliver to Israel from the Philistines ( Samson accomplished that and all the world has no problem knowing this too , and God we See WAS WITH THE JUDGE ALL THE DAYS OF THE JUDGES LIFE (WHICH MEANS NOT HANDED OVER TO SATAN AT ALL AND THAT IS BLASPHEMY OF YOU)...


Judges 2:16 Nevertheless the Lord raised up judges, which delivered them out of the hand of those that spoiled them.

Judges 2:18 And when the Lord raised them up judges, then the Lord was with the judge, and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge: for it repented the Lord because of their groanings by reason of them that oppressed them and vexed them.
 
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The thread is, can salvation be lost, and you are teaching about lost, as we are lost in the law..

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

No one is saved according to the scriptures if they do not believe and follow what God's Word says. Sorry I do not believe you and who has told you that you must be justified by keeping the law? - No one. So if no know has said this to you why are you pretending that they have? Please also re-read post # 359 linked
your trying to claim I believe the exact opposite of what I already told you I believe from the scriptures in the linked post.
 
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A THINKER: "Ponder this ...

If anyone deserved to lose relationship with God for sins committed, it was David, who had a man murdered to marry his wife. But David's relationship with God never evaporated, though the fellowship was icy (or even, non-existent) for a year."





David was punished this way:


2 Samuel 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.



To answer you why David is in the house of Christ, the lineage, it is because the Son of God had to die to put away our sins on His cross..

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
 
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LoveGodsword: So what the conclusion of the matter?

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: FEAR GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.

God’s law (10 commandments) is not abolished they are fulfilled and established in the life of a believer as they believe God’s Word and abide in Christ and walk in God’s Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4."





No one is saved according to the scriptures if they do not believe and follow what God's Word says. Sorry I do not believe you and who has told you that you must be justified by keeping the law? - No one. So if no know has said this to you why are you pretending that they have?





The conclusion of your matter is to keep the law of 10 commandments, but the conclusion of the new test is faith, not your con..


Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
 
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A THINKER: "Ponder this ...

If anyone deserved to lose relationship with God for sins committed, it was David, who had a man murdered to marry his wife. But David's relationship with God never evaporated, though the fellowship was icy (or even, non-existent) for a year."





David was punished this way:


2 Samuel 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.



To answer you why David is in the house of Christ, the lineage, it is because the Son of God had to die to put away our sins on His cross..

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Yes ... David was punished (i.e. chastened) ... but David's relationship with God endured ...
 
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Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Once again your making mute points and arguments no one is arguing about. No one is telling you to be justified by the law as already shown to you in post # 359 linked. Perhaps go and take your time and re-read what was posted to you as it will save you posting things no one is talking about.
 
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Once again your making mute points and arguments no one is arguing about. No one is telling you to be justified by the law as already shown to you in post # 359 linked. Perhaps go and take your time and re-read what was posted to you as it will save you posting things no one is talking about.




Thanks for you repeating yourself.


Faith is what we are saved by, laying our lives down, and keeping your life means you lose it, this is the thread, have a nice night.
 
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