NT support for a third temple
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Ok, so what part of the scriptural timeline do you think we're living in right now? The Millennium?
Also, when was the Great Tribulation period in our history?
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This is the millennium. The tribulation happened in the first century, just like Jesus said it would. And John concurred (of course).
I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
— Revelation 1:9
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First of all, when I click the link to that passage, the word "the" does not appear before the word "tribulation". Even if it did, it's not referring to the Great tribulation.
Second, here are a few verses from Revelation 20 that describes the Millennium, and I've bolded what clearly hasn't happened:
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Third, you claimed the Tribulation happened in the first century. However, it's been 2 millennia since then. So what is it about this time that makes you believe that the current time is THE millennium?
Fourth, how are we reigning with Christ at this time when the kingdoms of the Earth are still reigning, and Christ is not physically here?
Fifth, if Satan is bound as the scripture says he would be during the 1,000 years, how do you explain the wars going on around the world?
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God was not physically present in the first Temple.
His glory was, but there is no mention of the Shekinah glory being in the second Temple. Jesus never went into the Holy of Holies.
Despite your objections; there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem. The faithful people of God will worship and make offerings to God in it.
Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:39-44
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I don’t know how you think those refer to some sort of third temple.
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Faithful believers will worship God and make offerings to Him.
Later the 'beast', Satan will stop that. Daniel 9:27, Revelation 13:5-8
Will these Prophesies be fulfilled in some back alley or in a field?
We Christians always build church's and cathedrals. We will build the most magnificent Temple in Jerusalem. Haggai 2:9
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No nations have been discipled period. Name one nation that promotes the Gospel. Just because a handful of citizens do, does not mean the nation does. Name one nation on earth devoid of a single believer in the Gospel. Either that or be more specific in your assertion.
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The churches and cathedrals built with human hands are just earthly representations of what God Himself will build. He will build a new Jerusalem, and He will reside in it:
Revelation 21:2-3
2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
As for the temple--Revelation 21:22
22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
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You just contradicted yourself.
Rev 21-22 describes the Eternal state.
What interests us now in the period before Jesus Returns.
As Revelation 6:12 to 19:10 prophecy, it will be a very troublous time.
There will be a new Temple in Jerusalem and the 'beast' will desecrate it. Daniel 9:27, 2 Thess 2:4
Jesus will destroy the beasts army and will chain him up, at His Return.
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Your just posting your view and then adding references. I can’t see how that’s supposed to be compelling.
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Now you are getting it. We still have a long way to go. The kingdom here on Earth is still growing as is laid out in the OT and NT.
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The President of the United States is obviously Joe Biden. Is Joe Biden's authority in effect right now? Of course it is, right? And, yet, there are plenty of people who oppose him. But that opposition doesn't take his authority away. Similarly, Christ's authority is in effect now regardless of whether everyone obeys Him or not.
That is talking about God the Father reigning when the Son delivers His kingdom to the Father, which He will do when He returns.
Do you agree that Jesus will return at the end of the age (Matthew 24:3)?
This is what Jesus said will happen at the end of the age:
Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Do you see here that at the end of the age the kingdom is called "the kingdom of their Father"? That is because Jesus will have delivered the kingdom to the Father at that point, as Paul taught here:
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
What Paul taught in the passage above is that all of the dead who belong to Christ will be resurrected when He comes again. It is at that time that the end will come and He hands over the kingdom to God the Father. Paul said that Jesus must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. That means He is reigning now and will continue to reign until He returns to take vengeance on all of His enemies (2 Thess 1:7-9).
Notice that it says the last enemy to be destroyed (or defeated) is death. If you continue reading further in 1 Corinthians 15, you can see when that will occur.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory. 55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”
It is when Christ returns at the last trumpet that death will be defeated and "swallowed up in victory".
It's interesting that you referenced Revelation 11:15-17 but said nothing about verse 18.
Revelation 11:18 The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small—and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”
The seventh trumpet marks the time "for judging the dead". Is the judgment of the dead not described in Revelation 20:11-15? Sure, it is. So, that places the timing of the seventh trumpet as occurring after the thousand years. It also marks the time for rewarding His people and "destroying those who destroy the earth".
Jesus said He is coming "to give every man according as his work shall be". That lines up with what it says will happen at the seventh trumpet because it signals the dead being judged and His people being rewarded.
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Being judged according to what people have done? That's exactly what is described in Matthew 25:31-46, which occurs when Jesus returns, and what we see described here:
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
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