20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

Timtofly said:

If a sun did exist that could put out a cme, that would still be more believable, than for some to declare Christ will not reign on earth for 1000 years in Jerusalem.

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Awwww Timtofly, you know that is not what my post was about now don't you? Have you been watching that movie by Hal Lindsay "The Late Great Planet Earth?" Better to search the scriptures 'cause Jesus never said a word about a new temple nor a 1,000 year millennium did He?

sovereigngrace said:

Who said "Premil" is "scoffing right now"?

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sovereigngrace said:

It is not in any way concentrated upon a supposed group of ‘millennial scoffers’ 1,000 years later. If this is supposed to be a collection of ‘millennial scoffers’ 1,000 years after the second coming, why would they be saying, “Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation”? Such a notion is a complete absurdity

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Pre-mill teach there is a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. If you were not addressing pre-mill, then who were you addressing? Surely you were not claiming amil would still be around at the end of this 1000 years?

No one claimed it was right now. Some one posted a strawman point, and they refuse to acknowledge they did that. Why make up stuff, if you are then going to deny posting this stuff you make up?

Then you complain when we do not address such absurd points. Then argue when we do address such absurd points.

Moriah's Song said:

Awwww Timtofly, you know that is not what my post was about now don't you?

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It seems both of you all were nitpicking each other's points.

You do not accept cme.

Keraz does not accept amil theology.

Most amil on here claim they have their own distinct view of Revelation 20. So I am not even going to be specific. The lack of a future Millennial reign of Christ seems to not be descriptive enough.

I know that I am accused of not understanding amil, and with that I agree. I understand God's Word, and no one can convince me otherwise.

sovereigngrace said:

Premil is a doctrine. How can Premil be mocking right now as you allege? It does not make sense.

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All I was doing is pointing out your absurd point.

Timtofly said:

You do not accept cme.

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CME's have been occurring at least from the 1800's when they first recognized their existence. I don't disagree with their existence - only that they are being used unnecessarily by connecting them to scripture as a way to promote an agenda and setting dates and time of day that they will occur (or so it is claimed) of which believers will not be on earth to have to find a "cave" to run to. Actually, there are NO caves within my vicinity to run to and my house will burn down before I can hide in my bathtub even if I were here nor do I put my trust in a "false messengers" that can't interpret plain and straightforward scripture.

BTW I added to my last post.

Moriah's Song said:

CME's have been occurring at least from the 1800's when they first recognized their existence. I don't disagree with their existence - only that they are being used unnecessarily by connecting them to scripture as a way to promote an agenda and setting dates and time of day that they will occur (or so it is claimed) of which believers will not be on earth to have to find a "cave" to run to. Actually, there are NO caves within my vicinity to run to and my house will burn down before I can hide in my bathtub even if I were here nor do I put my trust in a "false messengers" that can't interpret plain and straightforward scripture.

BTW I added to my last post.

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Why would you be hiding from God at the Second Coming?

I don't accept cme's period.

Some use physical science to point out what people physically know. You seem to relate on some level, but I don't think Keraz is date setting. No one can date set a CME even if they were real.

No one is supposed to be warned.

Yet John in Revelation 6:16 does indicate many hiding out under mountains and rocks. Now what John meant by rocks could mean anything. But probably not the first image that comes to mind.

What rock do you know of that a normal person can hide under? If a rock is big enough to hide under, what is holding that rock up, giving one the ability to hide under? Nothing makes sense with a literal "rock". Hiding does not seem to indicate protection from the fire. Hiding in this case is after the fact, trying to get away from seeing God and the Lamb. So under rubble and in mountains if mountains are closer than rubble.

Notwithstanding, I am sure many will be attempting to hide beforehand. The problem is, no one knows when to start this beforehand procedure. Satan and science may predict in their virtual way a CME. Unless God is not using a CME because they literally do not exist. How much faith do you have in science?

Why the thought process that the earth is no longer around? There literally is no where to hide in the Amil paradigm. What mountains and rocks does John refer to if they no longer exist? That is more of a conundrum than a CME. Spiritual rocks and mountains existing in the mind is the same as cme's existing in the mind. Neither are harmful nor helpful for believers.

Moriah's Song said:

BTW I added to my last post.

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Why change the subject?

I have watched nearly hundreds of aspects of what current humanity thinks will soon happen. It is quite a fascinating look into the human psyche. Why would there be one attempt to rationalize an end time scenario, much less hundreds of different ways? If you claim it is just false teaching and Satan who is behind all of it, that is another interesting aspect. Has Satan been trying to lessen the impact for years? John already had troublesome detail in the first century. The Hebrews had already felt the wrath of God for a thousand years prior to the first century? Why spend a dime on any production that tries to explain any end of the world apocalyptic narrative? Is it just merely entertaining?

If Satan is trying to steal all the thunder of the Second Coming, he is not very bright. The book of Revelation already points out that many humans are more in awe of him than God. Perhaps confusion is the strategy? The more options there are, the more confused people will be in knowing the truth?

sovereigngrace said:

It is very hard to understand your posts. That is why I often ignore them. Why can you not speak plainly?

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Speaking plainly is not going to help the OP out one bit. Not one of the 20 reasons can be reasonable nor valid. Is that plain enough?

Timtofly said:

Not one of the 20 reasons can be reasonable nor valid.

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I disagree with that statement Timtofly. It is a good thread and one that needed to be discussed because Amil is the only Biblical doctrine that can be legitimately taken from Jesus Himself while he was on earth and later, the Apostles including Luke and Mark who were not apostles. It is unfortunate that this thread has been abused by an agenda minded very negative individual that used it to promote a cause that has no effect on unbelievers.

Moriah's Song said:

CME's have been occurring at least from the 1800's when they first recognized their existence. I don't disagree with their existence - only that they are being used unnecessarily by connecting them to scripture as a way to promote an agenda and setting dates and time of day that they will occur (or so it is claimed) of which believers will not be on earth to have to find a "cave" to run to. Actually, there are NO caves within my vicinity to run to and my house will burn down before I can hide in my bathtub even if I were here nor do I put my trust in a "false messengers" that can't interpret plain and straightforward scripture.

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Well; I'm glad that at least you know there are such things as Coronal Mass Ejections.
They do happen and those who study them, warn that a big earth directed CME could devastate the world.
God will use His creation to carry out His wrath against a civilization that rejects Him. As He did in the days of Noah.

Revelation 6:15-17, Isaiah 2:21, say people will hide when the Lord strikes the earth with His fiery wrath.
But we Christians are told to stand firm in our faith and to call upon the Name of the Lord for His protection. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
He WILL protect His own: Isaiah 41:13, Isaiah 43:2, 2 Peter 2:9, +

sovereigngrace said:

Premil is totally preoccupied

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Did you take a poll to see the totality of this preoccupation?

How is this a valid point if it is not even true?

sovereigngrace said:

If you would actually start addressing these points instead of skipping around them then I might take your posts more serious.

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That was your point. Did you take a poll to see how preoccupied some are with Revelation 20? Is this not a personal opinion?

Is this a valid point:

Amil is totally preoccupied with objecting to a future physical kingdom on earth.

If your point is not that "premil is totally preoccupied", then state the correct point to defend. If you want each point addressed, then let's address each point.

sovereigngrace said:

What i stated is fact! I stand over it!

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You have no scientific statistical proof in your alledged "statement of fact". You have no quotes. You have no evidence period. Point 1 is just personal opinion. In fact you state it knowing full well it was your own opinion at one time. Stating your own opinion as fact is not a fact. No matter how much you stand on your own opinion. You have claimed that personal opinion are not facts, no? Can we start calling personal opinions, facts?

Bible prophecy about the Millennium reign of King Jesus:

Isaiah 33:17-24 Your eyes will see a King in his glory and view a Land that stretches into the distance. Numbers 24:15-19

You will call to mind what you once feared. Where are they now? Those barbarous people whose speech you could not understand. Psalms 58:10-11, Psalms 37:8-15

Look upon Zion, Jerusalem, city of sacred festivals. A secure abode, never again to be moved. Amos 9:13-15

There the Lord will be in His majesty, a peaceful place. A place of broad rivers, but no ships will sail there.

The Lord is our judge and lawgiver. He is our King who will save us. Zechariah 8:7-8

Your rigging hangs loose, the mast is not secure and your sails are not set. Luke 12:35-36. Then all will take a share in the spoils. Zechariah 9:17

No one living in Zion will get sick and the sins of the people will be pardoned. Psalms 126:1-3
Ref: REB some verses abridged