Killed it? No. Impaired it for now? I'd sadly say, yes.
I think the idea that I'm something of a dullard who is easily duped by propaganda isn't exactly something that calls me here like a siren's song, let's just say that. What bothers me is that you don't afford me the credit of knowing or thinking something on my own. It must be that gurney was propagandized, poor chap. That does bug me.
In 1981, Ivermectin came to the fore and it was primarily a veterinary medicine. That is fairly indisputable. About five years after its inception, it was being used all over America for horses, for cattle, and for sheep mostly. Around 1987-88, it became something to be explored in humans, absolutely. But what I was alluding to, and you automatically assumed me to be foolishly broad-brushing Ivermectin, was that large numbers of Americans are using VETERINARY USE Ivermectin! My wife has actually seen this, Rus. But, my observation in TAW lately is that my wife's experience means absolutely jack squat to 99% of the posters in here. Her hospital time, her clinical hours, the thousands of patients she saw during the COVID height of infection all the way to today is largely not taken seriously or valued in here. The tone in here is that vaccinated posters are suckers to be pitied. Masked parishioners were blasphemers listening to the harlot of Babylon. That makes it tough on folks like myself. My wife has seen with her own eyes patients going over the border to Mexico and getting veterinarians to give them animal Ivermectin pills and these folks are becoming very very sick. The pills for animals are in very large doses. The hapless recipient of these pills hears on InfoWars that Ivermectin, the horse dewormer, is the miracle drug for COVID. He runs out, looks for it at the local feed store or veterinarian, or goes to TJ, and he takes stuff made for a mule. He then is sicker than before. That's what I'm talking about.
The population control approach makes little sense. Let's follow the logic here. Obviously these poor slobs who are dumb enough to take this toxic and dangerous vaccine are mostly liberals. They're sheep. They're fools. Ok, so that's proposition one that is implied here if not totally explicit. So, the second proposition is that globalism relies on foolish sheep who do what they're told. Marxism and globalism need zombies who are dumb enough to follow the herd. If the braintrusts at globalism headquarters kill off the foolhardy sheep with the awful Pfizer and Moderna time bombs, they kill off the 'good soldiers' who will spread their false gospel. The only people who will survive are the wise anti-vaxxers who embrace liberty and love freedom and the Western way of life. Final result: dead minions of mindless lefties, a nation full of brave antivaxxers to challenge and potentially topple the regime. That would be dumber than a bag of dirt to employ such logic one would think. But I hear this right and left---population control. They want us dead, man. They want us dead! Well, if you look at the statistics, it's not doing a very good job of nuking the public. Personally, I know hundreds of vaccinated people. I have yet to meet a person who died from vaccination. But I have met piles of people dead from COVID. I would also counter your point about getting rid of the lazy, worthless slobs as being counter to the reality we're seeing. Democrats LOVE government dependence, Rus. You know that. I know that. They are driven to a level of lust over getting people hooked on unemployment, medicaid, SNAP food stamps, and a host of other government programs. It was painfully obvious during the entire pandemic period, especially the lock-down phase, that Biden and liberal morons like Governor Hair Gel here in California were full of GLEE at the prospect of making people stop working, tune out, and stay home with a type of "universal income" kind of thing. Biden and his ilk love removing industry and replacing it with sloth and dependence. Power comes from dependence, Rus. And the more homeless, the more drug-addicted, the more unemployed, the more disabled, the more dependent Americans become, the better things are for government expansion and growth overall. Yes, the liberals definitely don't want you to live TOOOOO long, because then you bankrupt social security and medicare. Correct. But they want you on the government dole as soon as humanly possible. Liberals hate Western civilization. They want to bring it down and replace it with Marxism. To do that, you need to bankrupt a nation and bring it to its knees. You need Americans at poverty level, sick, weak, and needy. And things are headed in that general direction it seems! So, based on how I see this, I don't see the Left wanting to kill us all off. I see them wanting us all dependent. The vaccine killing us off would not speed up their goals. And to your point, I can't for the life of me find where, but a poster in here did mention killing humanity off as part of the vaccine goal. I just can't find it. And I hear that regularly! Half of the kids in my class are being told that by their parents. I know teachers who believe it firmly.
Yes, I do find the videos from PV to be compelling. I never said otherwise. I think there is massive money to be made. I am also clear on here as being opposed to mandates for any age. We are free agents. In retrospect, I likely would not have vaccinated my kids, but at the time the pandemic was absolutely spiraling out of control here in my county. We were in the purple and the hospitals at capacity. My town and county were far more cursed with this scourge than other parts of Cali. It was horrendous. However, we did get them vaccinated. They were and remain just fine. They've been to the doctor several times since, and all is well. Would I do it again? No. I have zero plans for a booster. Not interested. But the ideas put out there about the vaccine making you magnetic, there are microchips in the serum designed to turn us into 5g drones to be controlled by Jews in outer space, all these nutty ideas, I find them as absurd and intellectually stunted as the people who are hysterically pro-vax and want to force needles into arms in a free country. But, again, the PV videos are very interesting and sad indeed.
There is a lot that I see as reasonable here. And since essentially no one here is suggesting that anyone wishes to “kill off the world”, it’s not necessary to take a stand against that, any more than one need take a stand against flying spaghetti monsters. And I think it understandable that you and many people have gotten the vaccine from one pharma company or another. Two points that run against yours: 1) it is not unreasonable to think that some planners might actually want to rid themselves of a large portion of people who no longer work, and take pensions or social security from the government. The idea of population control, Malthus’s legacy, is EXTREMELY popular and has a lot of coinage in the modern world. In a world that has begun to tolerate assisted suicide, people killing themselves because their lives have become a nuisance to themselves, it is an extremely short step to advocate, if only in secret, killing them because they are a nuisance to others.
2) As others have pointed out, ivermectin has had widespread use in humans. To speak of its use among horses is irrelevant if it has done real good among humans, and indicative of accepting a propagandic narrative rather than considering that fact.
And I think, in the interests of honesty, it is worth considering the revelations in the PV videos I linked to above; they are from people inside the industry and government who have been promoting these things, and I actually find #4 the most disturbing, as it is the most indicative of systematic concealment of truth. If they are all signing non-disclosures regarding these things, then obviously, there must be something to hide, not on a local level, but globally.
Hoping that all of this has not killed our online comeradery...
