Can Salvation be lost?

BNR32FAN said:

Jesus specifically stated in John 15:2 “The Father cuts of every branch in Me that beareth not fruit”. He also gave a similar message in Luke 13:6-9.

“And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’ And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’ ””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:6-9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

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I don't know. Is it God cutting us off, or more of God allowing us to fall off? In the story of the pharaoh it says God hardened the pharaoh's heart, even it was his own doing.

Hammster said:

Don’t let him scare you into works. The Father prunes so that we will produce more fruit. If there’s no fruit, it’s because we were never in Him. There are lots of people in the church like that.

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That there are alot of people in church that aren't saved is a scary and sad thought.

zoidar said:

That there are alot of people in church that aren't saved is a scary thought.

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Mhm...especially since so many pulpits get caught up in doctrinal minutiae, moralizing, and attempts to be "relevant," rather than simply preaching the incarnation, death, and resurrection. Even questions like this one, while important for discussion, far too often serve to distract from the basic preaching of the gospel because people are so worried about minor differences that the gospel gets pushed aside in disagreement.

Trivalee said:

There are differing views on salvation.

Some Christians believe that once saved, one cannot lose salvation. IOW, they believe that eternal life is guaranteed. On the flip side, there are those that believe that even though we are saved, we still have the risk of losing our and eternal life if we fail to abide in Christ until the end of our mortal life.

What is your position on this topic? Kindly support your case with relevant scriptures.

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Only Christ knows, man can't tell. I personally believe when saved/born again/accepting Christ with a true and humble heart, one can't loose their salvation, but they can loose their true love/joy they once had with Christ by many methods- be it the trappings of this world, not repenting from your sins/convictions that Christ embeds into your heart through sanctification, or relying too on ones culture/tradition.

Its not about how good you think you should be for Christ, its about what Christ means to you. Does he mean everything, does he bring real joy into your heart?

Romans 14 is a chapter close to my heart at present. Many Christians are obsessed with the minor issues in Christianity and blow them out of proportion. They major in minor issues, their focus is on the small moat in their brother or sisters eye, rather than the big leavened beam of pride, high-minded grandeur, old traditions and baggage in their own eye.

A very grave sin in the sight of Christ.

Hammster said:

Don’t let him scare you into works. The Father prunes so that we will produce more fruit. If there’s no fruit, it’s because we were never in Him. There are lots of people in the church like that.

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Jesus specifically said they were in Him. So your interpretation is a direct contradiction to what He specifically stated.

zoidar said:

That there are alot of people in church that aren't saved is a scary and sad thought.

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Indeed but a true one according to the scriptures. *see Matthew 22:14; Matthew 7:13-14; Matthew 7:21-23; Revelation 12:17. It is only those who believe and follow God's Word to the end that receive eternal life according to the scriptures (Hebrews 3:6; Hebrews 3:14; Matthew 24:12-14; Matthew 10:22; Mark 13:13; Colossians 1:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Peter 4:18; Hebrews 6:4-8; Hebrews 10:26-39; Revelation 2:26). Hebrews 3 is actually another warning that links with Hebrews 6:4-8 and Hebrews 10:26-39 showing that believers can depart the faith into unbelief and sin. We are warned there to not turn away from the living God, the epistle exhorts (Hebrews 3:12). Hold your faith in Christ firmly to the end (Hebrews 3:14). Do not harden your hearts (3:15). We cannot please God if we do not have faith (Hebrews 3:19; 11:6). According to the scriptures Gods sheep are only those who hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do no hear and follow are not God's sheep according to the scriptures. *John 10:26-27 and therefore do not receive His gift of eternal life.

GOD'S SALVATION IS CONDITIONAL ON BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS...

According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. This is because we are all sinners in need of God' grace and salvation (Romans 3:9-23). Obedience to God's law therefore is not how we are saved it is the fruit of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit (obedience to Gods' Word) it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10 which is God's new covenant promise to all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says *see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27). According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. According to the scriptures Gods sheep are only those who hear His voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do no hear and follow are not God's sheep according to the scriptures. *John 10:26-27.

God bless

zoidar said:

That there are alot of people in church that aren't saved is a scary and sad thought.

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Well, pray for God’s mercy on all of us. That is the best we can do.

While salvation and the loss thereof may exist as potentialities, none can deliver out of God's hand, for better or for worse. If it were not so, there would be no covenant with God, and little value to the sacraments.

Hammster said:

What will that accomplish?

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Well, if we look at the New Testament, we see that our Lord responds favorably to prayers for his mercy.

Hammster said:

Then all should be saved.

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All don't pray for mercy ... and God never usurps the true desire of own's heart (in regard to relationship with Him) ...

Thinker: "All don't pray for mercy ... and God never usurps the true desire of own's heart (in regard to relationship with Him) "





It is easy to know the answer for all things you guys are debating, it is called the Spirit. It answers us all things, teaches us all things, it is peace and is full of good fruits.

Let me answer first the thread title, can salvation be lost ?

Salvation has to be found first before it is lost. So many seeking to enter and being unable, maybe because they do as told, walk on the wide path to destruction, an easy one where you need only do whatever you want, please yourself and not fear a bad outcome. I wont mention more, it is a vain conversation for the vain seekers.

Prayers are done by the Son in man, that is ow and who the father hears, His own will in us, doing what He will do. ( this is also a compassion Spirit in man and they only know mercy now)


James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.



Neither can law be taught, nor faith, nor anything, and as one said, the covenant with God, sees to suggest none can be lost. All this tells us is God makes the covenant an man can make nothing with anyone, ( not even with himself, which shows how foolish they think) and what is not lost of people is pride, and what never was in the Lord, as in the Lord is lowliness, and humility...



Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

prophecy_uk said:

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

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prophecy_uk said:

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

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Amen ...

A Thinker: "Amen"


Amen is the name of the Lord, and the Lord does not hold them guiltless who takes His name in vain...


Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Deuteronomy 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Hammster said:

Then all should be saved.

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We don't know that God will save all we pray for, yet we pray and hope. I always pray for my family, relatives and friends. I have seen one of them come to faith and that is a testimony by itself.

prophecy_uk said:

A Thinker: "Amen"


Amen is the name of the Lord, and the Lord does not hold them guiltless who takes His name in vain...


Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Deuteronomy 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

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Why such negativity ?

Putting aside the issue of the Lord's name, I simply affirmed your response ...