IS ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT GOD'S CHURCH?

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Galatians 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female


There is male and female, there is Jew and Gentile, and there was yet as servants, and all are still one in Christ....


1 Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

1 Corinthians 7:21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

According to the scripture all believers are now one in Christ and God's Israel are all those who have been born again to believe what Gods' Word says.
 
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LoveGodsword: "According to the scripture all believers are now one in Christ and God's Israel are all those who have been born again to believe what Gods' Word says."





All are one, yet have different roles, you want to have law, then have law, the woman still has to do different, as says the law...



1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.




For Jews, they were given the sabbath, so it is in their tradition, but for others, it was never given, and never taught. If God wanted it taught, it would have been, and there would be multiple occasions of believers 9 first called Christians at Antioch) observing sabbath, sadly there is no such example, so all we can do is be fully persuaded in our own mind, not brought into bondage again, and free in the liberty Christ died for.



We are not a debtor to do the whole law, but you are LoveGodsword, you keep sabbath, and keep laws on which is clean and unclean to eat, or vegetarian, now go and keep the whole law in debt, against the word of liberty and faith of Christ.


Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
 
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LoveGodsword: "According to the scripture all believers are now one in Christ and God's Israel are all those who have been born again to believe what Gods' Word says."





All are one, yet have different roles, you want to have law, then have law, the woman still has to do different, as says the law...



1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.




For Jews, they were given the sabbath, so it is in their tradition, but for others, it was never given, and never taught. If God wanted it taught, it would have been, and there would be multiple occasions of believers 9 first called Christians at Antioch) observing sabbath, sadly there is no such example, so all we can do is be fully persuaded in our own mind, not brought into bondage again, and free in the liberty Christ died for.



We are not a debtor to do the whole law, but you are LoveGodsword, you keep sabbath, and keep laws on which is clean and unclean to eat, or vegetarian, now go and keep the whole law in debt, against the word of liberty and faith of Christ.


Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

We are in the new covenant now not the old. Gods' Israel in the new covenant are no longer only those who are born of the flesh of the seek of Abraham but are now all those who have been born again by the Spirit into Gods new covenant promise.

Galatians 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

Romans 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

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Love: "We are in the new covenant now not the old."






That is right, yet you teach old testament laws, such as sabbath keeping, and clean and unclean for what to eat. Your whole doctrine is keeping law, and your whole religion ( a divided sect of Christianity when we are forbidden to have divisions) is a religion that is like a diluted form of Judaism, but is still not faith, or would know, let every man be fully persuaded, and nothing is unclean of itself..



Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


1 Timothy 4:Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.




"When Did Adventists Stop Eating Unclean Meat?
In 1863 Ellen White had a vision in which God gave her the health reform message. Part of this message was that Adventists should give up eating pork because it would cause health issues including cancer.

For many years the argument against eating pork was purely for health reasons and had nothing to do with the unclean meats of the Bible.

Overtime other (unclean) meats were pulled into this category by various SDA members. Ellen White eventually made some connection to the Biblical health laws saying that the difference “between articles of food as clean and unclean” was not “merely ceremonial and arbitrary regulation, but was based upon sanitary principles.” She also stated that the Jewish people had such great health due to their practice of abstaining from unclean foods."
 
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That is right, yet you teach old testament laws, such as sabbath keeping, and clean and unclean for what to eat. Your whole doctrine is keeping law, and your whole religion ( a divided sect of Christianity when we are forbidden to have divisions) is a religion that is like a diluted form of Judaism, but is still not faith, or would know, let every man be fully persuaded, and nothing is unclean of itself..

Not really dear friend. Gods' Sabbath as well as all of God's 10 commandments have the same role they always had in the new covenant and according to the new covenant scriptures that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and according to James if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11. Of course this includes God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. So there is no confusion here according to the scriptures, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9 but Gods grace is so we can be obedient to the faith *Romans 1:5. Obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. We should be careful therefore to believe and follow what Gods' Word says (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29).

Take Care.
 
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Loves: "Gods' Sabbath as well as all of God's 10 commandments have the same role they always had in the new covenant and according to the new covenant scriptures that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 "




Sorry that is your teaching, your confusion alone, hence why the world did not take up your seventh day law.

Romans 3 and 7 speaks of the uncircumcision and the circumcision, as there are two distinctions and to them the sabbath was given ( the circumcision) no such thing is given to the uncircumcision ( neither circumcision also)

Then to add to Gods word, because it is not taught in the new testament, again is your mistake alone, how much Jesus would have taught about Sabbath keeping, when He was constantly challenged by the Pharisees. But He did not show the keeping of it as importance, it was the Pharisees who did that, in this way, of tithes, and not in mercy and love and faith, which are the greater matters of the law and tithing and sabbath keeping of the very same hypocritical Pharisees is all they care about, ( now it is the law of Christ which is to bear one another's burdens and not being blind guides which strain at a gnat and swallow a camel)..


Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Luke 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
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Loves: "Gods' Sabbath as well as all of God's 10 commandments have the same role they always had in the new covenant and according to the new covenant scriptures that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 "




Sorry that is your teaching, your confusion alone, hence why the world did not take up your seventh day law.

Romans 3 and 7 speaks of the uncircumcision and the circumcision, as there are two distinctions and to them the sabbath was given ( the circumcision) no such thing is given to the uncircumcision ( neither circumcision also)

Then to add to Gods word, because it is not taught in the new testament, again is your mistake alone, how much Jesus would have taught about Sabbath keeping, when He was constantly challenged by the Pharisees. But He did not show the keeping of it as importance, it was the Pharisees who did that, in this way, of tithes, and not in mercy and love and faith, which are the greater matters of the law and tithing and sabbath keeping of the very same hypocritical Pharisees is all they care about, ( now it is the law of Christ which is to bear one another's burdens and not being blind guides which strain at a gnat and swallow a camel)..


Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Luke 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Please forgive me but I do not believe you. The scriptures showing why are provided in the OP.

Take Care :wave:
 
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Israel is the gospel of the circumcision, and we are still one under Christ, the very same as servants as still servants, are yet one in Christ, and again as women, are yet women, yet all are one in Christ.

Israel is not the gospel of the circumcision. The name Israel is a name give by God to those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. The Gospel (good news) is every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *Matthew 4:23; 9:35; 24:14; Mark 1:1; 14-15; Matthew 4:4 etc. In the new covenant, he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God *Romans 2:28-29. No one is "in Christ" if they do not believe and follow what Gods' Word says.

Take Care.
 
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When I stated "Paul did not state in Ephesians 2 that we gentiles are now also under the covenant God made with Israel", I included the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:8 as well, which is also made with Israel.

I have already shown how Paul meant it, by the Scripture.
 
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Before Israel and Judah separated, they were all Hebrews who went peacefully into Egypt, and who God brought out of Egypt.

Notice here immediately the purpose, and the whole point everybody is far from, it is that God is everything, otherwise God would have never called His people out of Egypt.

We know very well how those people behaved in the wilderness, so that God let die all that were of war, and all that were disobedient to God, which was all the generation completely.

Same happened again, the Hebrews once in the promised land, that even Moses did not get to step into, only to see the land that Abraham was promised and walked up and down in, the people went in and corrupted their way until all exiled, and they divided their nation by war and disagreement.

You must really struggle with this verse then, since you like to push an anti-war message there that's not really in the Scriptures...

Ex 15:3
3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is His name.
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Deut 20:16-18
16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:


17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:


18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.
KJV
 
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When I stated "Paul did not state in Ephesians 2 that we gentiles are now also under the covenant God made with Israel", I included the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:8 as well, which is also made with Israel.

And I tried... to get you to look deeper in Galatians 3 and Romans 4 by Apostle Paul. It's because there Paul showed that the Promise God first gave to Abraham was... The Gospel Promise by Faith.

This is why Paul then said all those of Faith have become the "children of Abraham", and Paul also said those in Christ INHERIT with faithful Abraham. You'll find that written in Galatians 3 and Romans 4.
 
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And I tried... to get you to look deeper in Galatians 3 and Romans 4 by Apostle Paul. It's because there Paul showed that the Promise God first gave to Abraham was... The Gospel Promise by Faith.

This is why Paul then said all those of Faith have become the "children of Abraham", and Paul also said those in Christ INHERIT with faithful Abraham. You'll find that written in Galatians 3 and Romans 4.

Yes, we inherit righteousness by faith alone, as Abraham did. That is what Gal 3 and Romans 4:5 stated.

That does not mean we are also under the New Covenant. The New Covenant is more than just salvation.
 
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Prophecy: We know very well how those people behaved in the wilderness, so that God let die all that were of war, and all that were disobedient to God, which was all the generation completely.



Davy; "You must really struggle with this verse then, since you like to push an anti-war message there that's not really in the Scriptures"




Numbers 14:35 I the Lord have said, I will surely do it unto all this evil congregation, that are gathered together against me: in this wilderness they shall be consumed, and there they shall die.

Deuteronomy 2:14 And the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea, until we were come over the brook Zered, was thirty and eight years; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the Lord sware unto them.
15 For indeed the hand of the Lord was against them, to destroy them from among the host, until they were consumed.
16 So it came to pass, when all the men of war were consumed and dead from among the people,

Joshua 5:6 For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people that were men of war, which came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they obeyed not the voice of the Lord: unto whom the Lord sware that he would not shew them the land, which the Lord sware unto their fathers that he would give us, a land that floweth with milk and honey.




Now, all is by faith of Jesus Christ, which is to be holy and harmless, undefiled and separate from sinners..



Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Hebrews 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
 
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Gods arm was outstretched to a disobedient and gainsaying people.....





Isaiah 65: I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;


Romans 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.




God did not destroy all, as the Messiah is coming to inherit the mountains of Israel...


Isaiah 65:8 Thus saith the Lord, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.




The elect inherit it, and the Lords servants serve Him there.

Israel leaves their name for a curse unto the Lords chosen, as God would slay hem and call His servants by another name ( first called Christians in Antioch)

They then bless themselves in the God of truth ( through the Spirit of truth being given to them/new covenant)

This is the new earth and Heavens the Lord creates, wherein dwells righteousness..




Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.





The earth then through Christ becomes full of the knowledge of the Lord, which is peace in all His holy mountain, no hurt or destroying in all His holy mountain. as the serpent eats dust...



Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.





Now in Gods new earth, the ones who seek, seek for where righteousness dwells therein, as the former is passed away ( unrighteousness)..




2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
 
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Leavened: "God is still able to outstretch his hand until his son Christ Jesus comes back for both Jew and Gentile. Keep believing brother.

Isaiah 9:21"





God showed His arm was to a prideful people and how it ended.

God showed how His arm then goes out to those who swear in the God of truth ( no longer in stiffnecked and pridefulness) and they will not do iniquity any more s they are an afflicted poor people ( blessed are the poor in Spirit) and they no longer can speak lies or have a deceitful tongue, ( as they are given the Spirit of truth)...


Zephaniah 3:11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.
12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord.
13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

Malachi 3:
3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness.
4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord, as in the days of old, and as in former years.
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And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.

Matthew 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 
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God cannot lie, God can only do what was told to be done, and it was done, and it cant be altered, added to or taken away from, even though the devils attempts will stop soon, and they are stopped...




Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Ecclesiastes 3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 
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God showed His arm was to a prideful people and how it ended.

brother, many Jews and Gentiles have came to Christ and accepted him as their saviour after Paul and other Christians witnessed to the Gentiles. The gospel is being spread today all around the globe, Please don't fall into the mistake the gospel is for Jews only or Gentiles only. Such leaven isn't in scripture, even in the OT. Abraham, Rahab, Ruth and many others were Gentile converts to Christ.

God Bless
 
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