NT support for a third temple

keras · Oct 8, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
In what way would the third temple, its inner halls, and artifefacts be a holy place? What would be holy about it?

God's Shekinah Glory will come into the new Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-4

Hammster · Oct 8, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Yes, all the time.
A kingdom can be built up without actually taking power and reigning. It's currently in the process of being built.

Another verse I thought of that illustrates that Christ's kingdom isn't here and isn't in power yet. It was what the thief on the cross said to Jesus:

Luke 23:42
And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!”

This again indicates that Christ's kingdom is still not in power.

So it’s growing apart from Christ’s authority?

I’ll stick with Christ’s words here.

and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
— Mark 1:15

Aldebaran · Oct 8, 2021

Hammster said:
So it’s growing apart from Christ’s authority?

I’ll stick with Christ’s words here.

and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
— Mark 1:15

Yes, the kingdom of God is at hand, but not reigning on Earth.
Take a look at the world right now. Who's kingdom is reigning? It won't be until after the 7th Trumpet spoken of in Rev. 11:15 that the kingdom of the world becomes the kingdom of the Lord.

"Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

This is what scripture specifically says about when Christ's kingdom reigns on Earth. Since the 7th trumpet hasn't sounded yet, Christ's kingdom isn't reigning on Earth yet.

Timtofly · Oct 8, 2021

Hammster said:
I guess I should have posted the whole passage.

Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw. All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?” But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.” And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges. But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
— Matthew 12:22-28

His point was that because He cast out demons, the kingdom of God had come upon them.

I read the whole passage, but thanks. So if Caiaphus had done the same, the kingdom of God would have come upon them? My point was that God did it through Jesus Christ as God. Jesus being physically on earth doing the act was the kingdom of God at that point in time.

At the Second Coming Jesus Christ will bring the kingdom of God by physically being back on earth again.

Aldebaran · Oct 9, 2021

Timtofly said:
I read the whole passage, but thanks. So if Caiaphus had done the same, the kingdom of God would have come upon them? My point was that God did it through Jesus Christ as God. Jesus being physically on earth doing the act was the kingdom of God at that point in time.

At the Second Coming Jesus Christ will bring the kingdom of God by physically being back on earth again.

That's also the time when He will rule and reign AS king. That's what kings do.

Aldebaran · Oct 9, 2021

drwho42 said:

This doesn't relate to the thread topic.

Hammster · Oct 9, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Yes, the kingdom of God is at hand, but not reigning on Earth.
Take a look at the world right now. Who's kingdom is reigning? It won't be until after the 7th Trumpet spoken of in Rev. 11:15 that the kingdom of the world becomes the kingdom of the Lord.

"Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

This is what scripture specifically says about when Christ's kingdom reigns on Earth. Since the 7th trumpet hasn't sounded yet, Christ's kingdom isn't reigning on Earth yet.

It looks to me that you are walking by sight and not by faith. I’ll trust that Christ is King because that’s what scripture says. There’s an entire book that shows that God always advances even when it appears that things are going wrong. The greatest example of this is the cross.

And the 7th trumpet has already blown.

Hammster · Oct 9, 2021

Timtofly said:
I read the whole passage, but thanks. So if Caiaphus had done the same, the kingdom of God would have come upon them? My point was that God did it through Jesus Christ as God. Jesus being physically on earth doing the act was the kingdom of God at that point in time.

At the Second Coming Jesus Christ will bring the kingdom of God by physically being back on earth again.

It’s already here. All authority has be given to Him on Heaven and Earth. Because of that, we are to make disciples of all nations. If He’s not king, then on whose authority arc we to take over nations? Satan’s?

Hammster · Oct 9, 2021

Aldebaran said:
That's also the time when He will rule and reign AS king. That's what kings do.

And that’s what He’s doing.

Timtofly · Oct 9, 2021

Hammster said:
It’s already here. All authority has be given to Him on Heaven and Earth. Because of that, we are to make disciples of all nations. If He’s not king, then on whose authority arc we to take over nations? Satan’s?

The unobserved kingdom is recruiting ranks on earth. Only when the Prince is physically on the earth, will the kingdom be physically on the earth. We are not to "take over" nations. We are to recruit souls for Paradise. Only the angels at the Second Coming will gather an earthly kingdom of souls to reign on earth.

God can heal a nation like He did for Nineveh.

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

But that takes people willing to give up sin, and the desires of the flesh. Not necessarily forcing other humans against their wills.

Hammster · Oct 9, 2021

Timtofly said:
The unobserved kingdom is recruiting ranks on earth. Only when the Prince is physically on the earth, will the kingdom be physically on the earth. We are not to "take over" nations. We are to recruit souls for Paradise. Only the angels at the Second Coming will gather an earthly kingdom of souls to reign on earth.

God can heal a nation like He did for Nineveh.

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

But that takes people willing to give up sin, and the desires of the flesh. Not necessarily forcing other humans against their wills.

Now you’re just making stuff up and pulling verses out of context.

I can’t speak for you, but I am definitely in His kingdom. I know because I’ve been born again.

ViaCrucis · Oct 9, 2021

keras said:
God's Shekinah Glory will come into the new Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-4

One greater than Moses and Solomon has already come, His name is Jesus Christ the Son of God.

"I tell you, something greater than the temple is here." - Matthew 12:6

"For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here." - Matthew 12:40-42

"So the Jews said to him, 'What sign do you show us for doing these things?' Jesus answered them, 'Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.' The Jews then said, 'It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?' But he was speaking about the temple of his body. When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken." - John 2:18-22

-CryptoLutheran

Hammster · Oct 9, 2021

keras said:
God's Shekinah Glory will come into the new Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-4

Was that written prior to the second Temple?

Timtofly · Oct 9, 2021

Hammster said:
Now you’re just making stuff up and pulling verses out of context.

I can’t speak for you, but I am definitely in His kingdom. I know because I’ve been born again.

You are the one who claimed:

Hammster said:
we to take over nations

Was I to take that as you just making stuff up?

An unobservable kingdom, literally means unobserved. I never said you could not be in this unobserved kingdom.

Last time I checked "a nation" was physical, not an exercise in symbolic imagery without a physical explanation.

Hammster · Oct 9, 2021

Timtofly said:
You are the one who claimed:

Was I to take that as you just making stuff up?

An unobservable kingdom, literally means unobserved. I never said you could not be in this unobserved kingdom.

Last time I checked "a nation" was physical, not an exercise in symbolic imagery without a physical explanation.

I’m just following what Jesus said when He said to make disciples of every nation. I take that at face value.

Timtofly · Oct 9, 2021

Hammster said:
I’m just following what Jesus said when He said to make disciples of every nation. I take that at face value.

And that really has nothing to do with any point about a Second Coming, nor any event in the first century.

That is the only practical command left by Jesus to the church.

Aldebaran · Oct 9, 2021

Hammster said:
And that’s what He’s doing.

Then is Satan already bound as well? And the Antichrist, has he already been defeated and his kingdom destroyed? And has the Great Tribulation already come and gone?
All these things take place before Christ returns as King of Kings and rules on the earth.

keras · Oct 9, 2021

Hammster said:
Was that written prior to the second Temple?

It was, but the only time that it could be said God's glory went into the 2nd Temple, was when Jesus was in it.
The context of Ezekiel 43 proves the coming of the Shekinah glory of God, does not pertain to the Temple built by Nehemiah, or rebuilt by Herod.

Hammster · Oct 9, 2021

Timtofly said:
And that really has nothing to do with any point about a Second Coming, nor any event in the first century.

That is the only practical command left by Jesus to the church.

It does have to do with growing His kingdom until it fills the whole earth.

Hammster · Oct 9, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Then is Satan already bound as well? And the Antichrist, has he already been defeated and his kingdom destroyed? And has the Great Tribulation already come and gone?
All these things take place before Christ returns as King of Kings and rules on the earth.

Yes.
That part isn’t in scripture.
Yes.

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