Jesus claimed He came to fulfill the Law, Did He?

klutedavid said:

I am not under the law, I was not born under the law.

I am not subject to the condemnation or the judgment of the law.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

Romans 8:1
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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Ligurian said:

Matthew 22:37-38 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. Deuteronomy 13:3

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klutedavid said:

That's the greatest commandment in the law. That commandment cannot save anyone.

Here Ligurian, gaze upon the two commandments that were apart from the law. These two commandments grant eternal life. Whereas the law only grants the knowledge of sin and condemnation.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

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klutedavid said:

If the letter of the law regarding circumcision has passed, then logically, all has been accomplished by Jesus.

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klutedavid said:

John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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HARK! said:

It hasn't passed.

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Ligurian said:

Deuteronomy 13:1And if there arise within thee a prophet, or one who dreams a dream, and he gives thee a sign or a wonder, 2and the sign or the wonder come to pass which he spoke to thee, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye know not; 3ye shall not hearken to the words of that prophet, or the dreamer of that dream, because the Lord thy God tries you, to know whether ye love your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4Ye shall follow the Lord your God, and fear him, and ye shall hear his voice, and attach yourselves to him.





Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you,
Till Heaven and Earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled. (ginomai = generated, become)

Revelation 21:1-6 (when Heaven and Earth pass, "It is done.")

The Covenant of the Promise is conditional... circumcision is required.

Genesis 17:7And I will establish My Covenant between thee and thy seed after thee, to their generations, for an Everlasting Covenant, to be thy God, and the God of thy seed after thee. 8And I will give to thee and to thy seed after thee the land wherein thou sojournest, even all the land of Chanaan for an everlasting possession, and I will be to them a God. 9And God said to Abraam, Thou also shalt fully keep My covenant, thou and thy seed after thee for their generations. 10And this is the Covenant which thou shalt fully keep between Me and you, and between thy seed after thee for their generations; every male of you shall be circumcised. 11And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be for a sign of a Covenant between me and you. 12And the child of eight days old shall be circumcised by you, every male throughout your generations, and the servant born in the house and he that is bought with money, of every son of a stranger, who is not of thy seed. 13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money shall be surely circumcised, and My Covenant shall be on your flesh for an Everlasting Covenant. 14And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My Covenant.LXX

Psalms 89:30 If his children should forsake My Law, and walk not in My judgments; 31 if they should profane My ordinances, and not keep My Commandments; 32 I will visit their transgressions with a rod, and their sins with scourges. 33 But My mercy I will not utterly remove from him, nor wrong My truth. 34 Neither will I by any means profane My Covenant; and I will not make void the things that proceed out of My lips.LXX



John 14:24 He that loveth Me not keepeth not My words: and the word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father's which sent Me.

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Ligurian said:

whew... finally, someone who gets it.
Yes, Galatians 3:2 is the opposite of John 14:15-17. Which proves that Galatians 2:7-9 is correct.

However, you are not correct in what you think fulfilling the Law means... didn't I show you the Greek words and what they mean? Sure I did... Jesus fully preached the Law. Remember where Jesus says Moses allowed them to toss their wives away, for something other than adultery, because of the hardness of their hearts? Well, more is expected from the children of the Kingdom than hard hearts.

Therefore, Jesus didn't just speak the Law of Moses... again. "BUT I SAY UNTO YOU"... shows this truth, unmistakably. The teaching of the Laws for the Kingdom of Heaven, which they call the Sermon on the Mount, runs from Matthew 5:2 through Matthew 7:28-29... and this is what Jesus say at the end of this sermon:

Matthew 7:24-25 Therefore whosoever heareth these words of Mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon the rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon the rock.

Matthew 14:15-17 If ye love Me, keep My Commandments, and I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever: the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him, but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 12:44-50 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on Him that sent Me; and He that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness; and if any man hear My words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a Commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.

Deuteronomy 18:15The Lord thy God shall raise up to thee a prophet of thy brethren, like me; him shall ye hear: 16according to all things which thou didst desire of the Lord thy God in Choreb in the day of the assembly, saying, We will not again hear the voice of the Lord thy God, and we will not any more see this great fire, and so we shall not die. 17And the Lord said to me, They have spoken rightly all that they have said to thee. 18 I will raise up to them a prophet of their brethren, like thee; and I will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them as I shall command Him. 19And whatever man shall not hearken to whatsoever words that prophet shall speak in My name, I will take vengeance on him.LXX

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klutedavid said:

What 'words' or commandments did Jesus speak to us?

Jesus was sent to the Jews only and not to the Gentiles.

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klutedavid said:

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

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klutedavid said:

If you believe that you are under the commandment to not tell a lie. Then you may have the wrong set of commandments.

I know I have the first commandment and the greatest commandment, that mankind has ever been given.

This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ

Therefore, it is impossible for me to be in error.

The law did not promise life or salvation, only condemnation and death.

The law directly accused you of transgression, that is, the knowledge that you are a sinner.

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LoveGodsWord said:

According to the scriptures if we through faith in Gods' Word have repented from our sins and believe Gods promise of forgiveness we are no longer "under the laws" condemnation and penalty of death *Romans 8:1-4; Romans 6:23. No one is "under the law" according to the scriptures unless they stand guilty before God of breaking the law *Romans 3:19-20. Jesus did not fulfill the law so that we are now free to break the law *Matthew 5:17-28. He was our example who we are to follow *John 10:27 showing us that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit *Romans 8:4 in God's new covenant promises *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. It is true that we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. As posted somewhere else, obedience to God's law is not how we are saved it is the fruit of genuine faith *James 2:17-26 of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation *John 3:16 and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. At the second coming Christs reward is with him *Revelation 22:12.

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coffee4u said:

Seems like you are changing your tune LoveGodsWord. Some of what you are now saying is what we have been saying to you for a year or more, about being under love not law!

Matthew 22
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Those ^ are God's commands to us. We are God's people as were the Jewish nation but we are under the New Covenant not the Old.

Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Meaning not one single part of the entire law (All 600+ of them) will pass away until all is accomplished. An example was given above about circumcision.

Was circumcision not a part of the law?
Genesis 17:10-13
10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; 11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Very much so. Males under the Old Testament law must be circumcised. This law can not have passed away unless ALL the OT law has also passed away.
not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

For circumcision to no longer be a law than all has been accomplished. Since not even the smallest part of the law could pass, unless all had been accomplished.

So either all has NOT been accomplished, which means circumcision still stands and every single Christian male needs to be circumcised.
Or All has passed and ALL Old Testament law including circumcision has passed.
You can't have laws A, B and C passed while laws D,E and F are standing. It's none or all.

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LoveGodsWord said:

Actually no. I have always posted the same thing from the very beginning. Being born again to love is God's new covenant promise in all those who believe and follow God's Word and unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; John 3:3-7. Love is how God writes His law in our hearts and mind so that we can obey Gods' Word. According to the scriptures sin is defined as breaking any one of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23 and according to Jesus in Matthew 5:17-28 sin originates in our very thoughts and feelings.

According to the scriptures Jesus came to magnify the law from the inside out (thoughts and feelings; the mind or heart) quoting Matthew 5:17-32 in fulfillment of *Isaiah 42:21. This is to show that unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the kingdom of heaven *Matthew 5:20. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. Evil begins in the heart *Genesis 6:5 which was the reason mankind was destroyed the first time in the flood *Genesis 6:7-13. Breaking God's 10 commandments from the heart Jesus says is what defile a man *Matthew15:18-19. Jesus is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *Matthew 23:27-28. So who can be saved?

Jesus knows us that naturally we do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. This is why we need to be born again in the Spirit by faith to love God and keep his commandments *1 John 3:6-9. Jesus magnified the law to the inside out to show us that we are all sinners *Romans 3:9-10 in need of a Savior but many do not know the meaning of these scriptures *Matthew 9:12-13. This is the new covenant promise of God’s salvation in those who believe his Word and why we need to be born again through faith *1 John 5:3-4 to be free from sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:3-10; John 8:32-36; James 2:10-11; 1 John 2:3-4.

If we are not born again into God’s new covenant promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 24:13.

Righteousness comes from love because love is the fulfilling of God's law and the very expression of what love is *Romans 13:8-10. He that does not love does not know god for God is love * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are born again have a new heart to love and follow God *1 John 4:7. This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12. Those who are born again do not practice sin (breaking God's Commandments) *1 John 3:4-9. This is why John finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 John 5:3 and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN *John 3:3-7 in to walk in the Spirit *Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16 under Gods new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 to love we will not enter God’s Kingdom *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the inside out which is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5.

All those who knowingly break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11; Romans 3:19-20. All those who knowingly continue in unrepentant sin when they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods’ Word and reject it according to the scriptures will not enter into God's kingdom because they reject the gift of God’s dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God’s grace *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments or the 613 in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Love establishes God's law in those who believe and follow God's Word (Romans 8:1-4). Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved it is simply the fruit of love because salvation has already been provided through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9; John 14:15; John 15:10-12; John 14:21; Matthew 22:26-40. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. You cannot separate faith and works according to the scriptures just the same as you cannot separate love and law as obedience is the fruit of faith in God's Word which is how love to God and man is expressed.

This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 13:8-10 and is why Jesus says "If you love me keep my commandments. and on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets. Gods' new covenant promise of being born again to love therefore does not abolish God's law. Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law as we believe Gods' Word and walk in His Spirit not by breaking Gods law in disobedience and unbelief to what Gods Word says. This is why John says in 1 John 5:2-3 [2], By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3], For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous and elsewhere in 1 John 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Gods new covenant promise of love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law not by breaking them.

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HIM said:

Sin is transgression of the Law.

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LoveGodsWord said:

Actually no. I have always posted the same thing from the very beginning. Being born again to love is God's new covenant promise in all those who believe and follow God's Word and unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; John 3:3-7. Love is how God writes His law in our hearts and mind so that we can obey Gods' Word. According to the scriptures sin is defined as breaking any one of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23 and according to Jesus in Matthew 5:17-28 sin originates in our very thoughts and feelings.

According to the scriptures Jesus came to magnify the law from the inside out (thoughts and feelings; the mind or heart) quoting Matthew 5:17-32 in fulfillment of *Isaiah 42:21. This is to show that unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the kingdom of heaven *Matthew 5:20. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. Evil begins in the heart *Genesis 6:5 which was the reason mankind was destroyed the first time in the flood *Genesis 6:7-13. Breaking God's 10 commandments from the heart Jesus says is what defile a man *Matthew15:18-19. Jesus is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *Matthew 23:27-28. So who can be saved?

Jesus knows us that naturally we do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. This is why we need to be born again in the Spirit by faith to love God and keep his commandments *1 John 3:6-9. Jesus magnified the law to the inside out to show us that we are all sinners *Romans 3:9-10 in need of a Savior but many do not know the meaning of these scriptures *Matthew 9:12-13. This is the new covenant promise of God’s salvation in those who believe his Word and why we need to be born again through faith *1 John 5:3-4 to be free from sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:3-10; John 8:32-36; James 2:10-11; 1 John 2:3-4.

If we are not born again into God’s new covenant promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 24:13.

Righteousness comes from love because love is the fulfilling of God's law and the very expression of what love is *Romans 13:8-10. He that does not love does not know god for God is love * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are born again have a new heart to love and follow God *1 John 4:7. This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12. Those who are born again do not practice sin (breaking God's Commandments) *1 John 3:4-9. This is why John finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 John 5:3 and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN *John 3:3-7 in to walk in the Spirit *Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16 under Gods new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 to love we will not enter God’s Kingdom *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the inside out which is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5.

All those who knowingly break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11; Romans 3:19-20. All those who knowingly continue in unrepentant sin when they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods’ Word and reject it according to the scriptures will not enter into God's kingdom because they reject the gift of God’s dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God’s grace *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments or the 613 in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Love establishes God's law in those who believe and follow God's Word (Romans 8:1-4). Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved it is simply the fruit of love because salvation has already been provided through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9; John 14:15; John 15:10-12; John 14:21; Matthew 22:26-40. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. You cannot separate faith and works according to the scriptures just the same as you cannot separate love and law as obedience is the fruit of faith in God's Word which is how love to God and man is expressed.

This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 13:8-10 and is why Jesus says "If you love me keep my commandments. and on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets. Gods' new covenant promise of being born again to love therefore does not abolish God's law. Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law as we believe Gods' Word and walk in His Spirit not by breaking Gods law in disobedience and unbelief to what Gods Word says. This is why John says in 1 John 5:2-3 [2], By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3], For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous and elsewhere in 1 John 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Gods new covenant promise of love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law not by breaking them.

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Bob S said:

One poster claims Jesus didn't fulfill ALL the Law, but Jesus in Matt 5: 17 said; “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Notice Jesus didn't say some of the laws, like the poster claims, because there is no qualifier in His words. Then Jesus went on to tell us that nothing could be removed from said Law until everything was accomplished. The poster also claims that indeed some of the commands of the Law have been fulfilled and are no longer required to be kept. It appears that the poster has been given the discretion to choose what commands can be disregarded.

To those of us posters that believe Jesus did what He came to do, fulfill all the Law, the poster threatens that unless we abide by the commands of the Law we are in a lawless state. According to him/her we have to keep the commands of the Law with emphasis on the Sabbath command in order to be saved.

So, the reason for this thread is to discuss Matt 5:17-18. Did Jesus fail to fulfill what He came to do or did He keep His word and during His stay on this Earth bring an end to the Law? We have no qualms about His fulfilling and bringing to a final end the prophecies concerning Him. Why do some hesitate to believe He did the same for the Law?

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klutedavid said:

He has been told so many times, not to quote the entire Bible. He cannot help himself.

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LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Actually no. I have always posted the same thing from the very beginning. Being born again to love is God's new covenant promise in all those who believe and follow God's Word and unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; John 3:3-7. Love is how God writes His law in our hearts and mind so that we can obey Gods' Word. According to the scriptures sin is defined as breaking any one of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23 and according to Jesus in Matthew 5:17-28 sin originates in our very thoughts and feelings.

According to the scriptures Jesus came to magnify the law from the inside out (thoughts and feelings; the mind or heart) quoting Matthew 5:17-32 in fulfillment of *Isaiah 42:21. This is to show that unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the kingdom of heaven *Matthew 5:20. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. Evil begins in the heart *Genesis 6:5 which was the reason mankind was destroyed the first time in the flood *Genesis 6:7-13. Breaking God's 10 commandments from the heart Jesus says is what defile a man *Matthew15:18-19. Jesus is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *Matthew 23:27-28. So who can be saved?

Jesus knows us that naturally we do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. This is why we need to be born again in the Spirit by faith to love God and keep his commandments *1 John 3:6-9. Jesus magnified the law to the inside out to show us that we are all sinners *Romans 3:9-10 in need of a Savior but many do not know the meaning of these scriptures *Matthew 9:12-13. This is the new covenant promise of God’s salvation in those who believe his Word and why we need to be born again through faith *1 John 5:3-4 to be free from sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:3-10; John 8:32-36; James 2:10-11; 1 John 2:3-4.

If we are not born again into God’s new covenant promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 24:13.

Righteousness comes from love because love is the fulfilling of God's law and the very expression of what love is *Romans 13:8-10. He that does not love does not know god for God is love * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are born again have a new heart to love and follow God *1 John 4:7. This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12. Those who are born again do not practice sin (breaking God's Commandments) *1 John 3:4-9. This is why John finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 John 5:3 and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN *John 3:3-7 in to walk in the Spirit *Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16 under Gods new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 to love we will not enter God’s Kingdom *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the inside out which is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5.

All those who knowingly break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11; Romans 3:19-20. All those who knowingly continue in unrepentant sin when they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods’ Word and reject it according to the scriptures will not enter into God's kingdom because they reject the gift of God’s dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God’s grace *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments or the 613 in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Love establishes God's law in those who believe and follow God's Word (Romans 8:1-4). Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved it is simply the fruit of love because salvation has already been provided through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9; John 14:15; John 15:10-12; John 14:21; Matthew 22:26-40. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. You cannot separate faith and works according to the scriptures just the same as you cannot separate love and law as obedience is the fruit of faith in God's Word which is how love to God and man is expressed.

This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 13:8-10 and is why Jesus says "If you love me keep my commandments. and on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets. Gods' new covenant promise of being born again to love therefore does not abolish God's law. Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law as we believe Gods' Word and walk in His Spirit not by breaking Gods law in disobedience and unbelief to what Gods Word says. This is why John says in 1 John 5:2-3 [2], By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3], For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous and elsewhere in 1 John 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Gods new covenant promise of love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law not by breaking them.

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coffee4u said:

The only thing I have ever got from your posts in a nutshell is "keep sabbath law or else" That's what I think when I see your site picture and I skip on past. When I said we are under love you were always quick to say; no, commands. Not saying you intended that to be your message, but that is my overall impression of your posts. Then there is your wall of text posting style. ^ Sorry mate but no one has time to read a wall of text and absorb it all. How do you even have time to write that much? I don't have enough hours in the day. If you could post in a more concise manner I might have enough time to read it all.

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klutedavid said:

Sin is not defined as breaking any of the ten commandments. One of the definitions of sin in the scripture is that, sin is also transgression of the law. The law means much more than the ten commandments. You need to quote the verse that says that breaking the ten commandments is sin. I have never seen the death penalty applied to a liar.

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