Did Jesus know Judas would betray Him?
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Thanks DD, and I agree with you. However, how do you get around verses like the following?
Matt 5:
39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
Luke 6:
35But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.
Matt 18:
21Then Peter came to Him and said, Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times? 22Jesus said to him, I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
Matt 16:
24Then Jesus said to His disciples, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.
Mark 10:
38But Jesus said to them (as He spoke of His journey to the cross), You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
Peace,
~~Cheryl
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Of course He knew! I mean, He's true God as well as True Man, right? If he didn't have the power to know, then that doesn't make him omniscient, which, if you look at it, means that God is then not omnipotent! 
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Of course Jesus knew. Even though he was a man, he was still God. He wasn't seperated from God while on earth. And God knows everything.So yes Jesus knew Judas would sell him out.
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Yes, Jesus knew. It was prophecied in the OT, and Jesus knew all prophecies had to be fulfilled.
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Yes Jesus knew. Though Jesus also said that it would have been better if he hadn't even been born at all. :o
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Yes.
Jesus knew before Judas knew. Jesus also knew Judas didn't have to betray Him. (But then, someone else would have or something else would have happened. "If" stuff gets real complicated.)
However Cheryl (my lovely bride's name, by the way), that really does not address your concern.
In post #22 you presented some scriptures asking essentially "...what about this:"
I'm going to go the short route and see if it helps any. I suppose the long route is available if needed.
When Jesus told us to forgive, He meant it. However, an integral part of forgiving is repentance on the part of the offender. That's why not all are saved, even though Jesus died for all.
If your friend who betrayed your secrets confessed the misdeeds and asked for your forgiveness, you are obliged to forgive. Even seventy times seven. If that's the way the friend does business, you are a dope to tell any more secrets, what?
One of the things Jesus gave us all is a brain. He expects us to use it.
The passage about being struck on the cheek?
To be struck on the right cheek (presumably by a right handed person) is a back hand blow. This is not a punch, this is a slap. It is more in the nature of an insult than a physical assault.
In other passages, (Matthew 12:29 and Mark 3:27) Jesus talks about a man robbing a house. The tone and wording make it plain that Jesus spoke of home defense (the strong man) as a normal and expected action. Then of course, He warned His disciples (Luke 22:36) of coming times when a sword (pistol?, assault rifle?) would be more valuable than a coat.
The command is about insults, not self defense.
The extra mile? What Jesus says is do a proper job and then some. A subject of Rome could be conscripted to carry a soldier's pack for one mile. Jesus is saying, do what you are obliged to do and then give some extra. It is a way of addressing life in general, if you think about it.
About lending and giving. Don't be stingy. (Duh.) When you give with a cheerful heart because the love of God compels you, you are blessed. Maybe not with "stuff", but you are blessed. Now if you give because you think God will "owe" you something, you are wrong. If you give to impress the neighbors or the church, you have your reward in hand, the applause from those who saw you.
Taking up crosses and drinking cups.
Follow God. Obey God. Be where He wants you to be, doing what He wants you to do. It does not mean being miserable (not required, anyway), but being faithful. It's a long story, but one of the most fun work days I've ever had was tearing up a landing strip with about 10 other Marines on a hot August day at MCAS El Toro. Rotten job. Good day.
Like I said, this is the short version. When Jesus said give, He meant give. He meant forgive. He meant don't be easy to offend.
He never meant any of us to be a sucker or victim.
Does this make any sense?
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Jesus knew before Judas knew. Jesus also knew Judas didn't have to betray Him. (But then, someone else would have or something else would have happened. "If" stuff gets real complicated.)
However Cheryl (my lovely bride's name, by the way), that really does not address your concern.
In post #22 you presented some scriptures asking essentially "...what about this:"
I'm going to go the short route and see if it helps any. I suppose the long route is available if needed.
When Jesus told us to forgive, He meant it. However, an integral part of forgiving is repentance on the part of the offender. That's why not all are saved, even though Jesus died for all.
If your friend who betrayed your secrets confessed the misdeeds and asked for your forgiveness, you are obliged to forgive. Even seventy times seven. If that's the way the friend does business, you are a dope to tell any more secrets, what?
One of the things Jesus gave us all is a brain. He expects us to use it.
The passage about being struck on the cheek?
To be struck on the right cheek (presumably by a right handed person) is a back hand blow. This is not a punch, this is a slap. It is more in the nature of an insult than a physical assault.
In other passages, (Matthew 12:29 and Mark 3:27) Jesus talks about a man robbing a house. The tone and wording make it plain that Jesus spoke of home defense (the strong man) as a normal and expected action. Then of course, He warned His disciples (Luke 22:36) of coming times when a sword (pistol?, assault rifle?) would be more valuable than a coat.
The command is about insults, not self defense.
The extra mile? What Jesus says is do a proper job and then some. A subject of Rome could be conscripted to carry a soldier's pack for one mile. Jesus is saying, do what you are obliged to do and then give some extra. It is a way of addressing life in general, if you think about it.
About lending and giving. Don't be stingy. (Duh.) When you give with a cheerful heart because the love of God compels you, you are blessed. Maybe not with "stuff", but you are blessed. Now if you give because you think God will "owe" you something, you are wrong. If you give to impress the neighbors or the church, you have your reward in hand, the applause from those who saw you.
Taking up crosses and drinking cups.
Follow God. Obey God. Be where He wants you to be, doing what He wants you to do. It does not mean being miserable (not required, anyway), but being faithful. It's a long story, but one of the most fun work days I've ever had was tearing up a landing strip with about 10 other Marines on a hot August day at MCAS El Toro. Rotten job. Good day.
Like I said, this is the short version. When Jesus said give, He meant give. He meant forgive. He meant don't be easy to offend.
He never meant any of us to be a sucker or victim.
Does this make any sense?
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There ain't no free lunch. Except Jesus.
Archie
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Since Jesus emptied Himself of many of the attributes of being God when He willingly became a man, then it is possible He also willingly gave up the ability to know everything. It is clear that at some point He was aware Judas was going to betray Him. But it is impossible to say when. Since Judas is in at least one place referred to as a close familar friend to Jesus, then I think it may be that Jesus did not know at first who was going to fulfil the prophesy about someone being a betrayer.
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Maybee Jesus by his divine power Knew Judus's heart , mind and Nature, so he knew that Given the circumstances he would do exactly what he did.
Just a thought
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I can't even believe this question was asked! Jesus knows all things. Is that not evident in scripture?
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Hi LuckyCharm I think that verse is taken out of context quite a bit. Here is the whole passage:
Notice Jesus prefaces this section with a reference to an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. He is expanding on the Old Testament teaching of recompencing people, or giving people what you owe them.
Look at the other examples:
1.) You are sued and lose your coat. You are to give your coat AND your cloke.
2.) There was a law saying that a Roman soldier could compel you to carry their stuff for a mile. Jesus said carry it two miles.
3.) If someone wants to borrow something, let them.
The passage says if you owe someone something, like letting them sock you in the jaw, give them more than is required.
That's how I've read it anyway.
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Yes Jesus knew what Judas would do......as far as friendships irl.....ha, tough question......i would stick with them, but be very leary.
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