Follower of Christ
Literal 6 Day Creationist<br />''An Evening and a
"But let him who is taught in the Word share with the one teaching in all good things. "
(Galatians 6:6 MKJV)
Upvote
0
Creation, where's the Proof.
- Thread starter Freedom777
- Start date
(Galatians 6:6 MKJV)
euphoric
He hates these cans!!
- Jun 22, 2002
- 480
- 5
- 47
- Faith
- Atheist
- Marital Status
- Single
- Politics
- US-Republican
I can't believe that fraud earns ten cents for spreading horse manure. They aren't as bad as Hovind, but they're up there. Some of them actually have degrees that imply that they should know better.
-brett
Upvote
0
euphoric
He hates these cans!!
- Jun 22, 2002
- 480
- 5
- 47
- Faith
- Atheist
- Marital Status
- Single
- Politics
- US-Republican
Please tell me this isn't an attempt to justify the head of a ministry taking nearly two hundred grand in salary and benefits out of the collection plate. That's obscene in any circumstance.
-brett
Upvote
0
Follower of Christ
Literal 6 Day Creationist<br />''An Evening and a
Yes, youre right.
They should just give up what they see as true and get on the bandwagon with a theory that could very well be debunked tomorrow.
And they should do it just so you wont have to deal with the implcation that there may be an omnipotent God who you will someday face.
Upvote
0
Why would they do that when they are making big bucks promoting a myth that was debunked more than 100 years ago?
The Frumious Bandersnatch
Upvote
0
Follower of Christ
Literal 6 Day Creationist<br />''An Evening and a
I would say that if his salary is that high, then those supporting him (hey, no ones holding a gun to thier head, they do it of thier own free will) have the right to put him up any way they choose.
Thats none of anyones elses business.
Upvote
0
euphoric
He hates these cans!!
- Jun 22, 2002
- 480
- 5
- 47
- Faith
- Atheist
- Marital Status
- Single
- Politics
- US-Republican
Let's relieve you of a misconception here. While the possibility remains for falsification of any scientific theory including evolution, the chances of this happening in the case of evolution are microscopic. Evolution is no more likely to be falsified tommorrow than gravity or quantum theory. You seem to be using the sliver of possibility to imply likelihood here and that simply isn't the case.
-brett
Upvote
0
Follower of Christ
Literal 6 Day Creationist<br />''An Evening and a
I agree, It will NOT be falsified.
It will continue to delude as that is probably Gods intentions for it.
Upvote
0
euphoric
He hates these cans!!
- Jun 22, 2002
- 480
- 5
- 47
- Faith
- Atheist
- Marital Status
- Single
- Politics
- US-Republican
By that logic, Benny Hinn, Jim Baker and others did nothing wrong in bilking old ladies out of their social security checks. We have a common assumption in this country (and many others) that using people's sincerely-held religious beliefs to solicit money from them requires a high level of integrity when using those funds. When someone abuses that, as Ken Hamm seems to be, it is perfectly proper to denounce that as inappropriate.
-brett
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
Nathan Poe
Well-Known Member
Then they need to educate themselves. Many of them have not yet achieved the level of the average scoffer.
Or are you suggesting that they're talking down to our level?
If that's love, they can keep it.
Upvote
0
Nathan Poe
Well-Known Member
Who needs a gun when you can hold ETERNAL DAMNATION over their heads?
TRUE CHRISTIANS support our ministry.
If you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN, you will donate.
TRUE CHRISTIANS believe that Ken Ham is inspired by the Holy Spirit, and speaks the infallable truth.
Ken Ham needs a lot of support from TRUE CHRISTIANS to spread his gospel-- um, I mean, "science."
And of course, only TRUE CHRISTIANS go to heaven.
Upvote
0
Follower of Christ
Literal 6 Day Creationist<br />''An Evening and a
No, now youre doing as usual and twisting what I said.
We as believers, give of our own free will.
If we saw that Ken Hamm is getting out of control, we can simply stop supporting.
a few bad apples as Baker and Hinn do not mean that Ken Hamm is wrong.
I dont know what his salary is, and I am not taking anyones here word for anything, but even if it is that high, then so be it.
as long as he is getting the job done (and quite obviously he is), any amount he makes is okay.
Upvote
0
Follower of Christ
Literal 6 Day Creationist<br />''An Evening and a
Not ''down''
merely on a scientific type level that may help you to understand our position and belief.
Upvote
0
euphoric
He hates these cans!!
- Jun 22, 2002
- 480
- 5
- 47
- Faith
- Atheist
- Marital Status
- Single
- Politics
- US-Republican
Right, everyone else is deluded and you and others who agree with you know the "truth." All those silly scientists just aren't sharp enough to see what you see. Y'know, grab a dose of reality. Scientists aren't stupid and they aren't deceived, they have simply put a lot of time and effort into figuring out the origins and mechanisms of biological diversity. This constant, unsupported insistence that they're deluded is just childish. The sick part is, it's highly likely that Hamm and his organization know, at least in some small way that they're playing fast and loose with the facts, but they keep doing it anyway.
Riddle me this, if you and other YECs really are the ones who are privy to the truth, and mainstream scientists are the ones who are either dishonest or deceived, then explain why the YECs are the ones who engage in quote mining, repeat falsified arguments years after they've been debunked and use every tactic of deception and deflection they can lay their hands on? Real scientists, who are deluded, use public journals and stringent peer review processes and make their evidence available to the world. So why the difference in tactics if YECs know the "truth?"
-brett
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
Follower of Christ
Literal 6 Day Creationist<br />''An Evening and a
Ken Hamm shows how the ''evidence'' can fit into a young earth.
Thats about all I have seen of AIG.
No one says he is inspired, thats YOUR twisting again.
He has decided to help show that Gods word can be explained just as written in Genesis.
If it offends you so, then stop looking at it.
YOu are right, only born again christians will go to heaven.
You act like your a separated from this by our choice, you are not.
You can be on that road with us at any point you decide to.
We would love to have more company
Upvote
0
euphoric
He hates these cans!!
- Jun 22, 2002
- 480
- 5
- 47
- Faith
- Atheist
- Marital Status
- Single
- Politics
- US-Republican
I'm not twisting anything, you said that no one was holding a gun to people's head when they give, so we should essentially not sweat what the recipients do with it.
No Jim Baker and Benny Hinn don't make Hamm wrong, the fact that he takes two hundred grand from the ministry coffers makes him wrong.
You don't have to take our word for it, that's why there was a link to a very AIG-friendly article in a Kentucky newspaper.
-brett
Upvote
0
Follower of Christ
Literal 6 Day Creationist<br />''An Evening and a
Yeah, okay.
I have to get out to my rabbits and things now.
Remember, we christians are your enemy and we are just out to decieve you into going to heaven with us (oh no, it'll be too crowded
)
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
euphoric
He hates these cans!!
- Jun 22, 2002
- 480
- 5
- 47
- Faith
- Atheist
- Marital Status
- Single
- Politics
- US-Republican
4th April 2003 at 04:52 PM Follower of Christ said this in Post #36
Ken Hamm shows how the ''evidence'' can fit into a young earth.
Thats about all I have seen of AIG.
No one says he is inspired, thats YOUR twisting again.
He has decided to help show that Gods word can be explained just as written in Genesis.
If it offends you so, then stop looking at it.
YOu are right, only born again christians will go to heaven.
You act like your a separated from this by our choice, you are not.
You can be on that road with us at any point you decide to.
We would love to have more company
He shows nothing of the kind, he shows you part of the story. Listening to Hamm and Hovind and the ICR crew is like going to a magic show, they show you just enough of the evidence, at the right angles to make you believe that it fits with their hypotheses. The problem comes when you look at the evidence from other angles. That's when you see how paper thin their arguments are.
If they are so confident in their position, why don't they conduct their own research and publish the data for the world to see. Why so much resistence to the idea of subjecting their evidence to scientific scrutiny?
-brett
Upvote
0
Similar threads
