Preterism-phony as a Ford Corvette

3 Resurrections · Oct 5, 2021

robycop3 said:
The mark of the beast will be in the right hand or forehead. No coins were embedded in those places.

This is your added interpretation that the mark MUST somehow be "embedded" in the hand or the forehead. Scripture only says it would be received "ON" (epi) the right hand or the forehead. Which the Tyrian shekel was received by the right hand of temple worshippers, every time they exchanged foreign currency for the abominable priesthood-required Tyrian shekel. Also, a set of these Tyrian shekel coins was worn on the forehead of a married woman's headdress in those days as a sign of her marital status (as in the parable of the woman's lost coin).

robycop3 said:
"Every eye" did NOT see the return of Jesus, as it hasn't yet occurred.

Again, you are adding interpretation here that the term "every eye" MUST include every one on the entire planet seeing Christ return simultaneously. The context of Revelation 1:7 specifically limits the number of "every eye" seeing that return to "those who pierced Him". This was the blood guilt that the high priests called down on themselves and their children - not every generation - just that first century generation of Jews. Either the souls of those wicked dead or those who were still living at that AD 70 return, every one of them saw Christ returning to the Mount of Olives.

robycop3 said:
When he returns, He will be here to stay, & will rule the whole world for 1K years until He steps aside for His Father.

Not true that Jesus Christ will "step aside for His Father". It never says that. It says that He will "deliver up the kingdom to His Father". That meant He would return to heaven with the resurrected saints in AD 70, delivering all those children of the kingdom to the Father, by "presenting them faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy". (Jude 24). Jesus never abdicates His throne. His throne is forever.

robycop3 said:
The AOD will be when the antichrist (one man!) will sit in the coming new temple in Jerusalem & proclaim himself to be God.

Here you are arbitrarily mixing up the AOD with the Antichrist - which thankfully, you and I agree is a single individual man. You cannot just make up your own definition for the AOD. Luke already gives us the interpreted definition for the AOD in Luke 21:20-21, as compared directly with Mark 13:14 and Matthew 24:15-16.

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;..." (Luke 21:20-21)

"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:..." (Mark 13:14)

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand,) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:..."

robycop3 said:
The days of vengeance were against that one generation of Jews; the great trib will be worldwide, as Jesus had John write.

Here, you and I agree again that the "days of vengeance" were going to fall on that one generation of Jews. But those "days of vengeance" WERE the "Great Tribulation" period, as Christ defined it. That Great Tribulation period would be launched with the city of Jerusalem being surrounded by armies in AD 66, at the beginning of the Zealot rebellion against Rome. From then on, things got exponentially worse compared to "the beginning of sorrows", which had been going on already in the entire world just prior to that time. John told the believers that tribulation was "about to come upon all the world" soon after he had written Revelation, which it did.

I appreciate that you want to vigorously defend the truth as you see it, but I would say that is probably true of every one who posts on this forum, including myself. With such widely-varying viewpoints, we cannot all be correct. But perhaps God allows this to continue, just to show the watching world that Christians can differ widely in their honest efforts at interpretations, and still behave charitably toward one another.

parousia70 · Oct 5, 2021

robycop3 said:
EASY!
A volcanic eruption.

Ok... so we've established you DON'T take the prophetic language of "God being SEEN coming down from Heaven, Riding a cloud, Shooting Arrows and Killing his enemies with His brightness" Literally.
You believe the simple, temporal eruption of a volcano metaphorically fulfills ALL that language.

Got it.

But, to your answer and to my point,
Which one?

Which Volcano erupted on What Date that you claim fulfilled this scripture?
Remember, David is here describing The events that took place during his recent battlefield victory over Saul, So it should be easy for you to pinpoint the location and date of the supposed volcanic eruption from the geologic record, that you claim fulfills: "God being seen coming dwon from heaven, riding a cloud and shooting arrows"

Show us your Proof this happend the way you claim it did.
Unless ....you Can't?

robycop3 · Oct 5, 2021

3 Resurrections said:
This is your added interpretation that the mark MUST somehow be "embedded" in the hand or the forehead. Scripture only says it would be received "ON" (epi) the right hand or the forehead. Which the Tyrian shekel was received by the right hand of temple worshippers, every time they exchanged foreign currency for the abominable priesthood-required Tyrian shekel. Also, a set of these Tyrian shekel coins was worn on the forehead of a married woman's headdress in those days as a sign of her marital status (as in the parable of the woman's lost coin).

Read some history. The Tyrian shekel was never a universal currency, & certainly wasn't any marka the beast. This is a complete fairy tale, especially since the antichrist has not yet come.

Again, you are adding interpretation here that the term "every eye" MUST include every one on the entire planet seeing Christ return simultaneously. The context of Revelation 1:7 specifically limits the number of "every eye" seeing that return to "those who pierced Him". This was the blood guilt that the high priests called down on themselves and their children - not every generation - just that first century generation of Jews. Either the souls of those wicked dead or those who were still living at that AD 70 return, every one of them saw Christ returning to the Mount of Olives.

No; it INCLUDES those who pierced Him. They'll see His return from their place in hades. And the verse goes on to say ALL THE TRIBES ON EARTH will mourn. That includes a LOT more than little Judea!

Not true that Jesus Christ will "step aside for His Father". It never says that. It says that He will "deliver up the kingdom to His Father". That meant He would return to heaven with the resurrected saints in AD 70, delivering all those children of the kingdom to the Father, by "presenting them faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy". (Jude 24). Jesus never abdicates His throne. His throne is forever.

here's the Scripture-1 Cor. 15:24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
So, you see, Jesus will be subject to His Father, as He is now. Nothing about His leaving earth.

(Cont. next post)

robycop3 · Oct 5, 2021

(Cont. from last post)

Here you are arbitrarily mixing up the AOD with the Antichrist - which thankfully, you and I agree is a single individual man. You cannot just make up your own definition for the AOD. Luke already gives us the interpreted definition for the AOD in Luke 21:20-21, as compared directly with Mark 13:14 and Matthew 24:15-16.

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;..." (Luke 21:20-21)

The desolation is that of Jerusalem. Luke didn't mention any abomination. And it's the abomination that brings on the desolation, while J's desolation came about because of sin in general.

"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:..." (Mark 13:14)

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:..."

And here's what Daniel said about it-
Daniel 11:31And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation
Daniel 12:11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
In these chapters, Daniel wrote the prophecies Gabriel had given him about the then/future kingdoms of the Ptolemies & Seleucids that came from Alexander The Great's empire after his death. The AOD mentioned here came in the 160s BC when Seleucid ruler Antiochus Epiphanes set up a statue of Zeus in the temple & sacrificed a pig upon the altar. The beast shall set up a statue of himself in the coming temple & declare himself to be God, a much-greater evil than the first one. Here,

you and I agree again that the "days of vengeance" were going to fall on that one generation of Jews. But those "days of vengeance" WERE the "Great Tribulation" period, as Christ defined it.

MMRRPP ! WRONG!
The great trib will be WORLDWIDE, & its plagues are set forth in the Rev, especially Ch. 16.
Rev. 3:10(color=red]Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.[/color]

That Great Tribulation period would be launched with the city of Jerusalem being surrounded by armies in AD 66, at the beginning of the Zealot rebellion against Rome. From then on, things got exponentially worse compared to "the beginning of sorrows, which had been going on already in the entire world just prior to that time. John told the believers that tribulation was "about to come upon all the world" soon after he had written Revelation, which it did.

"The beginning of sorrows" will be worldwide, & is just now starting, what with wars, rumors of wars, the pandemic, and climate change. (Brought on by natural forces, not man.)

I appreciate that you want to vigorously defend the truth as you see it, but I would say that is probably true of every one who posts on this forum, including myself. With such widely-varying viewpoints, we cannot all be correct. But perhaps God allows this to continue, just to show the watching world that Christians can differ widely in their honest efforts at interpretations, and still behave charitably toward one another.

My view is sustained by history. The prophesied eschatological events have simply not yet occurred, as is very obvious. Most Scripture is LITERAL, and prets, since the events they SAY have already happened are not in history, try to reduce literal Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status. Yes, some Scriptures are thus, but not the great majority. And the preterism myth, like the KJVO myth, is entirely man-made & false.

3 Resurrections · Oct 5, 2021

robycop3 said:
Read some history. The Tyrian shekel was never a universal currency,

Scripture never says the mark of the Beast had to be a UNIVERSAL CURRENCY in use all over the globe. It said it would be a mark that the Land Beast would convince "them that dwell on the earth" to make in homage to the Sea Beast - that's "ge" for "earth", which refers to the LAND of Israel in scripture. Anyone from any country far and wide who came to the Temple in Jerusalem to worship was required to change their foreign currency for the abominable Tyrian shekel before purchasing or selling any sacrificial items. The high priesthood had convinced their people to start minting this Tyrian shekel in 19 BC, (probably to fund Herod's massive Temple renovations starting that year) which gave homage to the Roman phase of the Sea Beast by its abominable images and inscriptions.

robycop3 said:
No; it INCLUDES those who pierced Him. They'll see His return from their place in hades

No, it did not just "include" them, in addition to everyone else. That is a mistaken interpretation from the KJV, which you are unfortunately going along with. Scripture never says it was "also" those who pierced Him who would see Christ's return. It says that specifically, or namely it was those who pierced Him who would see His return. And yes, this view was also from Hades as well, because Death and the souls of the wicked inhabitants of Hades were thrown into Jerusalem's Lake of Fire during its AD 70 era destruction. These also saw Christ's return in judgment upon them at that time.

You are trying to expand scripture's definition of the "tribes of the EARTH" (ge - the land of Israel), and turn that into some kind of tribal divisions of the entire globe over all of human history. This book was written by John - a Jewish man - who was relating a message that was filled with references to the OT Jewish scriptures. "Tribes of the EARTH" was his reference to the members of the twelve tribes of Israel.

robycop3 said:
So, you see, Jesus will be subject to His Father, as He is now.

You are imposing your own understanding of a sort of hierarchy in the Trinity by the word "subject" that is not there. Your mental dictionary is at fault here. There is no hierarchy composed of different levels of power or authority in the Godhead. Jesus was not going to abdicate His throne - ever. Jesus putting an end to all rule and power and authority was His getting rid of the entire Satanic realm, and of the rulers of the Jews (the operation of the high priesthood system) in AD 70. At that time, He also got rid of the "divine council" by which the angelic "Watchers" had overseen the affairs of mankind ever since the days of Peleg back in the OT. The age to come in John's days would no longer be subjected to angelic oversight (as in Hebrews 2:5). Instead, the indwelling Holy Spirit would make ambassadors of every believer, in every nation. WE are now the "divine council", with the commission to go into every nation and preach the gospel to every creature, making disciples of the nations.

robycop3 said:
Nothing about His leaving earth

Well, what would you call having the resurrected saints "meet the Lord together in the air"? Especially when Jesus told the disciples that He would "receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also"? This is a leaving of this planet on that occasion, which has already happened. I agree with you that when Christ comes the next time in our future that He will probably remain on this planet with us in a world purged of all human evil from that point forward.

robycop3 said:
The desolation is that of Jerusalem. Luke didn't mention any abomination.

Of course Luke didn't mention the abomination; he INTERPRETED FOR US what that abomination was, and it was going to be "Jerusalem surrounded by armies". Don't you know how to compare scripture with scripture, robycop3? That AOD of Jerusalem being surrounded by armies was accomplished in AD 66, for which we have recorded numerical evidence that around 1-1/4 million people obeyed that directive to flee Judea and Jerusalem in AD 66 when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by those armies.

robycop3 said:
And here's what Daniel said about it-
Daniel 11:31And forces shall be mustered by him

Exactly. Other versions state this as "and ARMS SHALL STAND ON HIS PART..." That's ARMIES coming against Jerusalem at that time in Daniel, under Antiochus Epiphanes that time. Armies would again surround Jerusalem in AD 66, leading to its destruction in that era.

3 Resurrections · Oct 5, 2021

continued from above...

robycop3 said:
Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.[/color]

You keep missing the pertinent phrase that the KJV takes out of this verse. That hour of trial "is ABOUT TO COME upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth". This was an imminent event in JOHN'S DAYS - not ours.

robycop3 said:
"The beginning of sorrows" will be worldwide, & is just now starting, what with wars, rumors of wars, the pandemic, and climate change. (Brought on by natural forces, not man

Wrong here. The "beginning of sorrows" would include the disciples being beaten in synagogues, persecuted from city to city in Israel as they traveled to spread the gospel to every nation. Christ said they "would not have finished going over the cities of Israel until the Son of Man be come." (Matthew 10:23). Now, if you think Christ has not come yet, and the disciples are still alive and evangelizing the cities of Israel today, some 2,000 years later, then you have a real problem with your interpretation.

robycop3 said:
My view is sustained by history. The prophesied eschatological events have simply not yet occurred, as is very obvious. Most Scripture is LITERAL, and prets, since the events they SAY have already happened are not in history, try to reduce literal Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status.

Well, I for one as a Preterist have not done this. I keep posting LITERAL HISTORICAL events that match with the prophetic material in Revelation. Revelation does use symbolic imagery, but it is intended to portray actual historical events that were SOON to take place in John's days. Robycop3, you just seem to have a real problem with all the time markers that saturate the scriptures when describing eschatological events. The KJV erased many of these time markers by their rather generic translation of the Greek terminology. In spite of that, enough comes through even in the KJV that I am convinced that Preterist teaching is on the right track. Nine years of studying both history and scripture on these things has only confirmed that to me. I'm sorry you can't see it, because it truly does give a great peace of soul on these matters, in spite of the turbulent conditions in the world.

robycop3 · Oct 5, 2021

parousia70 said:
Ok... so we've established you DON'T take the prophetic language of "God being SEEN coming down from Heaven, Riding a cloud, Shooting Arrows and Killing his enemies with His brightness" Literally.
You believe the simple, temporal eruption of a volcano metaphorically fulfills ALL that language.

Got it.

But, to your answer and to my point,
Which one?
Which Volcano erupted on What Date that you claim fulfilled this scripture?
Remember, David is here describing The events that took place during his recent battlefield victory over Saul, So it should be easy for you to pinpoint the location and date of the supposed volcanic eruption from the geologic record.

Show us your Proof.

The time was in the 1100s BC. There were several small volcanoes active in Palestine at the time, although few erupted then. Dave's description fits the profile of an eruption closely. I'm gonna look for a specific event in that place/time.

robycop3 · Oct 5, 2021

3 Resurrections said:
continued from above...

You keep missing the pertinent phrase that the KJV takes out of this verse. That hour of trial "is ABOUT TO COME upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth". This was an imminent event in JOHN'S DAYS - not ours.

...Except you have a big prob with the FACT that those events HAVE NOT YET OCCURRED.

Wrong here. The "beginning of sorrows" would include the disciples being beaten in synagogues, persecuted from city to city in Israel as they traveled to spread the gospel to every nation.

Newp!
Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Christ said they "would not have finished going over the cities of Israel until the Son of Man be come." (Matthew 10:23). Now, if you think Christ has not come yet, and the disciples are still alive and evangelizing the cities of Israel today, some 2,000 years later, then you have a real problem with your interpretation.

And if you had bothered to have read onward, it woulda become apparent that Jesus was NOT then referring to His return after His ascent back to heaven, but about His return to a place where they'd later get together, as this was early in His ministry, while John The Baptist was yet alive in prison, and later, He & the disciples were back together. Remember, at the beginning of Matt. 11, He departed from them for awhile.

Well, I for one as a Preterist have not done this. I keep posting LITERAL HISTORICAL events that match with the prophetic material in Revelation. Revelation does use symbolic imagery, but it is intended to portray actual historical events that were SOON to take place in John's days. Robycop3, you just seem to have a real problem with all the time markers that saturate the scriptures when describing eschatological events. The KJV erased many of these time markers by their rather generic translation of the Greek terminology. In spite of that, enough comes through even in the KJV that I am convinced that Preterist teaching is on the right track. Nine years of studying both history and scripture on these things has only confirmed that to me. I'm sorry you can't see it, because it truly does give a great peace of soul on these matters, in spite of the turbulent conditions in the world.

As a pret, you believe a false doctrine.

What you've done is listen to a pret spin on certain events they've tried to shoehorn into fulfillments of eschatological prophecies. This world has gone right on, same as it was in 65 AD & same as it was in 71 AD. There are huge stretches between the pret "take" on history, and ACTUAL history. The restoration of the sovereign Jewish nation with Jerusalem as its capital shoulda opened the eyes of many prets, but they thought more of their false doctrine than the TRUTH. I don't know who taught you all that hooey, but as I said in the OP...IT'S PHONY AS A FORD CORVETTE!

3 Resurrections · Oct 5, 2021

robycop3 said:
...Except you have a big prob with the FACT that those events HAVE NOT YET OCCURRED.

Newp!
Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

And if you had bothered to have read onward, it woulda become apparent that Jesus was NOT then referring to His return after His ascent back to heaven, but about His return to a place where they'd later get together, as this was early in His ministry, while John The Baptist was yet alive in prison, and later, He & the disciples were back together. Remember, at the beginning of Matt. 11, He departed from them for awhile.

As a pret, you believe a false doctrine.

What you've done is listen to a pret spin on certain events they've tried to shoehorn into fulfillments of eschatological prophecies. This world has gone right on, same as it was in 65 AD & same as it was in 71 AD. There are huge stretches between the pret "take" on history, and ACTUAL history. The restoration of the sovereign Jewish nation with Jerusalem as its capital shoulda opened the eyes of many prets, but they thought more of their false doctrine than the TRUTH. I don't know who taught you all that hooey, but as I said in the OP...IT'S PHONY AS A FORD CORVETTE!

In other words, to put it briefly, you don't believe John or Christ meant what they said when they told the disciples that "all these things are about to come to pass" in Revelation 3:10 and Luke 21:36.

You don't have a doctrine problem robycop3, you have a language problem that cannot recognize the time markers at all. That's okay. There are many like you, but I have tried to progress beyond that point in my own studies. The world is not the same as it was in AD 65 or AD 71. God tells us in scripture how things changed for the better. He will continue to work in this world via His Holy Spirit until the final closure and the final resurrection and judgment.

robycop3 said:
And if you had bothered to have read onward, it woulda become apparent that Jesus was NOT then referring to His return after His ascent back to heaven, but about His return to a place where they'd later get together, as this was early in His ministry, while John The Baptist was yet alive in prison, and later, He & the disciples were back together.

I have certainly read onward, and around it as well. The context of Matthew 10:23 was describing the persecutions that the disciples would experience as evangelistic messengers after Christ would ascend to the Father. They would be beaten, delivered to the Sanhedrin councils, be scourged in the synagogues, and driven from city to city by persecution. This had NOT taken place yet during Christ's ministry, but we read about things like this beginning in Acts. Your point is skewed by your interpretational bias.

Jipsah · Oct 5, 2021

robycop3 said:
There's PLENTY of proof the temple was destroyed

Ah, so now you're a preterist as well, is that it? Very suspicious...

And the Jews have all the materials gathered to swiftly build a new temple when the time is right. Just ask some of them!

Oh, I'm sure that they do, all two dozen of them. When "Go!" signal comes, they'll turn to and have a new Temple up and running before you can say Jack Ketch. Every good Baptist says so. Actual Jews, though, seem to be a bit skeptical about the whole thing. <Laugh>

Jipsah · Oct 5, 2021

robycop3 said:
As a pret, you believe a false doctrine.

Careful where you swing that stick, you've already conceded that the Temple was derstroyed, which necessarily means that sacrifice has ceased. Those prophecies have thus been fulfilled. Welcome to the wonderful world of preterism, homey.

.IT'S PHONY AS A FORD CORVETTE!

Make up your mind, mate. Is the temple still there or aint it? Destroyed or not? If you believe it's gone, you're a preterist. Only way to avoid the charge is to ignore the building that isn't there. Looks like your eschaology is about as reliable as a 71 Pinto.

Hammster · Oct 6, 2021

robycop3 said:
Partial is false because Jesus said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great trib. If the trib has already occurred, Jesus is long-overdue !

What is the specific language He used?

Timtofly · Oct 6, 2021

Jipsah said:
Careful where you swing that stick, you've already conceded that the Temple was derstroyed, which necessarily means that sacrifice has ceased. Those prophecies have thus been fulfilled. Welcome to the wonderful world of preterism, homey.

Make up your mind, mate. Is the temple still there or aint it? Destroyed or not? If you believe it's gone, you're a preterist. Only way to avoid the charge is to ignore the building that isn't there. Looks like your eschaology is about as reliable as a 71 Pinto.

How do you know Josephus was correct? Perhaps nothing happened in 70AD. It has been at least 1900 years. It could have happened at any time in those 1900 years. The Bible never states anything as happening in 70AD. The Bible never claimed Jesus was born in 4BC, or died in 30AD, or any specific dates.

Why does there not being a temple currently in Jerusalem make one a Preterist?

Timtofly · Oct 6, 2021

Hammster said:
What is the specific language He used?

It will surely be after the tribulation of the last 1991 years. It cannot be before the tribulation of the Assyrian captivity of the northern 10 tribes.

Hammster · Oct 6, 2021

Timtofly said:
It will surely be after the tribulation of the last 1991 years. It cannot be before the tribulation of the Assyrian captivity of the northern 10 tribes.

That doesn’t answer the question.

Timtofly · Oct 6, 2021

Hammster said:
That doesn’t answer the question.

Jesus can return after any set of "those days". Tribulation has been nonstop, since the ten tribes were defeated and dispersed throughout the earth.

robycop3 · Oct 6, 2021

3 Resurrections said:
In other words, to put it briefly, you don't believe John or Christ meant what they said when they told the disciples that "all these things are about to come to pass" in Revelation 3:10 and Luke 21:36.

You don't have a doctrine problem robycop3, you have a language problem that cannot recognize the time markers at all. That's okay. There are many like you, but I have tried to progress beyond that point in my own studies. The world is not the same as it was in AD 65 or AD 71. God tells us in scripture how things changed for the better. He will continue to work in this world via His Holy Spirit until the final closure and the final resurrection and judgment.

You may preach "time markers" all ya wnt, but it doesn't matter, as those prophesied events have NOT yet occurred.

I have certainly read onward, and around it as well. The context of Matthew 10:23 was describing the persecutions that the disciples would experience as evangelistic messengers after Christ would ascend to the Father. They would be beaten, delivered to the Sanhedrin councils, be scourged in the synagogues, and driven from city to city by persecution. This had NOT taken place yet during Christ's ministry, but we read about things like this beginning in Acts. Your point is skewed by your interpretational bias.

Sure, the disciples were persecuted, as were many other Christians that followed them, unto this very day. Try being an open Christian in Afghanistan right now.
But the prophesied eschatological events simply HAVEN'T YET OCCURRED. Remember, the actual fulfillments must match the original writings EXACTLY TO THE LETTER. And that simply HASN'T YET HAPPENED.

robycop3 · Oct 6, 2021

Jipsah said:
Careful where you swing that stick, you've already conceded that the Temple was derstroyed, which necessarily means that sacrifice has ceased. Those prophecies have thus been fulfilled. Welcome to the wonderful world of preterism, homey.

Make up your mind, mate. Is the temple still there or aint it? Destroyed or not? If you believe it's gone, you're a preterist. Only way to avoid the charge is to ignore the building that isn't there. Looks like your eschaology is about as reliable as a 71 Pinto.

The Jews will build a new temple when the time is right & it wouldn't start WW3. Again, just ask some Jews, not just one.

robycop3 · Oct 6, 2021

Hammster said:
What is the specific language He used?

Matt. 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The original language is Koine Greek.

Hammster · Oct 6, 2021

Timtofly said:
Jesus can return after any set of "those days". Tribulation has been nonstop, since the ten tribes were defeated and dispersed throughout the earth.

That still doesn’t answer my question. I’m not sure why you quoted me.

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