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I never said they are not being figuratively described. What the whole point is, is the literal event.

Yes or no: is there a future literal event of Christ physically on earth?
Not before He burns up the entire surface of it first when He returns and renews it, which will result in the new earth (see 2 Peter 3:10-13). As I've said about a thousand times now. We will then be with Him on the new earth for eternity.
 
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No, the point of contention is what happens at the 7th Trumpet. It looks to me like you are trying to avoid answering my questions and addressing the points I made regarding what it says in Revelation 11:18.

You don't deserve for me to answer your question since you didn't answer any of mine or addess any of my points, but I'll answer it, anyway. I believe Christ will descend from heaven, believers will be changed and caught up to meet Him in the air, and then He will burn up the heavens and the earth which will destroy all unbelievers and then the judgment takes place...somewhere. Right after that believers will inherit the new heavens and new earth.

Now that I've answered your question can you please address what I said about Revelation 11:18 in post #5822? You said your question had to be answered first before we move on, so now I've done that. If you don't bother addressing what I said in my post then we're done for good. I'm not interested in one way discussions.
Christ physically remains on the earth at the Second Coming, because only the works are burned up according to 2 Peter 3:10.

This happens at the 6th Seal. The final harvest, ie judging the sheep, and destroying the goats, is hands on because the angels are also on the earth, per Jesus Christ, Paul, and John.

The final harvest is during the 6 Trumpets and 7 Thunders. The 7th Trumpet is a week long celebration. Daniel 9:27, Revelation 10:7. The sounding of the 7th Trumpet is the completion of Daniel's 70th week.
 
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Christ physically remains on the earth at the Second Coming, because only the works are burned up according to 2 Peter 3:10.

This happens at the 6th Seal. The final harvest, ie judging the sheep, and destroying the goats, is hands on because the angels are also on the earth, per Jesus Christ, Paul, and John.

The final harvest is during the 6 Trumpets and 7 Thunders. The 7th Trumpet is a week long celebration. Daniel 9:27, Revelation 10:7. The sounding of the 7th Trumpet is the completion of Daniel's 70th week.

You really need to let the text speak for itself instead of always forcing your beliefs into the text. That is classic Premil.

2 Peter 3:3-15 tells us: “there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming (parousia)? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation.”

We glean a lot of helpful detail here relating to what happens to the creature and creation when Jesus comes, and what immediately follows. If we are able to divorce ourselves from what we have been taught, we are looking at a very climactic picture.

· Unquestionably, the focus of this message is directed to the end-time-cynics who question God.
· These fools question God keeping His “promise.” What promise? It is “the promise of his coming.”
The scorn and derision of these foolish last days scoffers and mockers are directed specifically towards the reality and occurrence of Christ’s Advent in glory.
· It is not in any way concentrated upon a supposed group of ‘millennial scoffers’ 1,000 years later. If this is supposed to be a collection of ‘millennial scoffers’ 1,000 years after the second coming, why would they be saying, “Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation”? Such a notion is a complete absurdity as Christ’s coming (or parousia) is long past.
· This text shows us that today is the only day of salvation. Peter responds to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: “the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). Romans 2:4 reaffirms that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming.
· The actual wrath described by the Holy Spirit comes suddenly and unexpectedly upon these foolish last days scoffers and mockers. There is no escape. They are the recipients of total destruction.
· We also see in this reading that “the day of the Lord will arrive (or heko) as a thief in the night; in the which (en heé)” or literally translated “in which” (the word “the” being absent from the original). The detail described arrives with Jesus.
· What happens to creation when Jesus arrives? 1. The heavens shall pass away / perish with a great noise. 2. The elements shall be ‘loosed by being set on fire’, 3. The earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly. 4. The works that are within the earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly. The Premillennialist claims to be a literalist, so there is no spiritualization that can explain this away. It is water-tight.
· The description of the destruction could not be more comprehensive. It is undoubtedly the end. It involves wholesale and unavoidable annihilation for the wicked. It embraces the full gamut of fallen creation.
· What is this replaced with? A future millennium filled with sin and sinners, crying and dying? No. The Holy Spirit tells us that it the “new heavens and a new earth” that follows Christ’s return.
· The arrival of the “new heavens and a new earth” are here significantly connected to “his promise.”
· The Holy Spirit then assures the last days elect that their lot is not wrath or destruction. They experience the new heavens and new earth at His appearing.

Fallen creation is going to be purged of all corruption when Jesus comes. The wicked will be destroyed and the earth will be regenerated by fire. The redeemed will be glorified to inherit the new glorified earth. 2 Peter 3:6-7 confirms: “Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

These scoffers are the same fools that Paul speaks of in I Thessalonians 5:2-7 who Jesus will take vengeance on when He comes and will destroy because of their rejection of Christ. This judgment is shown to be wholesale, immediate and unavoidable for the rebel.
 
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You really need to let the text speak for itself instead of always forcing your beliefs into the text. That is classic Premil.

2 Peter 3:3-15 tells us: “there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming (parousia)? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation.”

We glean a lot of helpful detail here relating to what happens to the creature and creation when Jesus comes, and what immediately follows. If we are able to divorce ourselves from what we have been taught, we are looking at a very climactic picture.

· Unquestionably, the focus of this message is directed to the end-time-cynics who question God.
· These fools question God keeping His “promise.” What promise? It is “the promise of his coming.”
The scorn and derision of these foolish last days scoffers and mockers are directed specifically towards the reality and occurrence of Christ’s Advent in glory.
· It is not in any way concentrated upon a supposed group of ‘millennial scoffers’ 1,000 years later. If this is supposed to be a collection of ‘millennial scoffers’ 1,000 years after the second coming, why would they be saying, “Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation”? Such a notion is a complete absurdity as Christ’s coming (or parousia) is long past.
· This text shows us that today is the only day of salvation. Peter responds to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: “the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). Romans 2:4 reaffirms that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming.
· The actual wrath described by the Holy Spirit comes suddenly and unexpectedly upon these foolish last days scoffers and mockers. There is no escape. They are the recipients of total destruction.
· We also see in this reading that “the day of the Lord will arrive (or heko) as a thief in the night; in the which (en heé)” or literally translated “in which” (the word “the” being absent from the original). The detail described arrives with Jesus.
· What happens to creation when Jesus arrives? 1. The heavens shall pass away / perish with a great noise. 2. The elements shall be ‘loosed by being set on fire’, 3. The earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly. 4. The works that are within the earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly. The Premillennialist claims to be a literalist, so there is no spiritualization that can explain this away. It is water-tight.
· The description of the destruction could not be more comprehensive. It is undoubtedly the end. It involves wholesale and unavoidable annihilation for the wicked. It embraces the full gamut of fallen creation.
· What is this replaced with? A future millennium filled with sin and sinners, crying and dying? No. The Holy Spirit tells us that it the “new heavens and a new earth” that follows Christ’s return.
· The arrival of the “new heavens and a new earth” are here significantly connected to “his promise.”
· The Holy Spirit then assures the last days elect that their lot is not wrath or destruction. They experience the new heavens and new earth at His appearing.

Fallen creation is going to be purged of all corruption when Jesus comes. The wicked will be destroyed and the earth will be regenerated by fire. The redeemed will be glorified to inherit the new glorified earth. 2 Peter 3:6-7 confirms: “Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

These scoffers are the same fools that Paul speaks of in I Thessalonians 5:2-7 who Jesus will take vengeance on when He comes and will destroy because of their rejection of Christ. This judgment is shown to be wholesale, immediate and unavoidable for the rebel.
Why do you keep teaching me that there are scoffers 1000 years from now? You are the only person I have ever heard teach that nonsense.
 
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Why do you keep teaching me that there are scoffers 1000 years from now? You are the only person I have ever heard teach that nonsense.

Address the issues above. 2 Peter 3 forbids Premil. Why can you not admit it?
 
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You really need to let the text speak for itself instead of always forcing your beliefs into the text. That is classic Premil.
As Amill does; obviously.
I do not see 2 Peter 3 1-10 as what will happen when Jesus Returns.
Peter is prophesying about the forthcoming punishment by fire, the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, which will devastate the Middle East and change the world. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 63:1-6, +
The Return will come about 10 years later.

Forcing beliefs? It is the Amill theory which does that. Making Revelation 20 mean something other than what it says, is serious error.
 
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Peter is prophesying about the forthcoming punishment by fire, the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, which will devastate the Middle East and change the world. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 63:1-6, +
The Return will come about 19 years later.
Isa 66:15-17..."For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16)For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many. "Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, says the LORD."

These verses of Isaiah 66:15-17 are a reference to the coming of the Lord to judgment could include the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD as well as the final judgment of mankind at the end of this world as it is like the description by the Jesus of what unbelievers suffer. (compare: Matthew 24 and 2 Thess 1:8)

Looking further, it also says in verse 17a that "Those who sanctify and purify themselves go into the gardens..." Therefore, it is assurance that all believers dead and alive at that time go first into heaven before God's wrath is imposed on the unbelievers that remain, the entire earth is then cleansed - not just the Middle East. Inserting a local, instead of a worldwide cleansing of the earth, is nowhere even implied in those verses. Nor will that happen in 2031 (of Post #1312) as you prophesied previously also. Those are your invalid insertion of dates and places into texts that clearly is not justified here either.

Once again the godly shall be hidden by the Lord in heaven away from the scene of judgment. You are preaching to the choir. (Isa 26:20, 21; Ps 31:20; 1Th 4:16-17).
 
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As Amill does; obviously.
I do not see 2 Peter 3 1-10 as what will happen when Jesus Returns.
Peter is prophesying about the forthcoming punishment by fire, the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, which will devastate the Middle East and change the world. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 63:1-6, +
The Return will come about 19 years later.

Forcing beliefs? It is the Amill theory which does that. Making Revelation 20 mean something other than what it says, is serious error.

Hold on! Where does it mention the Middle East in 2 Peter 3? You cannot stitch Scripture together to suits your own theories.
 
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Hold on! Where does it mention the Middle East in 2 Peter 3? You cannot stitch Scripture together to suits your own theories.
Actually the whole world will be affected, but the ME Region will be most affected and virtually depopulated. As Zephaniah 1:18, Jeremiah 10:18, Isaiah 22:1-14, Ezekiel 21:1-7 says.
It will be the Sixth Seal event; NOT the glorious Return.

'stitching scripture together' is wrong?
The whole Bible makes a coherent picture, a complete fabric for our understanding of God plans and purposes.
 
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These verses of Isaiah 66:15-17 are a reference to the coming of the Lord to judgment could include the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD as well as the final judgment of mankind at the end of this world as it is like the description by the Jesus of what unbelievers suffer
They refer to the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, yet to happen.
They do not relate to 70 AD or the final Judgment of Revelation 20.
Looking further, it also says in verse 17a that "Those who sanctify and purify themselves go into the gardens..." Therefore, it is assurance that all believers dead and alive at that time go first into heaven before God's wrath
Isaiah 66:17 has nothing to do with believers.
You, and others are confused by the KJV Bible and interpret scripture to suit your wrong beliefs. Bad error.
Once again the godly shall be hidden by the Lord in heaven away from the scene of judgment
Rapture rubbish.
Get this truth: We must endure until the end. Matthew 24:15, Revelation 14:12, and stand firm until He Returns. Matthew 24:50, Hebrews 9:28
 
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Actually the whole world will be affected, but the ME Region will be most affected and virtually depopulated. As Zephaniah 1:18, Jeremiah 10:18, Isaiah 22:1-14, Ezekiel 21:1-7 says.
It will be the Sixth Seal event; NOT the glorious Return.

'stitching scripture together' is wrong?
The whole Bible makes a coherent picture, a complete fabric for our understanding of God plans and purposes.

You are avoiding the question again: Where does it mention the Middle East in 2 Peter 3?
 
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You are avoiding the question again: Where does it mention the Middle East in 2 Peter 3?
I gave my references. Obviously you don't bother to click on them.
Ezekiel 21:1-7 is one of the prophecies about the Day the Lord will strike the earth with His fiery wrath and the Negev, the Land of Israel is specified.
But that Day will also kill many worldwide and destroy our modern infrastructure. Jeremiah 25:30-33
 
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I gave my references. Obviously you don't bother to click on them.
Ezekiel 21:1-7 is one of the prophecies about the Day the Lord will strike the earth with His fiery wrath and the Negev, the Land of Israel is specified.
But that Day will also kill many worldwide and destroy our modern infrastructure. Jeremiah 25:30-33

Where is the day the Lord mentioned here? You are totally winging it. You obviously have nothing.
 
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Where is the day the Lord mentioned here? You are totally winging it. You obviously have nothing.
It a shame really, that many Christians like you have no idea of what God will do in these end times.
The Lord's sudden and shocking Day when He will change the world, is vividly described in over 100 Bible prophesies.

It will happen as 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 tells us.
 
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Peter is prophesying about the forthcoming punishment by fire, the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, which will devastate the Middle East and change the world. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 63:1-6, +
The Return will come about 10 years later.
In keras' post # 5359, pg 268 he lists 100 prophesies about his CME , one of which I responded to in regards to this potential climactic event that he says will occur at a later time and manner. He stated that it..."will strike earth at midday and virtually depopulate the entire Middle East."

In another post #5425 he stated that "...that people will take cover for the one Day of extreme heat, storms, earthquakes and Tsunamis. Most will survive. Only the Middle East region will be virtually depopulated" but in post #2050 keras says that: "The rest of the world will be severely affected, but most people will take shelter and will survive." (In one statement he says they will hide in the rocks.")

Then in post # 5846 he prophesies a time when Christ will return..."The Return will come about 10 years later." Earlier in a post he gave the year as occurring in 2031. Then in post #5359 he says: "It will strike the earth at midday..."

Later in post #5852 he increased the scope of this "theory" by saying "But that Day will also kill many worldwide and destroy our modern infrastructure."

His conclusion of this event is this statement: "The resulting population clearance, Ezekiel 30:1-5, will allow the fulfillment of the many prophecies which say how all the faithful Christian will gather and settle there. These events will disrupt the world economy and set the stage for the Anti Christ."

These things keras believes because he says of himself in Post #1678 "I have good reason to believe the Lord has tasked me to promote His prophesies to all who will listen,"


I can believe I am the King of England all I want to but that does not mean that God made me the King of England.

However, my response to his referencing of Isaiah 66:17 to his "theory" was this: "These verses of Isaiah 66:15-17 are a reference to the coming of the Lord to judgment could include the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD as well as the final judgment of mankind at the end of this world as it is like the description by Jesus of what unbelievers suffer. Looking further, it also says in verse 17a that "Those who sanctify and purify themselves go into the gardens..." (meaning Paradise) Therefore, it is assurance that all believers dead and alive at that time go first into heaven before God's wrath."

True to form, Keras completely ridiculed my response to the truths in Isaiah 66:17 as being "Rapture rubbish." (The only "rapture" I believe in is the one and only one on the LAST DAY.)

SO, in regards to his "theory", I did a little research as to just how much temperature a human body can take before death occurs and this is what I found for statistics according to National Geographic,

"As with all things, moderation is key when it comes to heat. Too little and you'll freeze to death — too much, and you'll become a burning corpse. But just how hot can it get before you stop sweating bullets and your body is completely shot?

"The human body is ill-suited to spend extended periods of time in temperatures higher than its own internal temperature, which on average clocks in at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit. Once your innards hit 104 degrees, you're in the danger zone...At that point you're on the cusp of heat stroke, which officially strikes when you reach 105 degrees. At 107 degrees, you're in terrible peril of exiting the danger zone and entering the dead zone as your blood flow slows and your organs sustain potentially "irreversible damage."

But even a temperature of 107 degrees or above isn't a guaranteed death sentence. Outside Online describes the harrowing case of Willie Jones, who spent 24 days at a hospital after his core temperature reached a scorching 115.7 degrees. It's also important to note that hydration is an important factor in whether you beat the heat or lose your life to it.

Of course, what we've described is the highest internal temperature a person might survive. You might be wondering about how much external heat a person can tolerate. Live Science writes that most humans can endure about 10 minutes in 140-degree heat before suffering from hypothermia, a lethal form of which is the aforementioned heat stroke.

Based on that, keras' CME is a complete waste of time because believers do not go through the wrath of God at the end of the world no matter how hot earth gets. This event, even if God does choose to end the earth with fire in this manner, NO human being is capable of withstanding such a thing. It would be like climbing into my oven at 250 degree temps for a good night sleep thinking I will wake up in the morning after having "sweet dreams."
 
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It a shame really, that many Christians like you have no idea of what God will do in these end times.
The Lord's sudden and shocking Day when He will change the world, is vividly described in over 100 Bible prophesies.

It will happen as 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 tells us.

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 supports the Amil position and forbids Premil. That is because it is climactic. As for your 100 Bible prophesies that you pulled out of thin air, not one of them teaches your theory. Notably, you did not even try to exegete these because they would quickly reveal they contradict everything you argue here.
 
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keras' CME is a complete waste of time because believers do not go through the wrath of God at the end of the world no matter how hot earth gets. This event, even if God does choose to end the earth with fire in this manner, NO human being is capable of withstanding such a thing.
Firstly; the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath is not the end of this earth. It will be the reset of our civilization, another correction of the same magnitude as Noah's Flood.
But this time by fire and many, if not most of the world's population will survive it. Hiding in caves or u/g shelters will be sufficient. Isaiah 26:20-21, Revelation 6:15, + Only the ME Region will be virtually depopulated, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 10:18, Ezekiel 21:1-7

Your very critical put down of my posts shows a intransigent attitude to the presentation of Bible Prophesies which conflict with your beliefs.
Who is right: you or the Bible Prophets?

THE LORDS WRATH – how will it happen?
This much prophesied, still to come, Lords Day of vengeance and wrath – will happen at the same time as an attack against Israel. Psalms 7:12-16 People think there may be a nuclear exchange, but what is more certain is what the prophets say:
Jeremiah 50:25 The Lord opens His armory and brings forth the weapons of His wrath, for this is His work to be done in the lands of the godless peoples.
Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in heaven, it descends in judgement.
Psalm 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals onto the wicked.
Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind. He will judge with fire, His sword will test mankind and many will be slain by Him.
Isaiah 33:10-12 Now I shall arise, says the Lord, I will exalt Myself. You will be as chaff and stubble, a wind like fire will consume you. Whole nations will be heaps of white ash, like thorns cut down and set on fire.
Psalm 144:5-6 Lord, part the heavens. Make lightning flashes far and wide.
Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty...descending in fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid storms and hail.
Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from God, a sweeping whirlwind which whirls around the heads of the wicked. The Lords fierce anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In Days to come you will understand.
Isaiah 29:5-6 Yet, the horde of Your enemies will crumble into dust, fly away like chaff. Suddenly in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, thunder, earthquakes and great noise and a flame of devouring fire.
Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched by the Lord, the people are like fuel for the fire.
Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, its Holy One a flame, which, in one day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars.
Isaiah 30:26-30 On the Day that the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will be as bright as the sun.
See; the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. His lips are charged with wrath and His tongue is a devouring fire. His breath is like a torrent in spate. He sieves out the nations for destruction.
Isaiah 63:1-6

What these (and many other) prophecies, seem to be describing is sunspot activity.
Maybe the sun is building up to a huge Coronal Mass Ejection, something we do experience with minor CME’s. They happen very suddenly and unexpectedly, reaching earth within hours and are capable of causing enormous damage and deaths worldwide.
All electrical and communications systems, industry, transport; our modern infrastructure could be destroyed, or at least severely damaged. Armies would be back to 1800’s technology.

A CME explosion of the suns surface, as described in Isaiah 30:26, with the sun flashing 7 times brighter, would be one of unprecedented magnitude and would literally cause all the graphically prophesied effects. For example; the moon would shine bright red as it reflects this sun explosion and our satellites would crash to the earth, like ripe figs falling.
 
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1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 supports the Amil position and forbids Premil. That is because it is climactic.
That the sudden destruction of verse 3 is NOT climatic, is proved by how this disaster comes on them; who are the ungodly peoples.
We Christians should know about it and be prepared; Not in the dark....
As for your 100 Bible prophesies that you pulled out of thin air, not one of them teaches your theory.
Just show me one out of the 117 prophesies which I used to support the forthcoming Lord's Day of fiery wrath, that doesn't fit there.
Where you think it does fit, supported by proofs; that is- from the historical record, or another time.
 
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That the sudden destruction of verse 3 is NOT climatic, is proved by how this disaster comes on them; who are the ungodly peoples.
We Christians should know about it and be prepared; Not in the dark....
Not climactic? Are you joking? How can it not be climactic when Paul specifically says "they shall not escape" from it?

Firstly; the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath is not the end of this earth. It will be the reset of our civilization, another correction of the same magnitude as Noah's Flood.
But this time by fire and many, if not most of the world's population will survive it. Hiding in caves or u/g shelters will be sufficient.
LOL. How could "many, if not most" people survive it if it's the same magnitude as Noah's flood? How many people survived the flood? A grand total of 8.

Do "many, if not most" people in the world have caves or underground shelters that they can hide in? Certainly not. So, what you said here is complete nonsense.

As Amill does; obviously.
I do not see 2 Peter 3 1-10 as what will happen when Jesus Returns.
Peter indicates clearly in that passage that he is talking about things related to "His coming". How many times do you think Jesus is coming in the future? It will only be once. Scripture does not say He will come down from heaven more than once in the future. So, 2 Peter 3 has to be about His return. It obviously is about His return. You have to be completely lacking in discernment to not recognize that.
 
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Not climactic? Are you joking? How can it not be climactic when Paul specifically says "they shall not escape" from it?


Hopefully you will get a simple answer.

They shall not escape from what?

Answer= a few verses later

1Thess 5
9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing.


Paul makes very clear what this wrath entails on the following page of your bible in 2Thess 1.



This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.


No premill would ever say such a thing as this...but Paul and Peter did.
 
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