The fate of Satan, the beast and his demons mirror each other

Ligurian said:

They were judged, but their sentence is not yet: it happens HERE:

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; [and], behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Esaias 66:6 A voice of a cry from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord rendering recompence to his adversaries. 7 Before she that travailed brought forth, before the travail-pain came on, she escaped it and brought forth a male. 8 Who has heard such a thing? and who has seen after this manner? Has the earth travailed in one day? or has even a nation been born at once, that Sion has travailed, and brought forth her children?LXX
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Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in Heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.3 And there appeared another wonder in Heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] His throne.
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Revelation 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
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Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth My works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father.

Michael fights the dragon, HERE:

Revelation 12:7-8 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
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Daniel 12:1 And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.LXX
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Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The Great Tribulation happens when Satan is cast to Earth.

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Of course he is sentenced. We know where he is going when Jesus comes. Rev 20:10 confirms: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

That were he is about to go when Jesus comes!

In John 12:31-33 Christ predicted, shortly before He defeated the power of Satan at the cross, “now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die” (John 12:31-33).

Here was the time of his casting down - after the cross. Here was the time of the unblinding of the nations (the Gentiles). Here Christ gloriously dethroned Satan from his previous, largely unchallenged, global earthly rule and his place of accusation in heaven. Satan’s movement, liberties and sway on earth and in heaven received a severe blow.

Revelation 12:5-11 places the defeat of Satan at the resurrection/ascension: "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

Previous to Satan's eviction, God was Israel's God, not the Gentiles God. Satan ruled the nations. But through this casting out of Satan, after man's penalty had been paid in full, he no longer had anything to accuse the elect over. It was indeed finished! The powerful spread of the Gospel to the Gentiles lifting the deception that kept them bound. Satan was now bound. The boot was on the other foot. With the global expanse of the great commission the Gentiles now are without excuse. The ignorance is gone. The veil is lifted. The means by which God lifts deception is the preaching of the Word of God. This has now been successfully ongoing throughout the nations for 2000 years.

Satan's defeat came through His sinless life, His atoning death and His glorious resurrection. Here is when He got His eviction notice, and here is "when" salvation came to the "whole world" - not just one nation Israel. The deception enveloping the Gentiles was lifted - praise God. They are now without excuse, just like those in the OT that rejected salvation. Salvation has now come to the nations. But Satan had to first be cast down. He had to be defeated. Christ’s life, death and resurrection safely secured that. As a result the Church becomes a militant overcoming organism.

He is talking about sin being judged on the cross, and the immediate result it had upon Satan - he was evicted from heaven. He lost all grounds to condemn the elect anymore. Sin had been paid for in full, and hell had been defeated for all who would take a hold of the cross-work. The accuser has nothing to accuse the elect for as sin - past, present and future - has been fully penalized. Another result was Hades (Abraham's bosom) being emptied of the elect. That happened for the same reason. Hell (and the second death) had been defeated for God's people.

One of the main effects of Satan being evicted from heaven and being spiritual bound was that the nations would be enlightened. But another immediate effect was that dead believers were released from the captivity of Abraham’s bosom and ushered into the heavenly abode.

Ligurian said:

What exactly are you trying to say here? You think the millennium is added to Revelation? What if you're wrong? Revelation 22:18-19

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Where did i say that? I as talking about the faulty Premil interpretation. It is a non-corroborative theory.

DavidPT said:

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: andthe voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

In verse 19 what do you take 'her' to be referring to? The same thing I do? Jerusalem? Is the entire planet meaning Jerusalem? Does not the text say that it is in Jerusalem that the LORD will rejoice in, and that it is Jerusalem where the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in, nor the voice of crying? Does Jerusalem ever mean the entire planet earth? If you think it does, do you have Scriptures to back that up, where it is obvious that the entire planet earth is being meant by Jerusalem?

My point thus far is, it is only in Jerusalem where it is that the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in, nor the voice of crying. Therefore, if there is crying outside of Jerusalem, or even death outside of Jerusalem, for whatever reason at the time, what exactly is being contradicted since outside of Jerusalem does not equal inside of Jerusalem? To try and show what I'm meaning, consider the following, as an example.

Psalms 72:17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.

I would think Jesus is being meant here. I would think most would agree with that. This verse first says His name shall endure for ever, then it goes on to say His name shall be continued as long as the sun. Obviously, there is a problem if the sun does not endure for ever as well. We end up with a contradiction in this verse. Therefore, this verse makes it crystal clear that the sun will be present for ever. With this in mind, let's now look at something in Revelation 21.

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Some have proposed that this verse indicates there won't be a sun in the NHNE. If that is true, we may as well tear Psalms 72:17 out of our Bibles since that verse already says there will be, thus proves otherwise. Anyone paying attention to the text in Revelation 21:23 though, can see that nothing in that verse is contradicting anything in Psalms 72:17. In Revelation 21:23 it says it is in the city where there is no need of the sun. It says zero about outside of the city there is also no need of the sun, therefore, showing that inside of Jerusalem is not the same thing as being outside of Jerusalem. Therefore, what might apply inside of Jerusalem might not also apply outside of Jerusalem. We then need to keep things like this in mind when intepreting passages such as Isaiah 65:17-19.

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We have to expect it to describe “Jerusalem a rejoicing” when speaking about the eternal state. This is in full keeping with the New Testament revelation of the new heaven and new earth. The listener and reader would easily grasp this hope being relayed here better than if they said Johannesburg, Jakarta or Jacksonville.

Douggg said:

No, it is not. It is saying a child will live to be a hundred years old. But a sinner will die earlier, considered to be accursed. It is just saying people will live longer, unless they are a sinner.

People will still die during that timeframe in Isaiah 65. It is not talking about life in the new earth.

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Isaiah 65:17 does have the prophecy of a new earth, and new heaven, and that they (the Jews) should rejoice over that.

Jesus is going to rejoice with them - IN JERUSALEM - among the Jewish people - verse 19. verses 20-25 is the messianic age of the thousand years, that people will live longer, although death will still be present.


17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

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So, as usual, you avoid the evidence and just present your opinion as fact That is not the way it works. I get your frustration at not having any supporting texts to bring to the table, but multiple Scripture shows us that all the wicked are destroyed when Jesus comes.

2 Peter 3:3-15 tells us: “there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming (parousia)? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation.”

We glean a lot of helpful detail here relating to what happens to the creature and creation when Jesus comes, and what immediately follows. If we are able to divorce ourselves from what we have been taught, we are looking at a very climactic picture.

· Unquestionably, the focus of this message is directed to the end-time-cynics who question God.
· These fools question God keeping His “promise.” What promise? It is “the promise of his coming.”
· The scorn and derision of these foolish last days scoffers and mockers are directed specifically towards the reality and occurrence of Christ’s Advent in glory.
· It is not in any way concentrated upon a supposed group of ‘millennial scoffers’ 1,000 years later. If this is supposed to be a collection of ‘millennial scoffers’ 1,000 years after the second coming, why would they be saying, “Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation”? Such a notion is a complete absurdity as Christ’s coming (or parousia) is long past.
· This text shows us that today is the only day of salvation. Peter responds to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: “the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). Romans 2:4 reaffirms that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming.
· The actual wrath described by the Holy Spirit comes suddenly and unexpectedly upon these foolish last days scoffers and mockers. There is no escape. They are the recipients of total destruction.
· We also see in this reading that “the day of the Lord will arrive (or heko) as a thief in the night; in the which (en heé)” or literally translated “in which” (the word “the” being absent from the original). The detail described arrives with Jesus.
· What happens to creation when Jesus arrives? 1. The heavens shall pass away / perish with a great noise. 2. The elements shall be ‘loosed by being set on fire’, 3. The earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly. 4. The works that are within the earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly. The Premillennialist claims to be a literalist, so there is no spiritualization that can explain this away. It is water-tight.
· The description of the destruction could not be more comprehensive. It is undoubtedly the end. It involves wholesale and unavoidable annihilation for the wicked. It embraces the full gamut of fallen creation.
· What is this replaced with? A future millennium filled with sin and sinners, crying and dying? No. The Holy Spirit tells us that it the “new heavens and a new earth” that follows Christ’s return.
· The arrival of the “new heavens and a new earth” are here significantly connected to “his promise.”
· The Holy Spirit then assures the last days elect that their lot is not wrath or destruction. They experience the new heavens and new earth at His appearing.

Fallen creation is going to be purged of all corruption when Jesus comes. The wicked will be destroyed and the earth will be regenerated by fire. The redeemed will be glorified to inherit the new glorified earth. These scoffers are the same fools that Paul speaks of in I Thessalonians 5:2-7 who Jesus will take vengeance on when He comes and will destroy because of their rejection of Christ. This judgment is shown to be wholesale, immediate and unavoidable for the rebel.

Timtofly said:

Prove Satan is not at Armageddon, because the first few verses of chapter 20 are at Armageddon.

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Really? Where does it mention Armageddon in Rev 20?

Ligurian said:

I didn't grow up in a church building. What does premil mean to you?

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Premillennialism.

Douggg said:

The way it works with you is that you change from what is in Isaiah 65 to a completely different topic and set of verses- and in your post never come back to how those pertain to Isaiah 65:19-20.

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You are avoiding the question. I will take it as an admission you have no evidence. Your ducking around the responses is just exposing the weakness of your position. It is time to address or admit your doctrine does not add up. It is frankly a waste of time engaging with you because you duck around every issue that exposes your position.

Please address the following then if you have a genuine answer:

The fate of Satan, the beast and his demons mirror each other

Timtofly said:

There is no interruption of thought. Unfortunately you accept a man made opinion that has convinced you there is.

It is like saying John has to repeat the word Armageddon 6 times, and then it will be figurative instead of literal.

Armageddon is not mentioned in Revelation 19 either. So how many battles bring to a close Satan's 42 months that start in Revelation 13?

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You are avoiding the question. I will take it as an admission you have no evidence.

Timtofly said:

If you cannot define Armageddon, then talking about it is pointless.

Where is the word Atonement in Matthew 27? Mark 15? Luke 23?

Why does a word have to be in every single verse or chapter to prove your point?

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Where does it mention Armageddon in Rev 20?