Why Are the Most Vaccinated Nations Also the Most Infected?

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That is a step in the right direction, but they should also be testing older medications for off label uses. When doctors have been using those medications with success, it warrants testing.

So far, they seem to do more damage than good. Which is why doctors aren't using them.

But it seems like they only really care about money so they want big expensive new treatments.
Sure.. you might be able to beat covid 19 with this new drug... but it'll cost you thousands of dollars.

Interesting. Show us those numbers. Checkable sources.
 
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So far, they seem to do more damage than good. Which is why doctors aren't using them.



Interesting. Show us those numbers. Checkable sources.

The drug isn't approved yet, so it doesn't have a price yet
But do you honestly expect it'll be relatively affordable?
 
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Jamdoc said:
But it seems like they only really care about money so they want big expensive new treatments.
Sure.. you might be able to beat covid 19 with this new drug... but it'll cost you thousands of dollars.

Interesting. Show us those numbers. Checkable sources.

But do you honestly expect it'll be relatively affordable?

S'O.K. I didn't expect a straight answer.
 
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Interesting. Show us those numbers. Checkable sources.



S'O.K. I didn't expect a straight answer.

Dude
be realistic and not a clown about this

You know there won't be a price before its even approved.

You would also be out of your mind to think they'd make it cheap when it is approved.

What kind of faith do you have in lying, stealing, men.
take off the rose colored goggles.

Here's the cost of one of the other treatments for Covid 19 that they will push, rather than older cheaper drugs.

Monoclonal Antibody Treatment for COVID-19: What to Know

$1250 a dose.


Here's an estimate of the cost at $700 per 5 day course of this drug
but of course, that's an estimate, it's not final

What we know — and don’t know — about Merck’s new Covid-19 pill
 
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Now, we are finding that populations with the most vaccinations also have the highest infection rates. We reported some time ago that the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology, Dr. Robert Malone, has been trying to warn the world that these vaccines are dangerous and that they will cause more infections than they will stop.

They do this, he explains, by turning the vaccinated person’s body into a factory for covid spike proteins. Spike proteins are the structures on the outside of a virus that allow it to attach to and infect other cells. They are like keys to the protective membranes of other cells. Since the end of last year, virologists have been telling us that the spike protein on this virus is a shape-shifter, that it changes form in order to infect other cells.

What this means is, if the vaccine boosts the production of covid spike proteins in the body, then it is giving the virus more of the tools it needs to unlock and infect new cells and defeat the body’s immunity. It’s a bit like leaving piles of bricks in the streets so that rioters and ANTIFA members can smash all the windows they like. So, while the corporate media and the Biden administration continue to blame the unvaccinated for the growing infection rate, the truth is just the opposite. The vaccinated are becoming covid incubation units.

But as usual, the reason this is a problem is that the corporate media isn’t reporting these and other important truths. If they did, things would be very, very different.

https://www.conservativenewszone.co...st-vaccinated-nations-also-the-most-infected/
Your source is wrong. The most vaccinated nations are the United Arab Emirates (85% fully vaccinated), Portugal (84% fully vaccinated), Malta (84% fully vaccinated.). The United Arab Emirates current infection rate is 17 per 100,000. Portugal - 40 per 100,000. Malta - 21 per 100,000.

Compare that with the U.S. at 229 cases per 100,000 at 56.5% fully vaccinated.

Source: Reuters

You are spreading misinformation and bearing false witness here. Please correct your OP.
 
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(unsupported claim)

Interesting. Show us those numbers. Checkable sources.

(Nothing)

S'O.K. I didn't expect a straight answer.

Dude
be realistic and not a clown about this

In the real world, when you make claims it's incumbent on you to support them.

You know there won't be a price before its even approved.

But lack of data didn't stop you, did it?

What kind of faith do you have in lying, stealing, men.

I don't think you meant to lie; you just assumed something and made up a story about thousands of dollars to fit.

Take off the green colored goggles.
 
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Here's the cost of one of the other treatments for Covid 19 that they will push, rather than older cheaper drugs.

Monoclonal Antibody Treatment for COVID-19: What to Know

$1250 a dose.

Yeah, the anti-vaxxers are pushing that one, as an alternative to a vaccination. Vaccination is not only more effective, it is much, much cheaper. Gov. Ron, in Florida is sure the expensive alternative is better, though, for reasons that aren't hard to guess.
 
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Here's an estimate of the cost at $700 per 5 day course of this drug
but of course, that's an estimate, it's not final

Remember, it's only for those with severe COVID-19 illness. And it's much, much cheaper than even one day in ICU. So it makes sense.
 
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Show us that. And what do you think that means? Protein is either metabolized to produce energy, or more frequently reduced to the constituent amino acids and recycled to form useful proteins. Since the S protein making up the spike has an S1 and S2 component that has to be cleaved by host cell furins to do anything at all, and since the components fusing with a cell membrane does exactly nothing in the absence of the viral nucleic acid, I don't see an issue here.

Oh, and since the existence of those proteins is exactly what produces the immune response that sequesters the spike proteins...

What, exactly is your concern here?
I don't really have to do your research for you, do I. If you don't want to believe anything but the MSM, nothing I point to will change your mind.

"How many shrinks does it take to change a lightbulb?
Just one, but the light bulb really has to want to change."

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Now, for those who care about what they're putting in your body...

"Even though graphene oxide is made with the same atoms as our organs, tissues and cells, its bi-dimensional nature causes unique interactions with blood proteins and biological membranes and can lead to severe effects like thrombogenicity"
Graphene oxide touches blood: in vivo interactions of bio-coronated 2D materials - PubMed
Application of Nanotechnology in the COVID-19 Pandemic

I remember when they said MK Ultra was just a conspiracy theory.
Now they're saying graphene oxide is linked to the push for 5G.
If you've ever thought, The Truth Is Out There, X-Files S.R. 819
 
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Yeah, the anti-vaxxers are pushing that one, as an alternative to a vaccination. Vaccination is not only more effective, it is much, much cheaper. Gov. Ron, in Florida is sure the expensive alternative is better, though, for reasons that aren't hard to guess.

your dreaded antivaxxers are pushing old antiparasitic drugs that are pennies.
Try again.
 
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I don't really have to do your research for you, do I.

You'd actually have done better if you had done your research for you.

If you don't want to believe anything but the MSM, nothing I point to will change your mind.

You're not in the echo chamber, so chanting "MSM! MSM!" won't help you. Finding some evidence for your assumptions, and using it to form a cogent argument will help you.

"How many shrinks does it take to change a lightbulb?
Just one, but the light bulb really has to want to change."

Q: How many anti-vaxxers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: No one knows; they'd rather stay in the dark.

(For a time, I tried to make a living at stand-up. I wasn't that good, but trying to heckle me is a huge mistake)

"Even though graphene oxide is made with the same atoms as our organs, tissues and cells, its bi-dimensional nature causes unique interactions with blood proteins and biological membranes and can lead to severe effects like thrombogenicity"

Some people have abused your trust in them...

A widely shared Facebook post claims that vaccines contain “Graphene Oxide Nano Particles” and that these can reassemble on command and travel to any part of the body.

Nanoparticles are a generic term for very small particles which are found in nature, or can be man-made. They are used in medicine, and a particular type called a lipid nanoparticle is used in both the Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines (which have been approved for use in the UK).

Graphene oxide is another type of nanoparticle but as we have written previously, the Covid-19 vaccines currently in use do not contain graphene oxide. The MHRA told Full Fact “there is no graphene oxide in any of the authorised vaccines”.

Professor Penny Ward, chair of the Education and Standards Committee at the Faculty of Pharmaceutical Medicine reiterated this.

She explained that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use lipid nanoparticles in the envelope which transports the mRNA. She also said that the lipid nanoparticles used in the vaccines have been shown in animal studies to mostly stay at the injection site and in the lymphatic system where immune responses to the vaccine occur.

There is no graphene oxide in the Covid-19 vaccines - Full Fact

When someone tells you something that you really, really want to be true, that's when you need to be most skeptical.

Because that's when it's easiest to fool you. Easiest to fool all of us. Could save a lot of embarrassment.

(stuff about 5G)

Well, that was random.
 
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Yeah, the anti-vaxxers are pushing that one, as an alternative to a vaccination. Vaccination is not only more effective, it is much, much cheaper. Gov. Ron, in Florida is sure the expensive alternative is better, though, for reasons that aren't hard to guess.

your dreaded antivaxxers

You shouldn't be afraid of them. A lot of them even mean well. They actually believe those stories you see on facebook or on white supremacist websites about graphene oxide, and involuntary sterilization by vaccine, and such.

are pushing old antiparasitic drugs that are pennies.

$1250 a dose.

That's about 2270 pounds of pennies, I think. (a more precise number available on request)
Try again.
 
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Yeah, the anti-vaxxers are pushing that one, as an alternative to a vaccination. Vaccination is not only more effective, it is much, much cheaper. Gov. Ron, in Florida is sure the expensive alternative is better, though, for reasons that aren't hard to guess.



You shouldn't be afraid of them. A lot of them even mean well. They actually believe those stories you see on facebook or on white supremacist websites about graphene oxide, and involuntary sterilization by vaccine, and such.




That's about 2270 pounds of pennies, I think. (a more precise number available on request)
Try again.

That's not the one the antivaxx crowd is pushing
that's the one the pharmaceutical companies are pushing, because it will make them far more profit than using 50 year old drugs for off label uses.

antivaxx has been pushing hydroxychloroquinone and ivermectin.
which the media has spun to say "fish tank cleaner" and "horse dewormer" respectively.
even though both medications are properly formulated from humans just.. get them from an actual doctor and not a pet or animal supply store.
 
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antivaxx has been pushing hydroxychloroquinone and ivermectin.

Neither of which has been shown to be safe and effective for COVID-19.

In fact, the first VA study showed that the placebo group had better survival.
 
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The question that anti-vaxxers should be answering, is "why are almost all the people dying of COVID-19, unvaccinated?"

A better question that should be asked, did the unvaccinated ones who died of Covid 19 have a underlying condition? Or an underlying issue that made them more susceptible?

Whenever I read anything about Covid 19 related deaths, if it is vaccine related, person had underlying issue, but if it is related to a unvaccinated death, I have yet to come across articles that mention the unvaccinated had a underlying issue.
 
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When someone tells you something that you really, really want to be true, that's when you need to be most skeptical.

There's a PDF for this one, too.

“Graphene Oxide Detection in Aqueous Suspension: Observational Study in Optical and Electron Microscopy”

Upon downloading the PDF, place in virtual-folder with this one (from a previous, related thread)

C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020_Pfizer_BioNTech.pdf

...then, follow this procedure:

"As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconsicious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames."--Orwell, 1984

Repeat, as needed.

https://www.naturalnews.com/files/Salus_Humetrix_VE_study_2021_09_28.pdf
 
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The question that anti-vaxxers should be answering, is "why are almost all the people dying of COVID-19, unvaccinated?"

A better question that should be asked, did the unvaccinated ones who died of Covid 19 have a underlying condition?

Being unvaccinated.

Or an underlying issue that made them more susceptible?

Gullibility.

Or maybe it was just bad luck that almost all the victims were unvaccinated. Something like that.
 
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(weird belief that COVID vaccines have graphene oxide particles)

When someone tells you something that you really, really want to be true, that's when you need to be most skeptical.

There's a PDF for this one, too.

“Graphene Oxide Detection in Aqueous Suspension: Observational Study in Optical and Electron Microscopy”

Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines do not contain graphene oxide
By Reuters Fact Check
Online reports that COVID-19 vaccines contain graphene oxide are unfounded.

The allegations are based on an analysis by a professor in Spain which has been rejected by experts. He obtained what he himself described as non-conclusive results after studying one vial. He said the vial was purported to contain a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine but said it had come to him by a messenger service and acknowledged that the vial’s origin was unknown.

Pfizer told Reuters its vaccines do not contain the material. This material is also not listed in any of the widely available COVID-19 vaccines worldwide.

Social media posts and blogs with this false claim can be seen here, here , here , here . Many of the posts wrongly suggest the vaccines are therefore toxic.
Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines do not contain graphene oxide


I notice that the person writing the report does not even say that there is any graphene oxide in the sample he was given, or even from where the sample came. As to where it came from, he merely writes:

"On 06/10/2021 1 vial was received by courier, labeled with the following text:
- “COMIRNATY™ .Sterile concentrate. COVID-19 mRNA. 6 doses after
dilution.
- Discard date / time: PAA165994.LOT / EXP: EY3014 08/2021 ”
- Origin and traceability: unknown
- State of conservation: refrigerated
- Maintenance during the study: refrigerated
- Coding of the problem sample to be analyzed: RD1"


So he got a sample of something, of unknown origin, and thinks it might have graphene oxide in it, but he isn't sure.


Did you even read that report? Does this suggest to you, why people are laughing at anti-vaxxers?


 
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There's a PDF for this one, too.

“Graphene Oxide Detection in Aqueous Suspension: Observational Study in Optical and Electron Microscopy”

Upon downloading the PDF, place in virtual-folder with this one (from a previous, related thread)

C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020_Pfizer_BioNTech.pdf

...then, follow this procedure:

"As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconsicious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames."--Orwell, 1984

Repeat, as needed.

https://www.naturalnews.com/files/Salus_Humetrix_VE_study_2021_09_28.pdf

Does this suggest to you, why people are laughing at anti-vaxxers?

I decided, pre-teen, that vaccines are against my religion... long before the MSM built that anti-vax box you're hauling around for them.
 
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I decided, pre-teen, that vaccines are against my religion... long before the MSM built that anti-vax box you're hauling around for them.

I'm just having some fun debunking the stories you guys tell each other. The funny thing is, a disasterously-debunked fake like that graphene story would normally bring down the whole cult.

But for the hard-core believers, it just convinces them that the conspiracy is bigger than they thought.
 
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