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First assuming everyone is a false prophet, considering the prescription for false prophets, that was heading in a direction that was a little too dark even for my own bad sense of humor.

We don’t have the authority the ancient Israelites and Judeans supposed they had to execute false prophets, assuming that they ever actually had that authority and it is not a misinterpretation of the divine response to unrepentent sin. For example, consider the adultery pericope in the Gospel according to St. John (technically, probably, an interpolation, but canonical anyway), which has the effect of suggesting that the Jews did not have the ability to execute the law lawfully due to their own lawlessness (hypocrisy).

Our sole recourse to false prophecy that does not risk greater sin is to warn and avoid, or for a church, anathematize.
 
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Thw first warning sign of a false prophet is claiming to be a prophet. Real prophets are very, very thin on the ground these days.
Really? You've vetted everyone that claims to be a prophet? How'd you manage that?
 
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Really? You've vetted everyone that claims to be a prophet? How'd you manage that?
You're right of course. If someone claims to be a prophet, odds are they're the Real McCoy. Gotcha!
 
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Long story short, have you had experiences with false prophets you would care to share. Any advice, tips or insights would be appreciated.

The concept itself is not like that. A false prophet is a messenger of Satan. Once you buy into his message you will fall short of God's Grace through Jesus Christ. Sometimes this is without the false prophet's own consent and awareness.

Other than this, one may be blinded by his own pride and may be judgmental to block God's message through a legit source including from a true prophet. In a nutshell, you judge by the fruits they can bear.

That said. A lot of people being called "false prophets" are actually fools trying to either glorify themselves or for the purpose of making money and personal gains. True false prophets on the other hand are those trying to convey a fatal message to affect the salvation provided by God through Jesus Christ.
 
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1. A false prophet is a messenger of Satan.

2. That said. A lot of people being called "false prophets" are actually fools trying to either glorify themselves or for the purpose of making money and personal gains.


Have you ever considered 1 and 2 above are near to the same.
 
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False prophets lead us back into the world and it's ways. Kind of like when the gentile religion abandoned the Kingdom for a share in the governance of man. What influence have those particular false prophets who did that, had in leading man off track??
 
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Whatever their motivation, who says "Thus saith the Lord", and then follows it with something that the Lord didn't actually say, is a false prophet. They could just be deranged and imagine that the Lord is actually speaking to them, or they could just be plain old villains.
 
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Whatever their motivation, who says "Thus saith the Lord", and then follows it with something that the Lord didn't actually say, is a false prophet. They could just be deranged and imagine that the Lord is actually speaking to them, or they could just be plain old villains.
Nope
 
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Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

...

1. How to identify false prophets.

2. What steps can we take to prevent being fooled by their lies.

In my experience, the type of person likely to be a false prophet delights in putting others down, in the flawed notion doing so lifts themselves higher. They love to negatively label and slander innocents.

They are more comfortable with lies, than truth. Lies come easy to them. While truth is difficult if not impossible for them to find.

They believe reducing the rights and freedoms of others paves the road to future progress and prosperity. Stripping women of the right to vote, stripping americans of the right to bear arms and similar movements which reduce opportunities and prosperity in the world are their favorite things. They are fanatically goal oriented in terms of finding ways for governments to assume greater power at the expense of overall rights, freedom and privacy.

They seek to control everyone and are chronically unable to control themselves.

They want money and power and to make all the important decisions. Then blame everyone except themselves if they make poor choices and are unhappy with the results.

They stand for nothing and fall for everything. They are fooled by every deception and support every horrible idea and terrible candidate who comes along. And lack the self awareness to realize it.

...

Long story short, have you had experiences with false prophets you would care to share. Any advice, tips or insights would be appreciated.

"5 But they shall not stay with you longer than one day; and, if need be, let them stay with you a second day; but if they remain with you three days they are a false prophet. 6 And when the Apostle leaves you, let them take nothing except enough bread to last them until they reach their next lodging. But if they ask you for money, they are a false prophet. 7 And every prophet who speaks in the spirit you shall not test or prove; for every sin shall be forgiven, but this sin [blasphemy of the Holy Spirit] shall not be forgiven. 8 Not everyone that speaks in the spirit is a Prophet, but only if they have the behavior of the Lord. By their behavior you shall know the false prophet from the true Prophet. 9 And no Prophet that orders a table in the spirit keeps all the food to themselves or eats it alone, unless they are a false prophet. 10 And every Prophet who teaches the truth and does not practice it, is a false prophet. 11 And every approved, genuine Prophet, who gathers people for a worldly mystery [false doctrine], but does not teach them to do as they do, shall not be judged by you; for they their judgment is in the hands of God as it was with all of the ancient Prophets. 12 But whosoever says in the spirit [the Spirit of God or an ungodly spirit]: Give me money or any other thing, you shall not listen to them; but if they encourage you to give to others who are in need, let no one judge them."
https://allsouls.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/The-Didache.pdf
 
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This is very true. This is, for example, why I reject the claims of some members that Ellen White was a prophet, because no one before her ever taught doctrines like the idea that Our Lord and Savior is St. Michael the Archangel, or spoke of the existence of an “investigative judgement”, or other beliefs which we do not see elsewhere in Christendom.

The Jehovah's Witnesses surely inherited it from Charles Taze Russell, the founder of International Bible Students. Who was later named JWs by Judge Rutherford.
Judge Rutherford | EWTN
 
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Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
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While not the archetypical false prophet. I've run across people on CF who seem to think they have some special vision most/all others lack, and make a lot of cryptic mystic ominous sounding posts, sometimes with scripture that contains warnings and apocalyptic language. And often when someone says they can't understand what they're getting at, or they aren't making any sense. They'll say that's because of spiritual deficiency on the part of the reader.
 
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While not the archetypical false prophet. I've run across people on CF who seem to think they have some special vision most/all others lack, and make a lot of cryptic mystic ominous sounding posts, sometimes with scripture that contains warnings and apocalyptic language.

Let us know where you stand, that is a challenge to you

Do you believe we are living in the very end of time when end time prophecies are currently being fulfilled?

Or

Are you a believer it is in the distant future?
 
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Let us know where you stand, that is a challenge to you

Do you believe we are living in the very end of time when end time prophecies are currently being fulfilled?

Or

Are you a believer it is in the distant future?

That's not what my statement is addressing. I'm taking about people who basically write gibberish.
 
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That's not what my statement is addressing. I'm taking about people who basically write gibberish.

Your opinion is respected

Please answer my question to you so I understand your opinions better as your posts are not clear on what you believe about the end of time
 
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Your opinion is respected

Please answer my question to you so I understand your opinions better as your posts are not clear on what you believe about the end of time

My beliefs regarding eschatology are ambivalent and have absolutely nothing to do with my post. I've seen both sides presented by people who don't do the cryptic mystical special vison routine. I can't even understand what the mystics are talking about, so it's not a matter where bias would be involved.
 
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