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Nope. He wrote, "SOME THINGS HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD". Some things not all the things Paul wrote. Paul wrote very plainly as well as he did when he said the Sabbath (written in the plural to cover all of them) was a shadow of something to come. Paul was right about that.

If you found Colossians 2:16-17 easy to understand you should not have any problems responding to the scriptures shared with you in post # 18 linked and post # 181 linked that show why your application of Colossians 2:16 without regard to context to the Feast days and the old testament scriptures Paul is referring to including the original Greek meaning of sabbaton application to Colossians 2:16-17 does not agree with your interpretation of these scriptures. Your unwillingness to discuss these posts only shows this is not an easy passage of scripture to understand in regards to what Paul is talking about here and comes under Peters warning of 2 Peter 3:15-16. It is not a simple as you think it is dear friend.

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Blueletterbible:

The dative case shows the relationship of an indirect object to a verb, often found inside a prepositional phrase.

The genitive case refers to the case used for a noun, pronoun, or adjective to show ownership.

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Here is example of a Saturday Sabbath and it is Noun - Genitive Plural Neuter just as it is in Colossians 2:16. Even though it's plural, it does not means dayS but a single Sabbath day, a Saturday.

Correct! But this shows that the genitive neuter plural application is in ownership to sabbaton means plural application to sabbaton translated as sabbaths and no one has said to you that the Greek here means [days] which is a supplied word by the translators in some English translations. That said the sabbaths being referring to in the annual Feasts were indeed [days] so I have no problem with these translations, that provide this in the English, though technically sabbaths plural is the most accurate translation from Greek to English. As posted earlier the scriptures you have provided with application to plural sabbaths in Matthew 12:1 and Matthew 28:1 only proves what I have been sharing with you from the scriptures already in regards to the annual sabbaths in the Feast days in post # 18 linked and post # 181 linked which is the context to Colossians 2:16-17

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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Sabbath was one of many things that were shadows of things to come which means they would be fulfilled and replaced with something much greater.
Context. We have been buried and risen with Jesus through Faith in the operation of God, forgiven of all trespasses. So the handwriting of ordinances that addressed when we sinned were blotted out. That is the sacrifices and ceremonies that prefigured Christ's mission in respect to when we sinned, those penned, HANDWRITTEN by Moses in the Book of the Law they were blotted out. Not the moral law and certainly not the Ten Commandments.

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 
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Bob, the scriptures provided in post # 148 are not blah, blah, blah. They demonstrated that your interpretation of 2 Corinthians 3 was not saying that Gods' 10 commandments were abolished they were showing from the scripture contexts that it is the ministration of condemnation and death that is abolished through the ministration of the Spirit under the new covenant through forgiveness in Christ. What was it in the linked post above that you disagree with and why? As posted and shown through the scriptures in the linked post above it is the "ministration of condemnation and death" that has been abolished in the ministration of the spirit through Gods grace, love, mercy and forgiveness for sinners not God's 10 commandments that Paul calls holy, just and good and gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. Gods Word does not teach lawlessness (without law). Your questions were answered. It is not God's 10 commandments that are abolished but the ministration of condemnation and death through the ministration of the Spirit of God's forgiveness through Christ's sacrifice for the sins of the world through the ministration of the Spirit under Gods' new covenant of grace.

Take Care Bob.
I read the previous post you wrote in answer to my post and once again you post the same blah none of which answers any of the questions I asked in the post and directed solely to you for answers. Instead of having you to have to go back to those questions I will post them again for your convenience. LGW, What does transitory mean? In verses 7-11 what is it that was glorious? What does "for what was glorious has NO glory now" mean? In Gal 3:19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. Why would Paul write that the Law, which included the ten commandments, ended with the coming of Jesus? It is certainly confirming what he wrote in 2Cor 3 is it not.

To add to those questions why did Paul write in Eph 2: 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace?

And another question while I am at it. Jesus words in Matt 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished yet since you don't believe all has been accomplished you have discarded much of the Law. Where do you get your permission to disregard all the commands that would pertain to you?
 
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I read the previous post you wrote in answer to my post and once again you post the same blah none of which answers any of the questions I asked in the post and directed solely to you for answers. Instead of having you to have to go back to those questions I will post them again for your convenience. LGW, What does transitory mean? In verses 7-11 what is it that was glorious? What does "for what was glorious has NO glory now" mean? In Gal 3:19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. Why would Paul write that the Law, which included the ten commandments, ended with the coming of Jesus? It is certainly confirming what he wrote in 2Cor 3 is it not.

To add to those questions why did Paul write in Eph 2: 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace?

And another question while I am at it. Jesus words in Matt 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished yet since you don't believe all has been accomplished you have discarded much of the Law. Where do you get your permission to disregard all the commands that would pertain to you?

Already addressed in detail in post # 148 linked. What is it that you do not believe from the scriptures posted there Bob that shows your teachings of lawlessness (without law) is not biblical? As shown through the scriptures in the linked post above, it is not God's 10 commandments that are abolished but the ministration of condemnation and death through the ministration of the Spirit of God's forgiveness through Christ's sacrifice for the sins of the world under Gods' new covenant of grace. God's Word does not teach lawlessness (without law) because without the law we have no knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. God's law is what lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith (Galatians 3:22-25). If you understand this you will understand the meaning of the very words of Jesus in Matthew 9:12-13. Do you know what Jesus is saying here Bob? The rest of your post as to what I believe or have said is not true so I feel no need to respond to it.

Take Care Bob.
 
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Already addressed in detail in post # 148 linked. What is it that you do not believe from the scriptures posted there Bob that shows your teachings of lawlessness (without law) is not biblical?
Just be kind and answer each one of them as posted once more. I must have missed your answers in your long drawn-out repetitive post.
 
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Just be kind and answer each one of them as posted once more. I must have missed you answers in your long drawn-out repetitive post.
Take you time and re-read what has been posted to you. There is no hurry. If you do not understand what is shared with you from the scriptures in post # 148 linked your welcome to ask questions for clarification. This is why I have asked you a few times now what is it that you disagree with in the scriptures provided in the linked post above.
 
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Take you time and re-read what has been posted to you. There is no hurry. If you do not understand what is shared with you from the scriptures in post # 148 linked your welcome to ask questions for clarification.
So, in your post you answered what the word transitory means? Where?
To what did "glorious" refer?
 
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Just be kind and re-answer my questions without all the other "stuff".
Answer what. I answered you plainly with scripture. It is the ministration of condemnation and death that is done away through the ministration of God's grace and forgiveness through Christs sacrifice for the sins of the world under Gods' new covenant promise and ministration through the Spirit. Not God's 10 Commandments that Paul says is holy just and good *Romans 7:12 that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25. (detailed scripture response provided in post # 148 linked)
 
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Why are you so opposed to just plan answers to my questions? Just start with the first one and work your way through the list. Pretty simple isn't it?
I am not opposed to answering anything. Why are you not able to tell me what you disagree with in the scriptures and post provided to you in post # 148 linked that shows that 2 Corinthians 3 is not talking about abolishing Gods' 10 commandments?
 
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Do you feel like you are above giving plain answers to questions we have concerning what you post?.
No I like to give detailed scriptures responses because I LoveGodsWord (excuse the pun) :).
Now what is it that you disagree with in my original scripture response to you in regards to 2 Corinthians 3 that shows that it is the ministration of condemnation and death that is abolished through the ministration of the Spirit of Gods grace and forgiveness in the sacrifice of Gods' dear son under God's new covenant promise and not Gods 10 commandments as shown in post # 148 linked?
 
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So much dancing and sidestepping.
Agree, and yet not one scripture showing God blessed and sanctified the first day. Not one scripture in the entire bible where God tells us the first day is the holy day to Him and for us to keep holy the first day. Not one scripture where it is a commandment from God or the day Jesus went to Temple as His custom reading the Word of God. You would think with this much discussion on God's holy day there would be something.

God tells us He changes not and asked us to Remember the Holy day of the Lord thy God, the seventh day Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-11 I choose to believe God.
 
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No I like to give detailed scriptures responses because I LoveGodsWord (excuse the pun) :).
Now what is it that you disagree with in my original scripture response to you in regards to 2 Corinthians 3 that shows that it is the ministration of condemnation and death that is abolished through the ministration of the Spirit of Gods grace and forgiveness in the sacrifice of Gods' dear son under God's new covenant promise and not Gods 10 commandments as shown in post # 148 linked?
Still no answers, same ol rhetoric. notice from below I had asked a few more questions that you have probably overlooked.

LGW, What does transitory mean? In verses 7-11 what is it that was glorious? What does "for what was glorious has NO glory now" mean? In Gal 3:19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. Why would Paul write that the Law, which included the ten commandments, ended with the coming of Jesus? It is certainly confirming what he wrote in 2Cor 3 is it not.

To add to those questions why did Paul write in Eph 2: 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace?

And another question while I am at it. Jesus words in Matt 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished yet since you don't believe all has been accomplished you have discarded much of the Law. Where do you get your permission to disregard all the commands that would pertain to you?

You have been given the opportunity to clear up what you write in your posts as truth. Why do you refuse to jump at the chance to let us get a clear understanding and not of unrelated verses that do nothing to clarify the subject? Are you afraid if you answer the questions, it will make your posts become untruths as to the real meaning of 2Cor3:6-11?
 
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