Satan's Throne

Just The Facts · Oct 3, 2021

Hello All

So where does Scripture say Satan's Throne Is?

[2] And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.

So that is the question where is Satan's Throne?

Abaxvahl · Oct 3, 2021

Just The Facts said:
Hello All

So where does Scripture say Satan's Throne Is?

[2] And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.

So that is the question where is Satan's Throne?

It's just a symbol of his dominion I think. He doesn't have a body so would not have a physical throne. Wherever you see people giving themselves over to evil there would be his dominion.

Br4nd0n · Oct 3, 2021

I dont have a biblical answer. But according to one mans near death experience its underground and its not a throne per se, but a pile of gold. He came back and he follows Christ of course. It was on one of those TV shows where people give there accounts of NDEs

Freth · Oct 3, 2021

Just The Facts said:
Hello All

So where does Scripture say Satan's Throne Is?

[2] And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.

So that is the question where is Satan's Throne?

The dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Satan is already the prince of this world (John 12:31, Ephesians 2:2). It is the beast (that rises out of the sea; Revelation 13:1) that the dragon gave power, his seat and great authority.

The beast's description (that rises out of the sea) shows its lineage, starting with Babylon. It's why Revelation 17:5 refers to Mystery Babylon (spiritual Babylon).

Mouth of a lion (Babylon)
Feet of a bear (Media-Persia)
Leopard (Greece)
What kingdom came after Greece?

Daniel saw four beasts, each described as a lion, a bear, a leopard and a dreadful and terrible beast, out of which the little horn would arise (Daniel 7); a different kingdom from the others, the little horn would be one that speaks words against the most High (Daniel 7:25).

The little horn had received a deadly wound that would be healed; the beast that rises out of the sea is none other than the little horn that Daniel saw. The beast that rises out of the earth joins with the beast that rises out of the sea to bring forth worship of the beast and the mark.

If you deduce the fourth kingdom, it's just one more step forward to the seat of the beast that rises out of the sea, then the final piece of the puzzle is the kingdom that rises out of the earth and assists the first beast in healing its wound and coming to full power again. This prophecy is in the final stages of being fulfilled right now. Keep in mind that these are principalities and powers (Ephesians 6:12), not individual people.

Just The Facts · Oct 3, 2021

Hi Aba

Abaxvahl said:
It's just a symbol of his dominion I think. He doesn't have a body so would not have a physical throne. Wherever you see people giving themselves over to evil there would be his dominion.

No It is a city a real place and scripture does tell us where it is.

And for all you Catholic Church Bashers out there NO it is Not Rome

3 Resurrections · Oct 3, 2021

Just The Facts said:
So where does Scripture say Satan's Throne Is?

Scripture gives us the answer to this in Revelation 2:13. The "seat" or "throne" of Satan (aka, the Dragon), was in the city of Pergamos. This was the 40' tall altar in the temple of Zeus that was high on top of a mountain in Pergamos. The faithful Antipas was martyred on this altar in Pergamos, as Christ testified in Revelation 2:13.

This "throne" of Satan in Pergamos was earlier given to the Roman Republic in 133 BC by the dying King Attalus III, who had no heir to whom he could pass his kingdom. So, to keep his idol-worshipping Pergamum kingdom from being fractured into pieces by warring rival powers, he decided to pass his entire kingdom, including that throne in the capital city of Pergamos, to his ally the Roman Republic. This was duly recorded in the Senate.

Since that "seat" or "throne" of Satan was given to the Roman Republic, this proves that the Sea Beast of Revelation 13, who was given Satan's "seat" or "throne", was linked with the identity of the ancient Roman Republic in the time period John was writing. It is NOT a prophecy that is to be fulfilled in our future.

Just The Facts · Oct 3, 2021

Hello 3

3 Resurrections said:
Scripture gives us the answer to this in Revelation 2:13. The "seat" or "throne" of Satan (aka, the Dragon), was in the city of Pergamos. This was the 40' tall altar in the temple of Zeus that was high on top of a mountain in Pergamos. The faithful Antipas was martyred on this altar in Pergamos, as Christ testified in Revelation 2:13.

We have a winner Yeahhhhh!!!!!!!!!

SO WHY is it in Pergamos? That becomes the next question!!! There was a Alter to Zeus.......yes the supposed King of Heaven Zeus to the Greeks................ Jupiter to The Romans.................and Baal to The people of Tyre.......... there was also two other Alters in that Complex!!!!! Who were they to and For.................. Why don't I just say because I want you to find out for yourself.

Just The Facts · Oct 5, 2021

Hello All

So No one wants to investigate and answer pity. Well here is the answer for anyone who wants to read and learn something. You will learn why Jesus called it Satan's Throne. We know Satan is the Prince of this world Well Royalty needs a Throne to rule from. Also you will see where the harlot moved from and to and took her seat on the Beast. From here she would Spread and Fornicate with All The Kingdoms on the Whole Earth.

So In this Map of the Temple Site we see Alter to Zeus and Athena and The Temple to the Emperor. So this is why Jesus calls this the Throne of Satan This is the Seat that is Given to the First Beast in Rev 13. The First Temple of The Emperor Cult was in about 30BC for Augustus

[2] with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth have become drunk." [3] And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns.[4] The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication;

The harlot Rides this Beast on Her Mission of Conquest and Corruption with all the Kingdoms of the Earth. From Here is Asia Minor She will Spread Around the World riding on and controlling the military and economic power of the Beast.

So now the question is How do we go From the False Trinity of The Father God Zeus, The The Virgin Goddess Athena and the Son Dionysius. These are the Greek Names Baal Astarte Melqart are the Phoenician Names, Saturn Jupiter and Juno for Rome. While minor difference. They all had a Common theme through them The Father God Married or just slept with his Sister and Had a Son who very often Was the Father Reincarnated after his murder. This Triad of Father Mother Son is the hallmark of the Mystery Religion. Both the Son God and the Goddess were Gods of War and Victory. The Empire counted on them To Lead them into and ensure Victory in battle.

This was Rome at 30 AD The Emperor was The God above All other Gods you could worship any God you wanted but You had to Worship the Emperor or Death was your other choice. Slowly as the centuries wore on the lines started to blur in 218 AD Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Introduced the God known as Elagabalus AKA Mithra an Indo Syrian Sun God. He was Combined With Jupiter as to Not Offend Romans and Given Astarte as his consort. Elagabalus was originally of Hittite Origins and Actually goes back to Phoenicia where he was Baal which was why he was teamed up in Rome with Astarte Because Astarte was Baals Consort.

So By 225 AD the Roman Godhead looked like this. There Was Saturn the Father God his festival was Saturnalia in the third Week of December from the 17th to the 24th when Everyone went around visited Family and Friends and Exchanged Gifts and partied. The Festival Ended on December 25th Which Was the Son God's Mithras /Jupiter's Birthday. All sounding familiar and I am sure you have heard it all before. This is not about the changing of Pagan Festivals to Christian Themes though. We are talking about the slow migration of the Roman Triune Godhead to a close yet opposite imitation of Christianity's God Head

The real Difference was that Christianity was a religion of peace and Love with Christians unwilling to serve in Government or the Legions and The Roman State religion was a Trinity of War and Conquest and Victory in Which Serving in the Legions was the path To Wealth and Power.

When Constantine Came to Power He was a devote Follower of the Cult of Mithra as were the vast majority of the Legions. He dedicated Coinage even After his Conversion to Christianity to Mithra The Unconquerable Sun God.

Mithra Temple was A Fortress and he was indeed a God Roman Father Knew Not. Although Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus had tried too combine this into The Roman Godhead it did not last and increasingly through the Late 3rd Century the Emperors all Worshipped Saturn Mithra and his consort Astarte.

And that is How the Mystery Religion of Babylon Moved from Babylon To Tyre .... Tyre To Kittim / Rome at Pergamon the Seat Where Satan's Throne is. From There it spread throughout the Elite of Rome especially through the Legions and by the time of Constantine it was poised to Switch the nature the very soul of Christianity.

From a Religion of peace and turning the other check forgive your enemy. To A Religion of Honoring War and Conquest Slavery, Greed and Power. Riding the Beast from Where Satan's Throne is.

And that so ends this Historical look on Why Satan's Throne is at Pergamos, and why it is important to understand

3 Resurrections · Oct 5, 2021

Hi Just The Facts,

I had a feeling you were going to pursue a connection between the Harlot riding the Beast and this throne of Satan, but actually that is a connection that can't be made. That is because the Scarlet Beast which the Harlot was riding upon was "about to...go into destruction" (Rev. 17:8) in John's days when he was writing Revelation. But before the Scarlet Beast went into destruction in that first-century generation, the ten horns upon that Beast would destroy the Harlot herself, as Revelation 17:16 says.

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."

So, even before that Scarlet Beast was about to be destroyed in John's generation, it would itself destroy the Harlot riding on its back. This means there cannot be a long-term prophecy for the Harlot's existence. Or the Scarlet Beast either. Neither of these exist anymore, and haven't for a very long time.

Moreover, that Harlot is defined for us by the angelic interpreter, who called her "That great city". This definition prevents us from going off in left field with a variety of suggested meanings. It's a literal city. A particular city which was guilty of the blood of the prophets and the saints and those slain upon the earth, as proved by Revelation 18:24. Christ already told us just which city that was, and it was Old Covenant Jerusalem, as He said in Matthew 23:34-37.

Even though we differ on the Harlot's definition, I am glad we can agree that Pergamos was where Satan's throne was located, and that the word "Kittim" applied to ancient Rome. Not everybody catches that.

honey badger · Oct 5, 2021

Just The Facts said:
Hello All

So where does Scripture say Satan's Throne Is?

[2] And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.

So that is the question where is Satan's Throne?

Jerusalem

Just The Facts · Oct 5, 2021

Hi Honey

No Pergamon as stated in Revelation 2:

Just The Facts · Oct 5, 2021

Hi 3

3 Resurrections said:
I had a feeling you were going to pursue a connection between the Harlot riding the Beast and this throne of Satan, but actually that is a connection that can't be made. That is because the Scarlet Beast which the Harlot was riding upon was "about to...go into destruction" (Rev. 17:8) in John's days when he was writing Revelation. But before the Scarlet Beast went into destruction in that first-century generation, the ten horns upon that Beast would destroy the Harlot herself, as Revelation 17:16 says.

No John is carried away to the end of the harlot. It is not about to Go to Destruction in John's day. It Goes to Destruction Just before the Day of The Lord.

[24] And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth."

Preterist and many Amills try and use this to say it was Jerusalem because Jerusalem Killed The Prophets. I find this ironic since everything else to them is Spiritualized Holy Jerusalem in Rv:21 etc etc. Yet this one is a real city.

Is Jerusalem responsible for ALL WHO HAVE BEEN SLAIN ON THE EARTH.

As I pointed out is a previous Thread a Woman or in Prophecy is the Symbol for A Religious System. Which can also encompass Economic Aspects.

[15] And he said to me, "The waters that you saw, where the harlot is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.

This verse shows this is not one city but rather a Belief System.

So how do we know when the harlot is Burned and Destroyed???? Well that is easy to figure out.

[16] And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the harlot; they will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire,

So the Beast destroys the harlot and Burns the institutions of this Religion to the ground.

This does not give us a date when it happens but it tells us what MUST HAPPEN FIRST.

[8] The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is to ascend from the bottomless pit and go to perdition;

The Beast is currently in the Pit He can not destroy the harlot Until he gets Out.

The Pit is not open until the Fifth Trumpet.

So unless you believe the first four trumpets have sounded then the harlot is still with us.

3 Resurrections · Oct 6, 2021

Just The Facts said:
So unless you believe the first four trumpets have sounded then the harlot is still with us.

All seven of the trumpets have sounded, according to John's interpreting angel who said all the revealed prophecies he had given were "at hand" in those days. (Revelation 1:3 and Revelation 22:10).

The translations you are using to describe the activities of the Scarlet Beast and of the Harlot who rides it do not pay attention to the Greek term "mello", which indicates the time when that Scarlet Beast was going to arise - in John's days. John said that the Scarlet Beast "is about to (mellei) arise from the abyss and go into destruction."

If I said "I am about to get up and go to work", you would have no problem with thinking that both of those activities were soon going to happen, and in rapid sequence to each other. Same thing here in Revelation 17:8. That Scarlet Beast was "about to (mellei) arise out of the abyss and go into destruction". Meaning that BOTH of those things would happen soon in rapid sequence to each other for John's generation. And since the ten horns on that Scarlet Beast were going to destroy the Harlot before it was "about to go into destruction", then that eliminated the Harlot during the same time period.

Just The Facts said:
[15] And he said to me, "The waters that you saw, where the harlot is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.

This verse shows this is not one city but rather a Belief System.

Those symbolic "waters" of multi-nation individuals were typical of Jerusalem's importance in those first-century days, because the city was the focal point of the Jewish religion, where Jews and proselytes from every nation, people, and tongue converged to celebrate the required Jewish festivals. On Pentecost in Acts, we have a list of every nation who had some of their citizens present on that year's Pentecost Day. You could call it a "belief system" if you want, but it was the Jewish religious system in particular.

Just The Facts said:
[24] And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth."

Preterist and many Amills try and use this to say it was Jerusalem because Jerusalem Killed The Prophets. I find this ironic since everything else to them is Spiritualized Holy Jerusalem in Rv:21 etc etc. Yet this one is a real city.

This is exactly the way Paul compared the two cities in his allegory of Hagar and Sarah, compared to the Old Jerusalem which was in bondage with her children, and the New Jerusalem which was from above, which is the mother of us all. The Old Jerusalem was a physical city which was going to be "cast out", just like Hagar. The New Jerusalem from above is a spiritual city, according to Paul in Galatians 4:25-31.

Just The Facts said:
Is Jerusalem responsible for ALL WHO HAVE BEEN SLAIN ON THE EARTH.

Yes, that is what Christ said about Old Jerusalem, which had typically been guilty of slaying the prophets and wise men sent to her throughout its history. If Jerusalem betrayed and murdered their promised Messiah, then in effect they were responsible for killing every righteous person who was "IN CHRIST". If a visiting ambassador from another country is slain, that offense is the equivalent of declaring war on the whole nation which that ambassador represents. This was a curse that the high priests called down on their own heads by saying "His blood be on us and on our children."

honey badger · Oct 6, 2021

Just The Facts said:
Hi Honey

No Pergamon as stated in Revelation 2:

Christ Jesus is the Antipas ( faithful witness ) antee meaning in place of and pas meaning father and the great city where he was crucified is Jerusalem, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt and when Peter referred to "the church which is at Babylon" he was referring to Jerusalem ...

Just The Facts · Oct 7, 2021

Hi 3

3 Resurrections said:
Those symbolic "waters" of multi-nation individuals were typical of Jerusalem's importance in those first-century days, because the city was the focal point of the Jewish religion, where Jews and proselytes from every nation, people, and tongue converged to celebrate the required Jewish festivals. On Pentecost in Acts, we have a list of every nation who had some of their citizens present on that year's Pentecost Day. You could call it a "belief system" if you want, but it was the Jewish religious system in particular.

Sorry but that is just nonsense Judea was a back water nothing that no one in John's day even cared about except the Jews. To the Romans it was just a pain in the behind. While it was on the land route to Egypt it matter not to Rome 99% of its grain came by ship. During the 300 plus years of The Seleucid and Egyptian Ptolemaic Empire. Judea was just a piece of land in the middle that neither really cared about or paid much attention to.

3 Resurrections said:
Yes, that is what Christ said about Old Jerusalem, which had typically been guilty of slaying the prophets and wise men sent to her throughout its history. If Jerusalem betrayed and murdered their promised Messiah, then in effect they were responsible for killing every righteous person who was "IN CHRIST". If a visiting ambassador from another country is slain, that offense is the equivalent of declaring war on the whole nation which that ambassador represents. This was a curse that the high priests called down on their own heads by saying "His blood be on us and on our children."

You are just so lost as to what is being said here in the Statement "all who have been slain on the earth" You are lost because you refuse to accept the truth that is right before your eyes in Scripture.

This whole doctrine that preterist and Amill teach that Satan is bound and can deceive the Nations means that Satan can not stop the Gospel is just plain nonsense and comes about because people refuse to accept the Plain words of God.

The reason the Great harlot (False Religion) is responsible for all who are Slain goes all the way Back to the Garden of Eden. Your error in Doctrine starts there and gets worse as you move through Scripture.

[2] And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, [3] and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended.

This has nothing to do with the Gospel being spread to the nations that whole doctrine is just that, a Doctrine of Men, not the world of God. Jesus tells us what Satan's Deception of the Nations is 4 verses later.

[7] And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison. [8] and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle;

There is what Jesus says is the deception of the Nations. This statement is not just in Revelation 20.

Isa:2:[2] It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be raised above the hills; and all the nations shall flow to it, (all this is RV21)[3] and many peoples shall come, and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. [4] He shall judge between the nations, (Mt: 25:32) and shall decide for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

As we can See in that Great Day The Nations shall be Taught Jesus' way ie: The Prince of Peace. Satan is Bound and can no longer deceive the Nations to learn war to Gather them for Battle.

"All who have been slain on earth" is a direct reference to this truth. In The Garden The Forbidden Knowledge taught to Mankind is going to war among other things but this is predominant through out Scripture. The harlot False Satanic Teachings Taught Mankind war and "all that have been slain" is blood on her hands.

Armageddon is the "final battle between Good and Evil

Rv 16:[13] And I saw, issuing from the mouth of the dragon and from the mouth of the beast and from the mouth of the false prophet, three foul spirits like frogs; [14] for they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle.

Feel free to believe your doctrine of Men I choose to believe the very plain words of God.

Look at this Battle............one side we have

[6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

On the Other Side we Have

[38] He shall honor the god of Forces instead of these; a god whom his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.

What Does this God Do and who is He. Well like all Man Made God's he is part of the Lie of Satan to the Nations which as Jesus says is To gather them to Battle. So he is the God of War. Look at all the False Gods Zeus Baal Apollo Astarte all Gods of War.

The teachings of one is to Gather Nations to Battle to Honour War

The Teachings of the Other is that of learning War no More the Prince of Peace.

One is a Dragon
One is a Lamb

So which of these Two adversaries do you think appeared in the Clouds to Constantine as a Angel of Light and Told him to Paint Signs on his Soldiers Shields before Battle and to Conquer in this Sign.

a. The Prince of Peace
b. The God of War

Priests Bishops Popes all Carrying the sign in front of the Armies of Roman Christianity blessing the soldiers before Battle. Often blessing Soldiers on both sides of the field .

Who do the Nations Honour Today

a. The Prince of Peace
b. The God of War

Please I beg you trust the Word of The Lamb The Prince of Peace

JulieB67 · Oct 7, 2021

Satan's" future" throne on earth will be in Jerusalem. He will be here "instead of Christ" proclaiming to be God himself. Paul says he will be disguised as an angel of light. He will bring peace (fake) and prosperity and the whole world will wonder after him. Paul says people will be thinking peace and safety and them bam, the real Christ returns and people will be praying for mountains to fall on them at that point. The armour that should be in place is to fight this wickedness, that's how good he will be and the entire world will wonder after him.

First documentaion of where he will sit is in Isaiah 14,

Isaiah 14:13 "For thou hast said in thine heart, `I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:" This is without a doubt Jersalem as we can see by this verse,

Psalms 48:2 "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, Is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, The city of the great King.

Isaiah 14:14 "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the MOST HIGH.

Again, he will sit on the temple mount proclaiming to be God. These verses mirror Paul who is a second witness to this fact.

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." Neither of these verses has happened yet.

Paul says specifically he will be disguised as an angel of light and Revelation states he had horns like a lamb (mirroring Christ) but spoke as a dragon- Satan. And if you have to put on a disguise, people of course will see you. And they will worship you. Because they would rather believe the lie than accept the love of the truth. That's why the parable of the 10 virgins who were waiting on Christ failed, they didn't have enough oil, etc.

That's the ultimate deception that will come over the entire world and why Christ states he comes at an hour most do not expect. Satan will be here first at the 6th and Christ returns at the 7th.

Just The Facts · Oct 7, 2021

Hello Julie

JulieB67 said:
Satan's" future" throne on earth will be in Jerusalem.

Agree

JulieB67 said:
He will be here "instead of Christ" proclaiming to be God himself. Paul says he will be disguised as an angel of light. He will bring peace (fake) and prosperity and the whole world will wonder after him.

Agree

JulieB67 said:
Paul says specifically he will be disguised as an angel of light and Revelation states he had horns like a lamb (mirroring Christ) but spoke as a dragon- Satan. And if you have to put on a disguise, people of course will see you. And they will worship you. Because they would rather believe the lie than accept the love of the truth. That's why the parable of the 10 virgins who were waiting on Christ failed, they didn't have enough oil, etc.

I see the 10 virgins as Ten Churches but I agree

JulieB67 said:
Satan will be here first at the 6th and Christ returns at the 7th.

The Two horned Lamb comes when the pit is open at the fifth seal

3 Resurrections · Oct 7, 2021

Just The Facts said:
This whole doctrine that preterist and Amill teach that Satan is bound and can deceive the Nations means that Satan can not stop the Gospel is just plain nonsense and comes about because people refuse to accept the Plain words of God.

This is not my view at all. Satan is not presently bound. He's destroyed utterly, although the effect of his original actions against Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden still lingers in the hearts of fallen mankind. I believe that Paul meant what he said when he wrote to the Roman believers in Romans 16:20, "And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly". That was their generation, and those saints of the first century in particular who would see Satan's destruction take place. Why do you think that John in Revelation 12:12 told his own readers of that day that Satan had already come down unto them in great wrath, knowing he had only a "short time" left to operate in this world at that time?

Satan has no throne anymore, and he hasn't had one since he was thrown into Jerusalem's Lake of Fire in the AD 70 era. Satan as the "Prince of the power of the air" experienced judgment when the 7th angel pour out a vial of judgment into that air (Revelation 16:17). It was at that time when Christ confiscated all Satan's kingdom powers in this world. The "King of kings and Lord of lords" is now wearing all those many crowns (Rev. 19:12) that Satan once claimed he had back in Luke 4:5-6. I can know that this is already accomplished, because John's interpreting angel told us that those prophecies of the future were then "AT HAND" in those days (Rev. 1:3 and Rev. 22:10). And these are "the very plain words of God".

Any deception of the nations at present takes place because of the natural deception that lies within the hearts of men themselves (Jeremiah 17:9, and James 1:14, 4:1). Which is actually worse than Satan's deception when we delude our own selves.

Just The Facts said:
Sorry but that is just nonsense Judea was a back water nothing that no one in John's day even cared about except the Jews.

I'm also sorry, but that is not true. Nero's own wife Poppaea was a Jewish sympathizer, and received Josephus graciously in his AD 63 trip to Rome when he came to ask for the release of some priests from imperial custody. They were released, and Josephus was given many gifts also as a mark of imperial favor.

Jerusalem's Temple was filled with treasures as gifts of homage which had been coming from the nations in the known world for many years in John's days. If Judea were not of any concern to the Roman empire, they would not have done their utmost to quell revolution in this country. Judea was the "miry clay" which was mixed with the "iron" of the Roman empire, but which never blended together well.

Antiochus Epiphanes must have also given a great deal of thought to Judea, or he would not have labored so extensively to squash the Jewish religion, and to do battle with the Maccabean forces.

Just The Facts · Oct 7, 2021

Hello 3 Res

I respect you have your belief. I think we are just too far apart in our views to have a basis for a meaningful discourse. Peace to You my Friend in Christ

Berean Tim · Oct 8, 2021

Just The Facts said:
Hello All

So where does Scripture say Satan's Throne Is?

[2] And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.

So that is the question where is Satan's Throne?

12“And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: ‘The words of him who has the sharp two-edged sword.

13“‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. Yet you hold fast my name, and you did not deny my faithb even in the days of Antipas my faithful witness, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells

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