Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

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Where are the new moon festivals written in the Ten Commandments?
Aw, come on!
You guys claim that this verse below in Isaiah declares Sabbath observance in the future. But it is tied to the New Moon festival, which you don't keep. And it comes up again in Colossians. (being observed, obviously)

Isaiah 66:23 NIV
From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord.

Colossians 2:16 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
 
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Aw, come on!
You guys claim that this verse below in Isaiah declares Sabbath observance in the future. But it is tied to the New Moon festival, which you don't keep. And it comes up again in Colossians. (being observed, obviously)

Isaiah 66:23 NIV
From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord.

Colossians 2:16 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.


A new moon is the begging of the month and if you note from the very scripture you quote is says from one New Moon to another.

Col 2:16 talks about a New Moon Celebration which is not the same as a New Moon. Isaiah 66:23 does not use the Word celebration - what Colossians 2:16 is referring to is the annual a sabbath(s) festivals which is about food and drink. There is nothing in the Ten Commandments about food or drink so you are mixing two things and trying to make it say what it does not. Which is why the Sabbath is mentioned as a commandment after Jesus died and Jesus references that it will be kept after He goes back to heaven. Plus we will be worshipping our Lord and Savior on His holy day for eternity Isaiah 66:23
 
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Oy vey, so much proselytizing.
Do you have any scripture to offer that supports any of your posts? I would be more interested in that than the constant digs, but if that brings you joy instead of sharing the Word of God so be it.
 
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Are you saying you are not part of the Second Covenant either?
Second covenant?
Is that an agreement that the covenant of the TCs is no longer valid? (not for us in the first place)

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But, who was that covenant with? (not us)

Deuteronomy 5:3 NIV
It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.
 
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I already know what the response to those will be, because I've already seen it before. I just don't know which one will give it.
Matters not.
We need to call them out on this nonsense.

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There it is, the term "shadow law".
As if the law can be divided up between "shadow laws" and... not "shadow laws".

This is a doctrinal workaround on your part to deal with these scriptures below. Which say "the law" (the whole law) with no qualifying, or limiting in what the Bible says, that you say we should not change (by adding or subtracting). For shame.

Hebrews 10:1 NIV
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.

Or this one.

Colossians 2:16-17 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
 
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Do you have any scripture to offer that supports any of your posts? I would be more interested in that than the constant digs, but if that brings you joy instead of sharing the Word of God so be it.

Why do you and LoveGodsWord sound so very much alike? Seriously.
 
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I agree that the the Sabbath points backward to creation, not the other way around. This does not help your case.

To help your case, you need to emphasize that creation points to the Sabbath. (but that might be dishonest) Would the end justify the means? - lol

Sabbath started at Creation (my guess before that in Heaven because it is the holy day of the Lord thy God)

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Almost the same verbiage from the 4th commandment:

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God had an ark of the Covenant on Earth that held the Ten Commandments that God personally wrote with His own hand and stored in the Most Holy of God’s Temple

God has a Temple in heaven which also has the ark of The Covenant. Do you really think the Ten Commandments are not stored in God’s heavenly Temple? Revelations 11:19

Lucifer was thrown out of heaven because He sinned. Where there is no law there is no sin, so God has laws in Heaven. Romans 4:15 God’s law written by God is eternal and God’s will for us.

Psalms 40:8. I delight to do Your will, O my God, And Your law is within my heart.”

God’s law is now written in the heart and the mind Jer 31:33 and our bodies are the Temple for the Holy Spirit which is given to those who obey. John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32

God bless
 
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That’s weird, than why would Jesus and the disciples keep the Sabbath if it ended the minute He came?
There is no basis for that claim from a spiritual perspective, only a cultural perspective.

I asked you to show me Jesus teaching on the Sabbath. Where is it?

I see him deconstructing the law as he went. (he even calls it hearsay in the Sermon on the Mount) And the Bible tells us the law was done at the arrival of the forerunner. Until John? Then what?

Matthew 11:13 NIV
For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
 
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Why do you and LoveGodsWord sound so very much alike? Seriously.
We don’t. @LoveGodsWord is much more detailed than I am. We both quote from scripture and maybe try prayerfully reading the scriptures yourself and earnestly seeking the Holy Spirit to guide you in God’s truth and see what happens.
 
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There is no basis for that claim from a spiritual perspective, only a cultural perspective.

I asked you to show me Jesus teaching on the Sabbath. Where is it?

I see him deconstructing the law as he went. (he even calls it hearsay in the Sermon on the Mount) And the Bible tells us the law was done at the arrival of the forerunner. Until John? Then what?

Matthew 11:13 NIV
For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
Luke 4: 16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”

20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”
 
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Jesus being accused of breaking the Sabbath- why if there was no law?
Now that question warrants some discussion. Thanks.

As far as I can tell, the accusations had merit. And since we agree that Jesus did not sin, how can this be? Only if the law had been put aside. (as the Apostle Paul tells us)

Since you guys can't produce any scriptures showing Jesus teaching anyone to observe the Sabbath, you have to resort to "teaching by example", which has even less merit.
 
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A new moon is the begging of the month and if you note from the very scripture you quote is says from one New Moon to another.
Make your choice.
Does the Isaiah passage support future Sabbath observance, or does it mean from month to month and from week to week? Can't have it both ways.

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Aw, come on!
You guys claim that this verse below in Isaiah declares Sabbath observance in the future. But it is tied to the New Moon festival, which you don't keep. And it comes up again in Colossians. (being observed, obviously)

Isaiah 66:23 NIV
From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord.

Colossians 2:16 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
 
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Now that question warrants some discussion. Thanks.

As far as I can tell, the accusations had merit. And since we agree that Jesus did not sin, how can this be? Only if the law had been put aside. (as the Apostle Paul tells us)

Since you guys can't produce any scriptures showing Jesus teaching anyone to observe the Sabbath, you have to resort to "teaching by example", which has even less merit.
That’s your conclusion not from the Word of God because Jesus said:

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Jesus came to magnify His Fathers laws Isiah 42:21 , not destroy Matthew 5:17-30 God and Jesus are not at odds with each other and either are the laws.
 
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Make your choice.
Does the Isaiah passage support future Sabbath observance, or does it mean from month to month and from week to week? Can't have it both ways.

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Aw, come on!
You guys claim that this verse below in Isaiah declares Sabbath observance in the future. But it is tied to the New Moon festival, which you don't keep. And it comes up again in Colossians. (being observed, obviously)

Isaiah 66:23 NIV
From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord.

Colossians 2:16 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
You talking apples and oranges. It seems like no matter how many times it is explained to you you’re only interested in the answer you like so you do not have to worship our Lord and Savior on His holy day. That’s fine I am not the one we have to answer to, so instead of trying to defend your will, it is wiser to try to understand what these scriptures really mean. There’s a lot at stake Matthew 5:19
 
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Now that question warrants some discussion. Thanks.

As far as I can tell, the accusations had merit. And since we agree that Jesus did not sin, how can this be? Only if the law had been put aside. (as the Apostle Paul tells us)

Since you guys can't produce any scriptures showing Jesus teaching anyone to observe the Sabbath, you have to resort to "teaching by example", which has even less merit.

John 5:18 says flat out that he was breaking the sabbath. And who else knew Jesus better than John? But seeing as he pointed out that he is lord of the sabbath, he of course had the authority to do so.
 
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Luke 4: 16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”

20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”
You missed the punch line. They tried to kill him by throwing him off a cliff. Why?
Was it because of his sabbath-supportive teaching?

Luke 4:28-30 NIV
All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. 29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.
 
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There it is, the term "shadow law". As if the law can be divided up between "shadow laws" and... not "shadow laws". This is a doctrinal workaround on your part to deal with these scriptures below. Which say "the law" (the whole law) with no qualifying, or limiting in what the Bible says, that you say we should not change (by adding or subtracting). For shame.
Not really, dear friend. I believe that the shame is all your side for trying to teach a false doctrine of lawlessness that has it's origin in Universalism and Genesis 3:1-5 but allow me to show why from the scriptures why your teachings are not biblical once context is added back into the scriptures you have provided here because it is actually the context that your leaving out of these scriptures you provide here that determines subject matter, meaning and interpretation of the scriptures. Or exegesis (reading out of the scriptures) as opposed to eisegesis (reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach. I might brake this post down into two sections with a detailed scripture response to evaluate both scriptures you provide. Let's start in Hebrews... Part 1/2
Hebrews 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
According to the scriptures there are many different kinds of laws under the old covenant. For example, these included...

*God's 10 commandments *Exodus 20:1-17 spoken and written by God alone that was the work of God alone given to His people *Exodus 32:16;

*Laws for remission of sins which included the Levitical Priesthood, the earthly Sanctuary laws which was a copy of the heavenly, the laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings the laws for the annual festivals (e.g.Leviticus 1:1-17; Leviticus 2:1-16; Leviticus 3:1-17; Leviticus 4:1-35; Leviticus 5:1-19; Leviticus 6:1-30; Leviticus 7:1-38; Deuteronomy 16:16; Leviticus 23:4-44; Exodus 23:14-18; Leviticus 16:1-34; Leviticus 18:1-16; Leviticus 21:1-24; Leviticus 22:1-33; Leviticus 24:1-23; Exodus 25:1-40; Exodus 29:1-46; Exodus 21:18-19; Exodus 22:15-29; Deuteronomy 22:29; Deuteronomy 25:2-3; Deuteronomy 22:26; Deuteronomy 32:38; Exodus 22:27; Leviticus 19:26-31; Deuteronomy 18:11; Numbers 18:1-32; Number 19:1-22; Numbers 28:1-31; Numbers 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 12:1-32 etc etc),

*Civil laws for ISRAEL under the old covenant, health and hygiene laws (Deuteronomy 16:18; Deuteronomy 1:17; Leviticus 25:14; Exodus 22:9-14; Deuteronomy 7:3; Numbers 5:30; Deuteronomy 24:1-4; Deuteronomy 25:5-9; Deuteronomy 14:22; Leviticus 25:37; Deuteronomy 23:20; Exodus 22:24; Deuteronomy 24:10-17; Leviticus 19:35; Deuteronomy 25:13-14; Leviticus 19:13; Deuteronomy 23:25; Exodus 21:2-8; Leviticus 25:39-53; Deuteronomy 15:13-14; Leviticus 25:46; Numbers 27:8-11; Exodus 21:33-36; Exodus 22:4-27; Exodus 23:1; Deuteronomy 24:16; Leviticus 25:23-29; Deuteronomy 19:14; Exodus 21:20; Leviticus 26:25; Leviticus 20:10-14; Deuteronomy 21:23; Numbers 35:25; Deuteronomy 19:3; Deuteronomy 16:1-22; Deuteronomy 17:1-20; Deuteronomy 19:1-21; Deuteronomy 20:1-20; Deuteronomy 21:1-23 etc etc),

*Laws for health and hygiene (Leviticus 11:1-47; Deuteronomy 14:3-21; Exodus 23:19; Genesis 1:29; Leviticus 7:23-26; Leviticus 17:13; Leviticus 19:26; Deuteronomy 21:20; Leviticus 12:1-8; Leviticus 13:1-59; Leviticus 14:1-57; Leviticus 15:1-33; Deuteronomy 14:1-29 etc etc).

Now we have not even started talking about the laws of the blessings and the curses for obedience to God's law or disobedience to Gods' law (e.g Deuteronomy 28 etc). So in the old covenant there were indeed different laws that God gave for different purposes.

It is the laws for remission of sins that are the shadow laws that prophesied of the coming Christ and what Jesus was referring to when he says that the law and the prophets were until John because it was these laws that were the shadow pointing to Jesus as Gods' true sacrifice for the sins of the world *John 1:29; 36 and Jesus as our true great high Priest who ministers now on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary that the earthly was only a copy of the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lords pitched and not man based on better promises *Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-6.

The book of Hebrews is not divided in chapters it is one long epistle and teaching and teaches the what has been shared with you here in regards to the shadow laws for remission of sins being fulfilled in Christ. For example (please prayerfully read it for yourself), Hebrews 7:1-25 talks about is talking about the change of the Priesthood fulfilled in Christ as our true Great High Priest. Hebrews 8:1-13 show us that the earthly Sanctuary is only a copy of the heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man. Hebrews 9:1-27 shows us that Gods' true sacrifice for the sins of the world is fulfilled in Jesus, while Hebrews 10:1-22 is talking about the laws for remission of sins and animal sacrifices and sin offerings which is the subject chapter context and subject matter of the laws being discussed here where it is written...

HEBREWS 10:1-3 [1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, and not the very image of the things, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR CONTINUALLY MAKE THE COMERS THEREUNTO PERFECT. [2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3], BUT IN THOSE SACRIFICES THERE IS A REMEMBRANCE AGAIN MADE OF SINS EVERY YEAR.

Note: What is the law that is being referred to here that was a shadow of things to come? "CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR CONTINUALLY MAKE THE COMERS THEREUNTO PERFECT. So the the law being referred to here is not God's 10 commandments it is the Mosaic laws for remission of sins and animal sacrifices and sin offerings for atonement of sin under the old covenant. Context is to the day of Atonement.

HEBREWS 10:6-10 [6], In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you have had no pleasure. [7], THEN SAID I, SEE, I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God. [8], Above when he said, SACRIFICE AND OFFERING AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERING FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, NEITHER HAD PLEASURE THEREIN; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [9], Then said he, See, I COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD. HE TAKES AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND. [10], By the which will WE ARE SANCTIFIED THROUGH THE OFFERING OF THE BODY OF JESUS CHRIST ONCE FOR ALL.

Note: The scriptures here in Hebrews 10:6-10 show that these laws for remission of sins under the old covenant were the "Shadow laws" that pointed to Jesus. Note in the volume of the book it was written of me he takes away the first so that he might establish the second, we are now sanctified by the offering of the body of Christ once for all. No more animal sacrifices and sin offerings. Yep the old covenant laws for remission of sin sin offerings and the Priesthood were all shadow laws now fulfilled and continued in Christ.

to be continued...
 
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That’s your conclusion not from the Word of God because Jesus said:

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Jesus came to magnify His Fathers laws Isiah 42:21 , not destroy Matthew 5:17-30 God and Jesus are not at odds with each other and either are the laws.
Well, it appears you are JUMPING to conclusions that are NOT "the Word of God".

Read the verse you quoted again and answer this question: Why isn't Jesus asking us to obey the Father's commands? (John 15:10)

Jesus is clearly stating that the Father's commands and his commands are two different things. Yet you are claiming that Jesus was telling us to obey the Father's commands, instead of Jesus' commands.
 
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