Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

HIM said:

3 things were prophesied about. The destruction of the Temple, Christ second coming and the end of the world.

Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

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But then you all keep posting after saying goodbye.

Saint Steven said:

Romans 14:4-8 NIV
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

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Matt 24:20-31 not Romans.

HIM said:

Matt 24:20-31 not Romans.

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Was Jesus speaking to gentiles, or Jews living in Israel?

There are probably travel restrictions in Israel on the Sabbath even today. I have heard vacationers complain that you can't get anything to eat on the Sabbath. Everything is closed.

Saint Steven said:

Was Jesus speaking to gentiles, or Jews living in Israel?

There are probably travel restrictions in Israel on the Sabbath even today. I have heard vacationers complain that you can't get anything to eat on the Sabbath. Everything is closed.

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It seems pretty obvious that winter and the sabbath both result in conditions that make evacuation more difficult. But why go for the most likely interpretation when you can go with a convoluted one crammed into a particular doctrine?

MMXX said:

It seems pretty obvious that winter and the sabbath both result in conditions that make evacuation more difficult. But why go for the most likely interpretation when you can go with a convoluted one crammed into a particular doctrine?

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Right. The Sabbatarians never talk about the "pray that it won't be winter" part, only the "SEE... we will be observing the Sabbath!" claim. (false)

It would be hard to find a Sabbatarian that is actually praying that it won't be winter when Jesus returns. Which nullifies their claim, I suppose. All, or nothing?

Saint Steven said:

Thanks for your heartfelt post. This is a level of compassion I have rarely experienced from Sabbatarians. (I hope the term Sabbatarians isn't insulting - not my intent)

Let's explore this, if you want to.
The conviction of the Holy Spirit has little if anything to do with what I think. Typically we think something is right, but the Spirit tells us otherwise, contrary to what we think.

If my mind has to be changed to "feel" the conviction of the Holy Spirit, then I would cite brainwashing. Am I missing something here?

Saint Steven said: ↑
Yes, that is a valid argument.
Where is the moral issue with "Sabbath-breaking"?
The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin.
Have you every felt guilty for not observing the Jewish Sabbath?
I haven't. I suppose someone could lay a guilt trip on you.
A recruiting technique for these folks.

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Steve I'm telling you, from the set-apart Spirit who dwells in me and works through me, mixed up mainstream religion has got it all wrong. Subtle satan has infiltrated and deceived the church. If I do not my Father's work believe me not, but if I do, though you believe not me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in me and I in him. God bless you.

Saint Steven said:

Right. The Sabbatarians never talk about the "pray that it won't be winter" part, only the "SEE... we will be observing the Sabbath!" claim. (false)

It would be hard to find a Sabbatarian that is actually praying that it won't be winter when Jesus returns. Which nullifies their claim, I suppose. All, or nothing?

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Steve,
The claim by many is that Jesus ended the Sabbath when He died for our sins. We know this is not true because God’s covenant of Ten is eternal and universal and the Sabbath is not a shadow law as it points backward to Creation not forward “Remember” the Sabbath Exodus 20:8-11- Genesis 2:1-3

Jesus confirms by the verse Matthew 24:20 that the Sabbath did not end after He died because in this scripture Jesus is referring to the future after He goes back to heaven.

As we drawer closer to the end times and when our religious freedoms end and Sabbath-keepers will not just be mocked on the Internet we will be persecuted for Remembering the Sabbath and honoring God’s holy day so there will be a lot more prayers asking Jesus that our flight in the hills will not be in winter or on the Sabbath day.

God bless

HIM said:

3 things were prophesied about. The destruction of the Temple, Christ second coming and the end of the world.

Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

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Agree, I lumped the end time prophesy and the second coming of Jesus together, but obviously these are separate events. They should be close in time, but God’s time and our time might be two different things. God bless

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Perhaps you should consider the following scriptures; Hebrews 8:10-12; John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:27. What do you think these scriptures mean Brian? Not everyone seeks to follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Jesus says in Matthew 15:3-9 those who knowingly do this are not worshiping God and John says the same people who do this do not know God in 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6-9. Why do you think this is important for us to understand according to the scriptures written in Matthew 7:16-23?

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Your response

MMXX said:

I don't think any of those verses mean that gentile Christians are commanded to keep the 7th day sabbath or anything else unorthodox.

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You post was not responsive to the scriptures and the questions asked of you that disagree with your teaching while simply providing an opinion unsupported by scripture which are your words not Gods Word or had anything to do with the post you were quoting from. There is also no such thing as Jewish and Gentile Christians in the new covenant as all are now one in Christ according to the scriptures and are now God's true Israel and heirs of Gods' new covenant promise through faith *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29; Ephesians 2:11-13; Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. We should be careful therefore not to harden our heart to seeing and hearing Gods' Word according to the scriptures as this has always been a problem for those professing to be Gods' people according to Isaiah in Isaiah 6:9-10; Jesus in Matthew 13:15-16 and Paul in Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27. Paul further warns us in Hebrews 3:8-19 that God rejects those who do not believe and follow His Word who continue in sin that the scriptures define as breaking His commandments and not believing and following what God says. We should be careful therefore not to harden our heart to seeing, hearing and believing what Gods' Word says.

Take Care Brain.

MMXX said:

While what I said was addressed to someone else, it may as well have been addressed to you and the others, because you all use virtually word for word apologetics.

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Sorry Brian I respectfully disagree. The Word of God shared with you comes from no where else accept from Gods' Word which are not mine but Gods'. All you seem to be providing here are your words that do not agree with Gods' Word. What is it that I have shared with you from the scriptures that you disagree with? You cannot tell me can you. Of course you are free to believe as you wish, I will leave that between you and God to work through.

MMXX said:

The interpretation of scripture your denomination holds to regarding gentile Christians being commanded to keep the 7th day sabbath is unorthodox, that's a fact, not a falsehood. The rest of what you're saying is basically "our particular denominational doctrine isn't eisegetical, orthodox Christian doctrine is eisegetical".

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As posted earlier in the post you are quoting from which perhaps you have missed the first time around. I see no truth in your post here or any reason why you have posted it. All you have provided here are your words and accusations unsupported by the evidence of scripture. All this of course without evidence to prove what your claiming is only a false accusations unsupported by any evidence. I am not sure why you cannot see this. In the earlier post I gave the meaning of eisegetical interpretation of scripture showing that it means to read into the scriptures what the scripture does not say and does not teach. This is the opposite of exegetical interpretation of the scripture which is reading the meaning of scripture out of what the scripture says supported by the scripture contexts. I think in nearly every scripture in support of Sunday worship provided in this thread it has been proven from the scriptures alone to be an eisegetical interpretation of scripture. If you do not believe me pick a scripture we have discussed here and I will link you to the post the proves where eisegesis (reading the interpretation into the scripture) has been used to support a claim for Sunday worship.

Yet no one here in this thread has provided any scripture evidence to make claims of eisegetical interpretation of scripture in regards to Gods 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment not being the standard in the new covenant for Christian living that gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. According to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11.

Now let me ask you again Brian what is it that you claim is an eisegetical interpretation of scripture Brian? You may want to prove your claims here from the scriptures rather than make false accusations that are not truthful or consider the scriptures written in Matthew 7:1-5.

Take Care.

MMXX said:

The fact that you all use virtually word for word apologetics regarding a very particular denominational doctrine, is a clear indication that you've all been taught the same. And that what you've been taught most likely stems from the founder and author of that very particular denominational doctrine you and the others preach and try to get others to accept.

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Well this is the problem I guess. You have not provided any facts in support of your opinions here. You have provided an opinion but an opinion is not a fact unless it can be supported by evidence and you have not provided any so your claim here to fact is simply not truthful. If no one has posted the writings or teachings of others why are you pretending that they have? This is not being truthful in my view. Just because someone may believe something another person says does not mean they are aware of it or that what that person believe or does not believe is true or untrue. Perhaps you may want to consider that not everyone seeks to follow what others are saying and follow man made teachings and traditions unsupported by the scriptures and that perhaps maybe some seek to know God for themselves through His Word claiming His promises (Hebrews 8:10-12; John 14:26; John 16:13; John 7:17; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:27). There is nothing that I can see in this thread that has been shared with you that is not scripture from Gods' Word. So what is it exactly that you do not believe?

Take Care.

MMXX said:

And I have already explained and keep having to explain, that it's not the scriptures that I disagree with, it's the SDA teaching of the scriptures regarding the topic that I disagree with. My choice to refrain from doing work during the Jewish sabbath, doesn't make me any more a sabbatarian than it makes me Jewish. I do not find that there is scripture which commands gentile Christians to keep the 7th day sabbath. And neither does 2000 years of Christian orthodoxy.

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Let me ask you again Brian, what is it in the scriptures that have been shared with you that you disagree with? I have only genuinely asked you in order to help understand your thinking. Your silence here is telling if you cannot even tell me what it is that has been shared with you from the scriptures that you disagree with. How does you being a seventh day sabbath keeper of Gods' 4th commandment not make you an sabbatarian yet every one else who keeps the sabbath according to you one? I am finding it a little difficult to follow your thinking unless you were never a Sabbath keeper to begin with.

MMXX said:

I don't see that in any way as scripture commanding gentile Christians to keep the 7th day sabbath. But rather as interpreting scripture in such a way as to back a particular doctrine. Also known as reading into the text.

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As posted earlier, according to the scriptures there is no more Jewish and gentile believers because under the new covenant we are all now one in Christ and a part of God's true ISRAEL who are defined in the scriptures as all those who through faith have been born again in the Spirit to believe and follow what Gods' Word says *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29. Then again there is nothing new in these discussion I believe. There will always be those who believe Gods' Words and those who do not believe Gods' Word according to Isaiah in Isaiah 6:9-10; Jesus in Matthew 13:14-15 and Paul in Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27. The question we should seek to prayerfully answer is who's side am I on and how do I know I am on Gods' side? You have been provided Gods' Word. You are free to believe and do as you wish. I do not judge you as it is Gods Word according to the scriptures that we accept or reject that we all answer to come judgement day according to John 12:47-48. There is nothing covered that shall not be revealed according to Jesus *Matthew 10:26. Let's pray and seek Jesus that he might show us the truth of His Word so that we are not found following man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from Gods' Word to break His commandments and find ourselves in that group of people spoken of in Matthew 7:21-23 when Jesus returns.

Take Care.

MMXX said:

It's interesting how you, LoveGodsWord and SabbathBlessings say that you have to leave now so much.

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Well that is not being truthful but on a side note why would you expect people to stay when there is no point in sharing Gods' Word with those who do not want to see of hear what God's Word says? What do you think is the meaning of Matthew 7:6; Isaiah 6:9-10; Matthew 13:14-15 and Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27. I cannot speak for everyone here but for me personally the only time I have ever said I need to go from here is only when it is late and I need do something or sleep. So I find your comments untruthful and misleading if I am honest with you. All through this thread the posts and the scriptures shared with you that are God's Word (not my words) are all witnesses that my words to you are true and disagree with your words that are not Gods' Word. As posted earlier you are free to believe as you wish. There is nothing hidden that shall now be revealed come judgement day.

Saint Steven said:

Was Jesus speaking to gentiles, or Jews living in Israel? There are probably travel restrictions in Israel on the Sabbath even today. I have heard vacationers complain that you can't get anything to eat on the Sabbath. Everything is closed.

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Why would he be speaking to gentiles? Did Jesus not write I have not come but for the lost sheep of the house of Israel? When did the new covenant start and when did Matthew 24:15-20 take place and how does this relate to the Sabbath keeping for new covenant believers after the death and resurrection? - Yes according to the scriptures, they will be continuing to keep the Sabbath commandment according to the scriptures. Now if you think that Gods' 4th commandment was to be abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest, you think Jesus would have said something about it, don't you?

Take Care.

Saint Steven said:

Right. The Sabbatarians never talk about the "pray that it won't be winter" part, only the "SEE... we will be observing the Sabbath!" claim. (false)

It would be hard to find a Sabbatarian that is actually praying that it won't be winter when Jesus returns. Which nullifies their claim, I suppose. All, or nothing?

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That's not the only one that has something else attached to sabbath, and the something else part is avoided.

MMXX said:

That's not the only one that has something else attached to sabbath, and the something else part is avoided.

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Perhaps you can show us all from the scripture how Matthew 24:15-20 not show that Gods' people will be continuing to keep the Sabbath commandment well after the death and resurrection of Jesus? It does indeed continued Sabbath keeping. this as written in the scriptures in the very Words of Jesus for all to see as a witness there for all to see. Accept those who choose not to see and hear Gods Word. Speaking to the destruction of Jerusalem Jesus says in His Words...

Matthew 24:20 Pray that your flight be not in the winter NEITHER ON THE SABBATH DAY

According to Jesus he expected His disciples to be continuing to keep the Sabbath according to Gods 4th commandment well after His death and resurrection. You think if Gods' 4th commandment was to be abolished and we would now be commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest Jesus would have mentioned it to His disciples don't you? Happy to hear your view on why you disagree with the scriptures provided here.

Take Care Brian.

Hezekiah81 said:

Steve I'm telling you, from the set-apart Spirit who dwells in me and works through me, mixed up mainstream religion has got it all wrong. Subtle satan has infiltrated and deceived the church. If I do not my Father's work believe me not, but if I do, though you believe not me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in me and I in him. God bless you.

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Oh, no. You played "the God card". What am I supposed to do with that?
(I say this to help you, as you are sincerely trying to help me, I believe.)

Though what are saying about the Spirit working in you may well be true, it is VERY bad form to impose that thought on others.

You just set up a situation where I have to choose to follow you, as a self-declared representative of God, or follow the Spirit in me, that you are therefore inferring is Satan. (since our opinions don't line up)

I love you, but this is a VERY ugly thing to do to another believer. I'm strong enough to resist such a power play, but I fear that others less mature, or confident in their faith would be taken in by such a ploy. You aren't a charlatan, are you? (I hope not)

I implore you to consider what I am saying carefully. Thanks.
Again, I think your heart is in the right place, I'm waiting your mouth to catch up. - lol

MMXX said:

That's not the only one that has something else attached to sabbath, and the something else part is avoided.

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Is that a reference to the New Moon festival? (which they don't observe)

Saint Steven said:

Is that a reference to the New Moon festival? (which they don't observe)

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Where are the new moon festivals written in the Ten Commandments?