Why Is It Bad If I Don't Get Vaccinated?

mikeforjesus said:

It is true people don’t have to choose to but if you are a Christian you should care to treat anyone if he is sick whether he is vaccinated or not if he needs it then if he doesn’t have chance to be vaccinated

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The only time most people are talking about not treating unvaccinated us during massive outbreaks and then there is triage that is normal. You only have 5 beds, 5 vaccinated, and 5 unvacinated need it, you should give it to the vaccinated since they have the higher survival rate. You treat those that have the better odds of surviving, just basic triage.

I believe it is wrong to allow for people to be fired from their job if they don’t take vaccine they have freedom to choose not to and should only be released for short time but their job should remain to be able to work again later

SacredHorseGhost said:

That's great. To everyone who 'trusts in God' please do healthcare workers a favor and stay home and continue trusting in God even when you can barely breathe. All these people "trusting in God" are straining the healthcare system, causing other people to not have a bed and imposing serious psychological damage on nurses and others by their "trusting in God."

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But hold on now though let's make the hospitals even more wonderful! Everyone who is there because of problems associated with bad choices have them stay home too! That means problems linked because people smoke, drink, over eat those mean selfish people are putting an unnecessary strain on healthcare too not to mention the psychological damage they're doing to nurses! The only broken people we're going to fix are those who are there at absolutely no fault of their own. You can even have they need to show their family doctor certified their problem wasn't self inflicted and a digital passport on their Iphone that they need to show to gain entrance. You can even expand the program to people who are hurt in car accidents.

Police just decide which one is at fault, which one made a bad wrong choice. The bad choice one just pull them out of the wreckage, have a toll truck take away the car and throw the bad selfish person in the ditch. We certainly don't want to cause psychological problems for nurses. If they don't know right off who's at faulty fine take them all in for help and treatment. If you find out along the way who is at fault and even if they're in the middle of an operation STOP it at once...roll them on the bed to the nearest big shoot and let them slide down to the garbage bin. Don't have it near the outside smoking area though for you don't want to cause psychological problems for nurses!

Bobber said:

If you find out along the way who is at fault and even if they're in the middle of an operation STOP it at once...roll them on the bed to the nearest big shoot and let them slide down to the garbage bin. Don't have it near the outside smoking area though for you don't want to cause psychological problems for nurses!

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Don’t give them any ideas.

mikeforjesus said:

I believe it is wrong to allow for people to be fired from their job if they don’t take vaccine they have freedom to choose not to and should only be released for short time but their job should remain to be able to work again later

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That seems to be a reasonable idea, but only if employers could find temporary workers as opposed to hiring new workers.

loveofourlord said:

The only time most people are talking about not treating unvaccinated us during massive outbreaks and then there is triage that is normal. You only have 5 beds, 5 vaccinated, and 5 unvacinated need it, you should give it to the vaccinated since they have the higher survival rate. You treat those that have the better odds of surviving, just basic triage.

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The problem is people with other life-threatening conditions that they didn't bring on themselves. Telling the families of such people that they should die because ICUs are full of people who refused vaccination, is despicable. There's nothing wrong with holding people responsible for their behaviors.

The Barbarian said:

That seems to be a reasonable idea, but only if employers could find temporary workers as opposed to hiring new workers.



The problem is people with other life-threatening conditions that they didn't bring on themselves. Telling the families of such people that they should die because ICUs are full of people who refused vaccination, is despicable. There's nothing wrong with holding people responsible for their behaviors.

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well yeah, it's not punishing them it's odds, you have two people with a gunshot and can only heal one of them, one has a gunshot outside the heart, the other inside the heart, you go for the one with the best odds. Since the goal is to save a life, if you have enough doctors to heal both you do both I'm just saying in the scenario where there isn't enough room/time to do both, like many hospitals in the US have had with covid.

loveofourlord said:

well yeah, it's not punishing them it's odds, you have two people with a gunshot and can only heal one of them, one has a gunshot outside the heart, the other inside the heart, you go for the one with the best odds. Since the goal is to save a life, if you have enough doctors to heal both you do both I'm just saying in the scenario where there isn't enough room/time to do both, like many hospitals in the US have had with covid.

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Maybe so. It's like "do you save the heroin overdose patient, or the stroke patient?" Most people's inclination is to put a lower priority on the self-inflicted conditions, but maybe that's not right.

The Barbarian said:

That seems to be a reasonable idea, but only if employers could find temporary workers as opposed to hiring new workers.



The problem is people with other life-threatening conditions that they didn't bring on themselves. Telling the families of such people that they should die because ICUs are full of people who refused vaccination, is despicable. There's nothing wrong with holding people responsible for their behaviors.

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I see your point but others should not take others job but accept a temporary position they can all find work somewhere else

mikeforjesus said:

I see your point but others should not take others job but accept a temporary position they can all find work somewhere else

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Everything has consequences. If it's possible to do a leave of absence pending the end of the pandemic, then by all means, do it.

I will be fair to this person, if she was say working at mc donalds, or a cashier at sears it wouldn't bother me as much, it's just she appears to be mocking something highly related to her job and puts into question her capability to do her job.

The Barbarian said:

Everything has consequences. If it's possible to do a leave of absence pending the end of the pandemic, then by all means, do it.

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Thanks I am not talking about myself I am vaccinated

timothyu said:

Where was the outcry over 'no shirt, no shoes, no service'?

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The Barbarian said:

Good point, I suppose. Not as big a health issue, but businesses have a perfect right to set the rules like that.

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I dont think this is a good point at all. Requiring one to put something over or on their body is very different from requiring them to put something inside their body.

Requiring a jacket before entering an establishment is not akin to requiring that a pill be swallowed before entering. While there will be a few that will and has objected to the jackets, there will be a greater number what would object to the ingesting of the pill. For, again, putting something on the body is not akin to putting something inside the body.

RaymondG said:

I dont think this is a good point at all. Requiring one to put something over or on their body is very different from requiring them to put something inside their body.

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Nevertheless, a person has the right to set the rules for his property. If you don't like his rules, go somewhere else.

The Barbarian said:

Nevertheless, a person has the right to set the rules for his property. If you don't like his rules, go somewhere else.

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dogs4thewin said:

Yup if an employer says vaccine required you either get the vaccine or leave employment nothing illegal about it.

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This is not a discussion of the rights for establishments to enforce rules, or whether or not it is legal. I was just explaining how it is different to require one to dress a certain way versus the requirement that one has to take medicines or other things inside the body.

It is better to just bow out of a conversation that one does not have any more answers for than the say "If you dont like it, you dont have to go there.." in a thread whose intention is to converse about the requirement of vaccines.

RaymondG said:

This is not a discussion of the rights for establishments to enforce rules, or whether or not it is legal. I was just explaining how it is different to require one to dress a certain way versus the requirement that one has to take medicines or other things inside the body.

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That does not justify taking away the rights of the property owner.

It is better to just bow out of a conversation if one does not have anything better than saying "the difference justifies taking away our basic rights."

The Barbarian said:

That does not justify taking away the rights of the property owner.

It is better to just bow out of a conversation if one does not have anything better than saying "the difference justifies taking away our basic rights."

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Actually there is another thread going on that talks about the employers right to mandate. In that thread, I state that I support their right to enforce these mandates as long as it is legal to do so.

It just so happens that this thread is not talking about any employer rights or the taking away of their. It is a conversation about the need and desire to require others to get vaccinated.

Forgive me if I choose to stay on the topic of the thread.

And why quote someone else's words in a reply to me? Was it a mistake or are you trying to discredit because you have run out of good arguments?

I think we should protest now as I heard that government was saying if you are vaccinated and have covid you can still go out in public therefore I believe now we should not require people to be vaccinated to go out in public if they want to risk their health that is up to them some may not be in risk people who are concerned can be vaccinated they should just not visit anyone they know is not vaccinated who wants to be. No one can go to hell from another choices but from one own choice God would not let person die from another if person can not be saved but only those who God knows deserve a chance to be saved will He allow to die from another others who do not fear God will die from another cause if they are practising sin and not repenting if they had all their chances and do not repent as they have opportunity but if person refuses vaccine when he knows he is at risk of dying that is his fault if he is not seeking to get it.

This whole thing has become illogical. I spent some time in a hospital recently for non-covid reasons. No one who did not have their double vaxx was allowed to visit anyone in there. That made absolutely no sense because vaxxed or otherwise they could still carry the virus as easily as the unvaxxed. What it really was saying is that it was safe for anyone vaxxed to come in the hospital, but the unvaxxed must stay out for their own protection as they were the most likely to get the disease. Yet it is being presented to mean just the opposite, like the unvaxxed are the enemy. Like with Thanksgiving, we are to fear the unvaxxed yet it is they who are in danger. People is dumb.

Dang, 39 pages long…

Vaccinations should be a private medical choice. When you take away a person’s right to decline medical treatment / a medical procedure, you are diminishing their personhood, taking away their capacity to reason and decide, and may be forcing them to violate their conscience. None of that is good.

Those regimes which have forced medical procedures on their own people against their will in recent generations have not been very nice regimes.