Joe's son wanted 2 million a year to help a terrorist nation unfreeze their assets.

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While his daddy was vp:

Hunter Biden requested a $2 million annual retainer and "success fees" to help unfreeze Libyan assets when his father, Joe Biden, was vice president, according to emails reviewed by Business Insider.

Through an intermediary, the younger Biden offered to help recover $15 billion in Libyan assets that the Obama administration froze during the reign of Muammar Qaddafi. The intermediary, a Democratic donor, in a Jan. 28, 2015, email asked for a "close circle of people" to be involved in the offer "for confidentiality," adding that Joe Biden was considering running for president. Another email on Feb. 26, 2016, stressed the importance of only a small, close-knit group's being involved "due to the sensitivities surrounding their involvement."​
I thought this was particularly telling:

The Democratic donor involved with Hunter Biden's Libya deal, Sam Jauhari, advertised Biden's access to high-ranking members of the State Department, the Treasury Department, then-secretary of state John Kerry, and his father, who Jauhari said had the "Libya file" in the Obama administration.

"Since he travels with dad, he is connected everywhere in Europe and Asia," Jauhari wrote of Hunter Biden, adding that he even "has access to highest level in [China]."

Jauhari warned his correspondent, Sheikh Mohammed al-Rahbani, an Obama donor, that Hunter Biden's substance abuse may prove an issue.


"His negatives are that he is alcoholic, drug addict – kicked [out] of U.S. Army for cocaine, chasing low class hookers, constantly needs money-liquidity problems and many more headaches," Jauhari wrote. Biden was discharged from the Navy Reserve, not the Army, after he tested positive for cocaine in 2014.
Even the Libyans didn't want to be involved with Hunter because he was dirty.

Asking such exorbitant terms is how lawyers say “no”.

Did H. Biden get the gig?
 
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Just think about this - report cited by you ‘terrorist groups continue plotting attacks in Libya’ - you ‘Libya is a terrorist nation’ (whatever it is you think that means). Just think that over until something sinks in. Alternatively, you could simply read the whole of the report you posted rather than picking out the bits you imagine support your OP (they don’t, you’re just reading it wrong).

Say you’re a struggling, fledgling, democracy and would like to open channels to the “ international community” (USA, give us access to our own money!), how better to get an “in” than with the VP’s kid!? (This assumes that the corruption is at least as bad as in Libya.)

That’s why Hunter Biden didn’t get his retainer, he said no in “lawyerese”.
 
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Say you’re a struggling, fledgling, democracy and would like to open channels to the “ international community” (USA, give us access to our own money!), how better to get an “in” than with the VP’s kid!? (This assumes that the corruption is at least as bad as in Libya.)

That’s why Hunter Biden didn’t get his retainer, he said in in “lawyerese”.

Retainer LOL.

No Hunter Did not get his bribe money because:

His negatives are that he is alcoholic, drug addict – kicked [out] of U.S. Army for cocaine, chasing low class hookers, constantly needs money-liquidity problems and many more headaches,"
 
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I am using my rights to express views I believe are important and I believe the drug addicted son of a President, then VP attempting to extort money from a terrorist nation because:
Where do you see extortion by H. Biden?
 
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Where do you see extortion by H. Biden?

Read the OP and the second post.


Biden's access to high-ranking members of the State Department, the Treasury Department, then-secretary of state John Kerry, and his father, who Jauhari said had the "Libya file" in the Obama administration.

"Since he travels with dad, he is connected everywhere in Europe and Asia," Jauhari wrote of Hunter Biden, adding that he even "has access to highest level in [China]."

extortion
ĭk-stôr′shən
noun
  1. Illegal use of one's position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage.
 
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Read the OP and the second post.




extortion
ĭk-stôr′shən
noun
  1. Illegal use of one's position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage.
I did read it and didn't see what I thought extortion is.
I think your definition is too simple and isn't detailed enough.

Definition of extort

transitive verb


: to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power : wring also : to gain especially by ingenuity or compelling argument



To extort is literally to wrench something out of someone. Extortion is a mainstay of organized crime. Just as the school bully extorts lunch money from the smaller kids in exchange for not beating them up, thugs extort "protection" money from business owners with threats of violence. But that's only one kind of extortion; a mobster might extort favors from a politician with threats of revealing some dark secret, just as you might extort a favor from a brother or sister by promising not to tell on them.
Definition of EXTORT

Sorry, I just missing how H. Biden was extorting anyone. How was he forcefully taking the $2m?
Did he promise that he could get their money returned because his father was the VP?
I just have questions because I think the details matter.
 
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really? The best defense to this devastating report is

Trump whataboutisms?

That is the debating equivalent of throwing up a white flag of surrender.

The best defense is pointing out that we already knew Hunter traded on his family name and that this deal never went through.
 
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I did read it and didn't see what I thought extortion is.
I think your definition is too simple and isn't detailed enough.

Definition of extort

transitive verb


: to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power : wring also : to gain especially by ingenuity or compelling argument



To extort is literally to wrench something out of someone. Extortion is a mainstay of organized crime. Just as the school bully extorts lunch money from the smaller kids in exchange for not beating them up, thugs extort "protection" money from business owners with threats of violence. But that's only one kind of extortion; a mobster might extort favors from a politician with threats of revealing some dark secret, just as you might extort a favor from a brother or sister by promising not to tell on them.
Definition of EXTORT

Sorry, I just missing how H. Biden was extorting anyone. How was he forcefully taking the $2m?
Did he promise that he could get their money returned because his father was the VP?
I just have questions because I think the details matter
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Thank you for the thoughtful reply, it is a breath of fresh air!

Notice in your definition The bolded section - that is what I am commenting on.

The country was responsible for a history both before and after of terroristic actions globally. The Obama administration (in which Joe was VP), punishes them by freezing their assets.

One of Obama's Democratic fundraisers contacts the leaders of the country and says - if you pay the son of the Vice President 2,000,000 annually plus performance bonuses - he will help you get your money because he is well connected with Joe Biden, who he travels with and John Kerry who has control of what happens to you.

He was NOT saying Hunter would represent them in a court action. There was no court involved, only Congress or the President could release the funds.

That is extortion.

Person A has control of the property of person B - Legally

Person C say if you want your money back - pay person A's son and he will make your problems go away.

I consider this extortion - if you do not agree, that's fine but it doesn't change my view.
 
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Thank you for the thoughtful reply, it is a breath of fresh air!

Notice in your definition The bolded section - that is what I am commenting on.

The country was responsible for a history both before and after of terroristic actions globally. The Obama administration (in which Joe was VP), punishes them by freezing their assets.

One of Obama's Democratic fundraisers contacts the leaders of the country and says - if you pay the son of the Vice President 2,000,000 annually plus performance bonuses - he will help you get your money because he is well connected with Joe Biden, who he travels with and John Kerry who has control of what happens to you.

He was NOT saying Hunter would represent them in a court action. There was no court involved, only Congress or the President could release the funds.

That is extortion.

Person A has control of the property of person B - Legally

Person C say if you want your money back - pay person A's son and he will make your problems go away.

I consider this extortion - if you do not agree, that's fine but it doesn't change my view.
It is not extortion because there is no threat or force involved here. Also, in this case, A did not control the property of B legally.
 
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It is not extortion because there is no threat or force involved here. Also, in this case, A did not control the property of B legally.

Someone comes to you and says - hey! you want your money - pay me 2 mil a year and I'll get it released from the people who have legally froze it.

The implied threat is that you are not going to get your money. It's like paying the mob for protection. There is no force there, but you will be safe if you pay us.

There is were we disagree.

Thanks for your post.
 
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Someone comes to you and says - hey! you want your money - pay me 2 mil a year and I'll get it released from the people who have legally froze it.
Oh?
Are we certain that Sheikh Mohammed al-Rahbani was sitting in Tripoli, minding his own business, and H. Biden comes along with “an offer”?


The implied threat is that you are not going to get your money. It's like paying the mob for protection. There is no force there, but you will be safe if you pay us.
And what despicable thing(s) did H. Biden do to the poor Libyans?
 
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Oh?
Are we certain that Sheikh Mohammed al-Rahbani was sitting in Tripoli, minding his own business, and H. Biden comes along with “an offer”?

I don’t know where he was when the Obama Fund raiser offered Biden’s influence for a price.

Do you have a link showing further detail?
 
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OOOH!!!! Really? The argument is 'extortion'?

That's kind of insane "Hey, I can help you try to get your money" turns into "Hey, Gimme your money or bad things will happen".


I'd say this is a mountain out of a molehill but it seems more like a mountain made out of a pile of clotted cream.
 
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OOOH!!!! Really? The argument is 'extortion'?

That's kind of insane "Hey, I can help you try to get your money" turns into "Hey, Gimme your money or bad things will happen".


I'd say this is a mountain out of a molehill but it seems more like a mountain made out of a pile of clotted cream.

This is how the thread progressed.

First – Hunter Biden doing business with Terrorist.

Now – the same terrorist turned in to saint and Hunter Biden taking advantage of poor terrorist and practicing extortion and poor terrorist has no choice but comply with Hunter Biden.
 
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His negatives are that he is alcoholic, drug addict – kicked [out] of U.S. Army for cocaine, chasing low class hookers, constantly needs money-liquidity problems and many more headaches," Jauhari wrote. Biden was discharged from the Navy Reserve, not the Army, after he tested positive for cocaine in 2014.

This is how the thread progressed.

First – Hunter Biden doing business with Terrorist.

Now – the same terrorist turned in to saint and Hunter Biden taking advantage of poor terrorist and practicing extortion and poor terrorist has no choice but comply with Hunter Biden.

No, there is no evidence that he paid Hunter

Perhaps they did not like the list of negatives as already shown. perhaps even terrorist will not lower themselves to a certain point in using someone of questionable character. Or they did not want to trust him no matter what the cost.

Attempted extortion would be a better description. My apologies for not making that clearer.
 
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Thank you for the thoughtful reply, it is a breath of fresh air!

Notice in your definition The bolded section - that is what I am commenting on.

The country was responsible for a history both before and after of terroristic actions globally. The Obama administration (in which Joe was VP), punishes them by freezing their assets.

One of Obama's Democratic fundraisers contacts the leaders of the country and says - if you pay the son of the Vice President 2,000,000 annually plus performance bonuses - he will help you get your money because he is well connected with Joe Biden, who he travels with and John Kerry who has control of what happens to you.

He was NOT saying Hunter would represent them in a court action. There was no court involved, only Congress or the President could release the funds.

That is extortion.

Person A has control of the property of person B - Legally

Person C say if you want your money back - pay person A's son and he will make your problems go away.

I consider this extortion - if you do not agree, that's fine but it doesn't change my view.
Thanks for the explanation of your view that's all I was asking for. I'll leave it at that for now.
 
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The Democratic donor involved with Hunter Biden's Libya deal, Sam Jauhari, advertised Biden's access to high-ranking members of the State Department, the Treasury Department, then-secretary of state John Kerry, and his father, who Jauhari said had the "Libya file" in the Obama administration.

It is interesting also to note that it was a Democratic donor who was ‘advertising’ Hunter Biden’s connections to the State Department and White House.

Also that he was taking into consideration for Joe possibly running for President and wanting to keep it in small circles and as covert as possible.
 
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Thanks for the explanation of your view that's all I was asking for. I'll leave it at that for now.

Ditto - thank you also. Truth be known - I really do like our exchanges, I've learned from you a number of times and you have made me re think some things from another perspective
 
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