Scientist gives lecture on effects of Covid vaccine.

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It does seem that all vaccines use spike proteins to attack the virus. They just use different ways to implement the spike protein.
Could live attenuated vaccines better control COVID-19? - ScienceDirect
The vaccines actually cause your body to produce spike proteins (like the virus causes your body to produce new virus) .... that the body recognizes as foreign ... and then attacks.

The vaccines prep your body to fight any upcoming encounter with the virus ...
 
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In truth, vaccines have been around since the 1500's.

From Wikipedia ... Smallpox - Wikipedia

"Inoculation for smallpox appears to have started in China around the 1500s.Europe adopted this practice from Asia in the first half of the 18th century. In 1796 Edward Jenner introduced the modern smallpox vaccine."


mRNA vaccines are completely different technology which can't be compared to the earlier history of vaccines.

Just as GMOs and glyphosate are completely different from selective breeding of crops from past eras.
 
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Yes the rest is unimportant, it are the spike proteins that cause the trouble according to the video. Whole virus, no virus, doesn't seem to matter.

Love to have that wrong.
You do realize that the virus itself is covered in "spike proteins", right ???

Even if the "spike proteins" can cause some harm, which hasn't been demonstrated on a wide scale, ... the virus itself causes multiple times more harm.
 
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mRNA vaccines are completely different technology which can't be compared to the earlier history of vaccines.

Just as GMOs and glyphosate are completely different from selective breeding of crops from past eras.
You do realize that every form of medical treatment was "new" at some point in human history, correct ?

Would you not want to wear eyeglasses because they were "new" technology ?
 
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Mutations of the virus may not have the same spike proteins.
That is where "whole virus" vaccines are expected to be more effective than mRNA ["spike protein" only] vaccines.
By that same token, ... you could argue that a whole virus vaccine ... might have trouble defending against a mutated form ...
 
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Vaccines can prevent illness we know to be true. At a cost, for there are always injuries, but nevertheless much illness seems to have been prevented in the past using vaccines. Or is that not true?
Smallpox has killed more than a billion people throughout history.

Now, due to vaccines, the smallpox virus is locked up where it can't attack humanity any more.

(At least ... as long as it stays locked up)

From ... Smallpox - Wikipedia

"All known stocks of smallpox worldwide were subsequently destroyed or transferred to two WHO-designated reference laboratories with BSL-4 facilities – the United States' Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Soviet Union's (now Russia's) State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology VECTOR."
 
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You do realize that every form of medical treatment was "new" at some point in human history, correct ?

Would you not want to wear eyeglasses because they were "new" technology ?


Do you pay attention to the words you're typing?

Do you remember experts claiming "no evidence of human to human transmission of COVID" around january 2020. Experts slowed response to the virus, allowing the pandemic to spread. What about experts calling Trump a racist for closing borders to suppress COVID from entering the country.

Experts and the most vocal supporters of vaccines have been wrong about literally everything to do with COVID for the past 2 years.

Who would listen to anything they say?
 
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This content is still questionable. There are three or four different types of vaccines available worldwide. It is fair to question those of similar types (like Pfizer & Moderna), but this video makes blanket statements about all types of vaccines indiscriminately.

All covid vaccines are not the same, equal, nor are they equally risky.

You seem well read on this, which vaccine, aside from those using aborted fetal cells, is said to be the most effective and safest?
 
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Do you pay attention to the words you're typing?

Do you remember experts claiming "no evidence of human to human transmission of COVID" around january 2020. Experts slowed response to the virus, allowing the pandemic to spread. What about experts calling Trump a racist for closing borders to suppress COVID from entering the country.

Experts and the most vocal supporters of vaccines have been wrong about literally everything to do with COVID for the past 2 years.

Who would listen to anything they say?
Do you understand the process of learning ? It was a new or "novel" virus.

I'm listening to persons who have experience in fighting viruses, ... and not what ever pops up on the internet ...
 
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i don't think this video has anything to do with JWs, they just like it for it supports their view.
The Watch Tower is a JW publication. This article was published by JW. They have a history of not approving of transfusions and vaccinations, the only denomination to support such unsound doctrine.

When unvaccinated COVID patients got to the hospital they begged for vaccine, but it was too late.
‘It’s too late’: US doctor says dying patients begging for Covid vaccine

Spreading false rumors about vaccine toxicity is killing people.
 
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The Watch Tower is a JW publication. This article was published by JW. They have a history of not approving of transfusions and vaccinations, the only denomination to support such unsound doctrine.

When unvaccinated COVID patients got to the hospital they begged for vaccine, but it was too late.
‘It’s too late’: US doctor says dying patients begging for Covid vaccine

Spreading false rumors about vaccine toxicity is killing people.

Did you see the video?

Like i tried to point out this is not a JW video, they just put on their site to support their views, it is on other non JW sites as well.

This is a professional talking about genuine issues discovered. He presents the facts pretty clearly.

So if you don't believe him prove him wrong. i would be much obliged.


Peace.
 
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Do you understand the process of learning ? It was a new or "novel" virus.

The incubation period of COVID-19 being 7 days. It should have took them only 7 days to verify those claims.

Only 7 days. Not the weeks or months that it actually took.

I feel like everyone in the world hates science. No one knows, even the basics about it. Even the experts.
 
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Did you see the video?

Like i tried to point out this is not a JW video, they just put on their site to support their views, it is on other non JW sites as well.

This is a professional talking about genuine issues discovered. He presents the facts pretty clearly.

So if you don't believe him prove him wrong. i would be much obliged.


Peace.
It is pseudoscience.
 
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It is pseudoscience.

Where is your evidence?

i would love to see some solid research, like this video displays though, not just head lines in the news papers.
 
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The incubation period of COVID-19 being 7 days. It should have took them only 7 days to verify those claims.

Only 7 days. Not the weeks or months that it actually took.
Do you have a medical background ?

What do you use to support your views ?
 
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Do you have a medical background ?

What do you use to support your views ?


You change the subject, and drift way off course, everytime a relevant point is made.

Are you here to waste peoples time asking pointless and irrelevant questions.
 
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