Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

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God promised the Sabbath would be a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16 which we see fulfilled throughout the Old and New Testament (Jesus going to the Temple teaching God’s Word on the Sabbath Luke 4:16) and in the New Heaven Isaiah 66:23. God’s will for us is not different on earth as it is in heaven.* * *
The way you omitted part of Ex 31:16 makes it say something God did not say!
Exodus 31:16
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.​
God did not say "all the world," "all people" He said "the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath."
Yes, Jesus taught in the temple on the Sabbath, He was a Jew, but gentiles could NOT even enter the temple proper. Only Jews could enter the temple, proper. Gentiles had to stay in the outer court where the money changers and sellers congregated.
Can you imagine trying to hear the word of God in the middle of a big flea market?

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When will you stop playing "the God card" concerning your opinions? This is a discussion forum. Why claim your opinion is "the Word of God"? (it's not)
Our opinions do not matter. Only God's word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29
 
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That's a ridiculous misuse of "God's Word". That is NOT what that means at all. BTW: Should you really be working this hard on the Sabbath? (creating posts) On the seventh day, God STOPPED all the work of creating that he had been doing.

Quoting scripture is not a misuse of the scriptures it is a reference to God's truth. According to Jesus is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath *Matthew 12:1-12. He should know as He is the Lord and creator of the Sabbath that he says he made for all mankind *Mark 2:27:28; John 1:1-4; 14.
 
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That is exactly what I am suggesting. I've never seen a Sabbatarian quote the TCs from Deuteronomy. And for good reason. (works against them)
Amazing so your saying the 10 commandments works against the 10 commandments. So you have a contradiction of the scriptures. Gods' Word however does not contradict itself. If you find yourself having a contradiction of the scriptures it should be a warning to you that perhaps there is a problem with your interpretation of the scriptures as Gods' Word does not contradict itself.
Here we see the word "observe" used. Are you suggesting this is a function of cognitive memory? However, the word "remember" is used in this passage. Verse 15 says that YOU are to remember that you were a slave in Egypt. Lest you forget.

"... Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day." - vs 15

Deuteronomy 5:12-15 NIV
“Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
To be honest your trying to compare two different sets of scripture taken from different places and times. Why your interpretation of Deuteronomy 5:15 is not correct when compared with Exodus 20:8 is because your trying to connect the Sabbath day "remembering" to coming out from Egypt when the seventh day Sabbath has nothing to do with Egypt accept in Deuteronomy when Moses told Israel the "remembering" in this context was when God told them to keep the Sabbath as they were leaving Egypt in Exodus 16. Here let's compare the scriptures side by side as they are giving slightly different messages yet they are both Gods' 10 commandments. Lets for now just focus on Gods' 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath where God spoke the 10 commandments in Exodus 20:1-17 gave them and the reason for remembering the seventh day Sabbath at creation and latter when Moses was speaking them in Deuteronomy 5 as a reference to the Sabbath commanded by the Lord on their way out of Egypt....

SABBATH IN DEUTERONOMY 5 AS RE-READ BY MOSES

Let's add the context back you have left out of your post...

Deuteronomy 5:1-6
[1], AND MOSES CALLED ALL ISRAEL, AND SAID TO THEM, HEAR, O ISRAEL, THE STATUTES AND JUDGMENTS WHICH I SPEAK IN YOUR EARS THIS DAY, THAT YOU MAY LEARN THEM, AND KEEP, AND DO THEM.
[2], THE LORD OUR GOD MADE A COVENANT WITH US IN HOREB.
[3], The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
[4], THE LORD TALKED WITH YOU FACE TO FACE IN THE MOUNT OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THE FIRE,
[5], I STOOD BETWEEN THE LORD AND YOU AT THAT TIME, TO SHOW YOU THE WORD OF THE LORD: FOR YOU WERE AFRAID BY REASON OF THE FIRE, AND WENT NOT UP INTO THE MOUNT; SAYING,
[6], I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, WHICH BROUGHT YOU OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, FROM THE HOUSE OF BONDAGE.

Note: Deuteronomy is not the giving of the 10 commandments by God it is the re-reading of the 10 commandments already given by God to His people in Exodus 20 by Moses as shown in the chapter context your leaving out here from Deuteronomy 5:1-6. The re-reading of the ten commandments by Moses continues in Deuteronomy 5:7-11 quoting the first three commandments leading into the 4th commandment which says...

Deuteronomy 5:12-15
[12], Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, AS THE LORD YOUR GOD HAS COMMANDED YOU.
[13] Six days you shall labor, and do all your work:
[14], But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your ox, nor your ass, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates; that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you.
[15], AND REMEMBER THAT YOU WERE A SERVANT IN THE LAND OF EGYPT, AND THAT THE LORD YOUR GOD BROUGHT YOU OUT THERE THROUGH A MIGHTY HAND AND BY A STRETCHED-OUT ARM: THEREFORE THE LORD YOUR GOD COMMANDED YOU TO KEEP THE SABBATH DAY.

Note: God commands us to keep the Sabbath and Moses (not God) reminds us in Deuteronomy 5:15 to remember that you were a servant in Egypt and God delivered us with a mighty hand, therefore the Lords your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day. This is a reference to God commanding His people to keep the Sabbath before Mt Sinai as they were being delivered out of Egypt in Exodus 16 before the 10 commandments were given at Mt Sinai. It is not as you are interpreting the scripture meaning we keep the Sabbath because of Egypt it is saying after the commandment was given by God [15] AND remember which is an addition that as God delivered you out of Egypt he commanded you to keep the Sabbath which is a reference back to Exodus 16. Now let's compare Deuteronomy 5:1-5 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15 as read by Moses with God's 10 commandments as given spoken and written by God at Mt Sinai in Exodus 20:1-2 and Exodus 20:8-11.

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SABBATH IN EXODUS 20 AS SPOKEN AND WRITTEN BY GOD.

Lets compare the reading of Moses to the spoken and written commandments of God which start off by saying...

Exodus 20:1-2 AND GOD SPOKE ALL THESE WORDS SAYING; I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD WHICH BROUGHT YOU OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, OUT OF THE HOUSE OF BONDAGE.

Note: Gods spoken word here and the original words of God. Exodus 20:3-7 continues with the first three commandment then moves on to God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath of creation in Exodus 20:8-11...

Exodus 20:8-11 [8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day) [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Note: God's 4th commandment starts of "REMEMBER" the Sabbath day to keep it holy not because it was commanded to be kept holy in Egypt but because it is a memorial of creations. Instead of pointing back to Egypt in Exodus 20:11 it points back to remembering creation where it is quoting from Genesis 2:1-3 in Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

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Conclusion: Exodus 20:8-11 (Gods' 4th commandment) spoken and written by God alone uses the term to "remember" to point back to creation as the reason for the giving of Gods' 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath of the 10 commandments as a memorial of creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth. Deuteronomy 5:15 is a reminder by Moses that God did not give the 4th commandment only in Sinai but God's people should also remember that God delivered His people out of Egypt and commanded them to keep the Sabbath before Mt Sinai and God's giving of the 10 commandments in person to His people.

Hope this helps clear up any confusion.

Take Care.
 
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The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone.
  1. Exodus 31:13
    “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

  2. Ezekiel 20:12
    Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.

  3. Ezekiel 20:20
    Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”

Are you seriously going to argue that we are now free to use Gods' name in vain, make idols, worship other Gods, lie, steal, murder and commit adultery with our neighbors partner and claim that Gods' 10 commandments are only ever given to Israel? According to the new covenant scriptures, your teachings of lawlessness is simply not biblical and has no truth in it but allow me to explain why from the scriptures....

It is true that the Sabbath is a sign between God and his people Israel alone and that the Sabbath was a sign of God's sanctification of His people as an everlasting covenant that will be continued to be kept in the new heavens and the new earth....

Exodus 20:20 [20], And hallow my sabbaths; and THEY SHALL BE A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND YOU, THAT YOU MAY KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD.

Exodus 31:16 Why THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL SHALL KEEP THE SABBATH, TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH THROUGHOUT THEIR GENERATIONS, FOR A EVERLASTING COVENANT.

Isaiah 66:22-23 [22], FOR AS THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, WHICH I WILL MAKE, SHALL REMAIN BEFORE ME, SAID THE LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, AND FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD.

So as can be seen above Gods' seventh day Sabbath of God's 4th commandment is an everlasting covenant and a sign that God is saving His people and His people worship the only true God of creation and the Sabbath is an everlasting covenant that will be continued to be kept in the new heavens and the new earth.

Where your mistake is here is that in the new covenant God's Israel is no longer all those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but according to the scriptures Gods' true ISRAEL are now all those who though faith are now born of the Spirit of God to believe and follow God's Word....

Romans 9:6-8 [6], Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL, WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but, In Isaac shall your seed be called. [8], THAT IS, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

Galatians 3:28-29 [28], There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29], AND IF YOU BE CHRIST'S, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

Romans 2:28-29 [28], For HE IS NOT A JEW, WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARD IN THE FLESH: [29], But HE IS A JEW, WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

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Therefore Gods' Israel in the new covenant are now simply all those who through faith have now been born of the Spirit to believe and follow what God's Word says. God's new covenant promise is to be circumcised in heard to love God and obey His commandments which is what it means to have the law written on the hear through faith that works by love. There are no more Jewish believers and gentile believers all are now one in Christ. Gentiles are now grafted in to Gods' Israel. If you are not a part of Gods' Israel you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise which is to Israel (Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27).

Hope this is helpful.
 
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Did Jesus keep the Sabbath?

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Yes of course Jesus kept the Sabbath he was the Lord and creator of the Sabbath. He just did not keep the Scribes and the Pharisees interpretation of the Sabbath and came to teach us how to correctly keep the Sabbath saying that the man was not made for the Sabbath but the Sabbath was made for man *Mark 2:27-28 and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day *Matthew 12:1-12. If Jesus did not keep the Sabbath according to your interpretation of the scriptures then we are all lost because Christ would be a sinner and could not be God's perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world. Thankfully that is not the care.

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

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The way you omitted part of Ex 31:16 makes it say something God did not say!
Exodus 31:16
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.​
God did not say "all the world," "all people" He said "the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath."
Yes Jesus taught in the temple on the Sabbath, He was a Jew, but gentiles could NOT even enter the temple. Only Jews could enter the temple, proper. Gentiles had to stay in the outer court where the money changes and sellers congregated.
Can you imagine trying to hear the word of God in the middle of a big flea market?

Where your mistake is here is that in the new covenant God's Israel is no longer all those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but according to the scriptures Gods' true ISRAEL are now all those who though faith are now born of the Spirit of God to believe and follow God's Word....

Romans 9:6-8 [6], Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL, WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but, In Isaac shall your seed be called. [8], THAT IS, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

Galatians 3:28-29 [28], There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29], AND IF YOU BE CHRIST'S, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

Romans 2:28-29 [28], For HE IS NOT A JEW, WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARD IN THE FLESH: [29], But HE IS A JEW, WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

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Therefore Gods' Israel in the new covenant are now simply all those who through faith have now been born of the Spirit to believe and follow what God's Word says. God's new covenant promise is to be circumcised in heard to love God and obey His commandments which is what it means to have the law written on the hear through faith that works by love. There are no more Jewish believers and gentile believers all are now one in Christ. Gentiles are now grafted in to Gods' Israel. If you are not a part of Gods' Israel you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise which is to Israel (Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27).

Also, out of interest, uncircumcised Gentiles although not allowed to enter the temple Sanctuary unless they were proselytes were free to hear the Word of God in the local synagogues (regional gatherings of Jewish believers on the Sabbath) where the Word of God was read every Sabbath. According to the scriptures in the new covenant if we are not a part of God's true ISRAEL then we have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. God never made His new covenant with Gentiles only to ISRAEL which is defined in the new covenant scriptures as all those who through faith have been born of the Spirit and not of the flesh to believe and follow what God's Word says. Of course this includes Gods 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

Take Care.
 
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No. According to the scriptures, God never made the new covenant promise to the gentiles. He only made the new covenant promise to Israel. According to the scriptures, the new covenant was only ever made to Israel who is defined in the new covenant scriptures as all those who through faith now believe and follow Gods' Word. According to the scriptures God's Israel is no longer all those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who are born of the Spirit into God' new covenant promise through faith *Romans 9:6-8; John 3:3-7; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27.

In the new covenant scriptures a Jew, is not a Jew which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. - Romans 2:28-29. According to the scriptures, both Jewish born believers and gentile believers are all now one in Christ and through faith are now Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise *Galatians 3:28-29. Gentiles are now grafted in through faith *Romans 11:13-27.

Therefore if you are not a part of God's Israel under the new covenant you have no part in God's new covenant promise which is only given to God's Israel *Hebrews 8:10-12. According to the scripture the name ISRAEL is only a name given by God to all His people who believe and follow what Gods Word says (scripture support here). God's Israel therefore in the new covenant is simply all those who through faith have been born of the Spirit into God's new covenant promise because they believe and follow what God's Word says.

Of course God's Word includes not breaking God's commandments and believing and following what God's Word says. According to the scriptures if we knowingly break anyone of God's commandments and do not believe and follow Gods' Word it is sin (see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11 and Romans 14:23).

Take Care.
In answer to this question, "Your position is that unless gentiles keep the seventh day sabbath, they cannot be saved, is it not?" Your answer is "No", that is not your position. Albeit what follows does show some hesitancy towards the idea that Gentiles can worship on another day of the week to serve Jesus.

The claim is made: "According to the scriptures, the new covenant was only ever made to Israel who is defined in the new covenant scriptures as all those who through faith now believe and follow Gods' Word."

First off is the understanding of Romans 9:6-8. Israel is not Isaac, nor is Abraham. Their seed is being contrasted with Isaac. Paul is making an appeal that the NC is based on Isaac and not Israel at Sinai. This does not explain the first half of the claim, "the new covenant was only ever made to Israel". What it does do however, is put Israel's theological role as secondary to that of Isaac. Theologically speaking Isaac is pointing to the child of promise, who is Jesus and was even before Abraham. John 8:58

In regards to Jeremiah 31:31-34 , he's concerned with the Jews not Gentiles. Given their circumstances this doesn't mean the NC is only ever made to Israel as Jesus said, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself." John 12:32

None of this is showing how Gentiles are commanded and must worship on the holy 7th day Sabbath.
 
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This is what you said
Your response has nothing to do with with this statement. Breaking bread/having a meal on Sunday or Monday or Tuesday etc. is not a sin. You are trying to make something that was not said into something completely different.
You know I mean Breaking bread as in gathering on Sunday for communion service just as the apostles did. The weren’t going to McDonald’s.
Let’s at least be honest about it.

Worshipping on Sunday which is not the day God commanded us to keep holy or is it the holy day of the Lord thy God or is it a commandment of God leads many to break the 4th commandment which is a sin. Breaking any of God's commandments is sin. 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7

I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.

Well, it’s clear you reject the notion that the Day Christ rose from the dead (which wasn’t Saturday) is the most Holy day in all of history.
That part is clear.

And you reject the apostolic testimony about Sunday gathering to celebrate that Holiest of all days.
That’s clear too.
 
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Not at all. According to the new covenant scriptures and also the very post you are quoting from "he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." -Romans 2:28-29. God's Israel is no longer all those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who are born of the Spirit into God' new covenant promise through faith *Romans 9:6-8; John 3:3-7; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. All of the above however is in the very post you are quoting from. You did not read it did you.

Take Care

I actually have read it. The metaphorical imagery used is quite appealing, but it does nothing to extinguish the physical reality of Israel which is composed of the physical descendants of the man, Israel.

It is similar to the imagery of the church being the bride of Christ. It is a lovely metaphor, but falls apart entirely when pushed to a literal interpretation. The church is composed of both men and women. If the church is female (bride) then it cannot have any males. Otherwise, that would make both the bridegroom and the bride (males) homosexuals.
 
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This is what you said
I asked you to demonstrate from scripture why worshiping on Sunday is a sin. This is your response:
Worshipping on Sunday which is not the day God commanded us to keep holy or is it the holy day of the Lord thy God or is it a commandment of God leads many to break the 4th commandment which is a sin.

Apparently all you have are FEELINGS about what you THINK Sunday worship MIGHT “lead many to do”.

You have no scripture prohibiting The type of gathering for Eucharistic praise on Sundays that the apostles themselves participated in.

Apparently Sunday worship simply hurts your feelings solely because you think people use it for something other than what it is, and not because of any scriptural prohibition. Even though you frame your “feelings” objection as if God Himself said “thou shalt not worship on Sundays” you simply don’t have the scripture to back it up.
 
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I asked you to demonstrate from scripture why worshiping on Sunday is a sin. This is your response:


Apparently all you have are FEELINGS about what you THINK Sunday worship MIGHT “lead many to do”.

You have no scripture prohibiting The type of gathering for Eucharistic praise on Sundays that the apostles themselves participated in.

Apparently Sunday worship simply hurts your feelings because you think people use it for something other than what it is.

You are being much too kind here. I doubt his feelings are the prime reason he finds Sunday worship so deeply offensive. He can correct me if I am mistaken, but he has wholeheartedly embraced the SDA (read that Ellen White's) assertion that Sunday worship is a mortal sin and is the Mark of the Beast.
 
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LoveGodsWord said:
Where your mistake is here is that in the new covenant God's Israel is no longer all those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but according to the scriptures Gods' true ISRAEL are now all those who though faith are now born of the Spirit of God to believe and follow God's Word....
LoveGodsWord said:
Romans 9:6-8 [6], Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL, WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but, In Isaac shall your seed be called. [8], THAT IS, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.
Galatians 3:28-29 [28], There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29], AND IF YOU BE CHRIST'S, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.
Romans 2:28-29 [28], For HE IS NOT A JEW, WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARD IN THE FLESH: [29], But HE IS A JEW, WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Therefore Gods' Israel in the new covenant are now simply all those who through faith have now been born of the Spirit to believe and follow what God's Word says. God's new covenant promise is to be circumcised in heard to love God and obey His commandments which is what it means to have the law written on the hear through faith that works by love. There are no more Jewish believers and gentile believers all are now one in Christ. Gentiles are now grafted in to Gods' Israel. If you are not a part of Gods' Israel you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise which is to Israel (
Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27).
Also, out of interest, uncircumcised Gentiles although not allowed to enter the temple Sanctuary unless they were proselytes were free to hear the Word of God in the local synagogues (regional gatherings of Jewish believers on the Sabbath) where the Word of God was read every Sabbath. According to the scriptures in the new covenant if we are not a part of God's true ISRAEL then we have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. God never made His new covenant with Gentiles only to ISRAEL which is defined in the new covenant scriptures as all those who through faith have been born of the Spirit and not of the flesh to believe and follow what God's Word says. Of course this includes Gods 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.
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Galatians 3:28-29 [28], There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29], and if you be Christ's, then are you Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise.​
"Abraham's seed," NOT children of Israel.[/quote]
 
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I don't make mistakes! You did.
Galatians 3:28-29 [28], There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29], and if you be Christ's, then are you Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise.​
"Abraham's seed," NOT children of Israel.
Who is the father of Israel?
 
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I asked you to demonstrate from scripture why worshiping on Sunday is a sin. This is your response:


Apparently all you have are FEELINGS about what you THINK Sunday worship MIGHT “lead many to do”.

You have no scripture prohibiting The type of gathering for Eucharistic praise on Sundays that the apostles themselves participated in.

Apparently Sunday worship simply hurts your feelings solely because you think people use it for something other than what it is, and not because of any scriptural prohibition. Even though you frame your “feelings” objection as if God Himself said “thou shalt not worship on Sundays” you simply don’t have the scripture to back it up.
I never said anything about my feelings, so maybe you meant to respond to someone else?

We all have access to the scriptures, I follow what God’s Word teaches instead of what it does not teach. We should make our decisions based on truth and the truth is God’s holy day is and will always be the seventh day Sabbath. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 Isaiah 66:23 We are told to follow Christ and the example Jesus left was teaching God’s Word on the Sabbath day as it was His custom. Luke 4:16. Jesus was in the church on the Sabbath day and Jesus kept all the commandments of God as our example. I have yet to see scripture where it tells us to keep holy the first day, but there is a commandment to keep holy the seventh day Exodus 20:8 which is the same holy day of our Lord thy God. I haven’t found the scripture where we are told not to follow the example of Jesus who taught all about the Sabbath in the New Testament.
 
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The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel alone.

  1. Exodus 31:13
    “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

  2. Ezekiel 20:12
    Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.

  3. Ezekiel 20:20
    Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
These are amazing scriptures and isn’t it comforting that God makes this promise to anyone who is one with Him? Israel in the Bible also means God’s people and you do not have to be born Jewish to be chosen by God. Anyone can be of God’s Israel if you believe and follow the Word of God. Galatians 3:28-29, Romans 9:6-8, Romans 2:28-29

Adam and Eve was created on the six day before Jew or Gentile and the Sabbath was created the very next day Genesis 2:1-3. Jesus clears up any confusion who the Sabbath was made for when He said Sabbath is made for man Mark 2:27
Which we also see in the New Heaven and New Earth ALL FLESH shall worship Him from one Sabbath to another Isaiah 66:23

Thanks for sharing these scriptures and God bless.
 
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Did Jesus keep the Sabbath?

John 9:16 NIV
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

John 5:18 NIV
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
Do you not believe Jesus when He told us He kept all of His Fathers commandments and told us to as well? John 15:10

I hope you are not accusing Jesus of sinning because there would be no hope for any of us. Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath law, but wasn’t, the Pharisees added extra laws that God did not to His Sabbath and Jesus was correcting them.
 
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Isaac. Abraham was the father of Isaac and Isaac was the father of Jacob, later named Israel.
Who is the seed of Abraham? Isaac did not come before Abraham as you already noted.
 
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