Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

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Rather, it's a quite common claim.
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No one is saying we must Disregard Saturday.
No one.

First, Sunday Worship is a separate issue from the sabbath.

Let me repeat that since it doesn't seem to be getting across:

Sunday Worship is a separate issue from the sabbath.

Sunday worship of Jesus has nothing to do with the Jewish Saturday Sabbath.
Nothing.

Do I need to repeat that as well?
Let's hope not.

Let's hope you now understand that It is a separate celebration day altogether, created by Jesus when he rose from the dead on Sunday. Christians from the beginning chose that day to be a special day of worship of the risen Lord.

The early Christians ADDED a Sunday day of worship to honor the Lord's Resurrection Day --- which was Sunday. The Church's 2000-year custom of honoring the Lord's Resurrection on the Lord's Resurrection day should never be despised. Why would anyone want to despise the day of celebration of the Lord's Resurrection Day? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Next, about this *separate issue* of the commandment to keep the sabbath holy. Sabbath simply means "rest"; it does not mean "Saturday." Honoring the sabbath is not attached uniquely to Saturday. That was the Jewish custom, but that was merely a custom. As to the Jewish customs, they were no longer binding upon Christ's church (Acts 15 all).

Both scripture and early church history demonstrate clearly that honoring the Day of Christ's resurrection is the apostolic practice. You deny the scriptural record about gathering on Sundays and refuse the historical proof that Sunday was observed by the early apostolic churches.

The apostles churches had the custom of gathering on Sunday to celebrate that unique day of God's resurrection from the dead in Christ Jesus. This is seen both in scripture *and in all historic witness.* It is indisputably the historic practice of the early Christians.

The unanimous testimony of history records that the church that originated in the first century was a Sunday observing church.

They celebrated Sunday because it was the day of all days, The Lord Jesus' Resurrection Day. They did not celebrate Sunday for any other reason. Nor did they say that this Sunday celebration changed Saturday. What changed how Christians view Saturday is found here (Colossians 2:16-17), here (Acts 15:5-11,24-29, here (Romans 14), here (Hebews 10:1), and here (Matthew 12:1-12).

Sunday observance was practiced always and everywhere by the historic christians and was not questioned until a little sect called the SDAs appear in 1860, about 18 centuries after Jesus founded His one sect.

The SDA and its unique denial of the Lord's Resurrection Day originates with Ellen G White and Captain Joseph Bates following the Great Disappointment of 1844---a failed endtimes movement that reformed itself as the SDA.

This is what you said

Yet SDA's claim Breaking Bread on Sundays (or any day besides Saturday) is a Mortal Sin.

Your response has nothing to do with with this statement. Breaking bread/having a meal on Sunday or Monday or Tuesday etc. is not a sin. You are trying to make something that was not said into something completely different.

Worshipping on Sunday which is not the day God commanded us to keep holy or is it the holy day of the Lord thy God or is it a commandment of God leads many to break the 4th commandment which is a sin. Breaking any of God's commandments is sin. 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7

I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.
 
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Oftentimes Isaiah 66:23 is quoted as proof of future Sabbath observance. But those same folks don't keep the New Moon. And...

Colossians 2:16 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

According to the scriptures Isaiah 66:22-23 is a reference to the new earth not the old current one so the scriptures are in context to different dispensations. For example...

NEW EARTH....

ISAIAH 66:22-23 [22], FOR AS THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, WHICH I WILL MAKE, SHALL REMAIN BEFORE ME, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23], And it shall come to pass, that FROM ONE NEW MOON TO ANOTHER, AND FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME, said the LORD.

This is after the second coming when the new heavens and new earth are made and says from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another shall all flesh come to worship before me says the Lord.

In the old covenant and according to the scriptures the new moons were used to determine the times and the seasons *Genesis 1:14. So very simply if God says to me that in the new heavens and new earth we will come before God to worship Him every New moon and every Sabbath should we not simply believe Gods' Word?

OLD EARTH....

We no longer worship God on the new moons today in the new covenant because the New moons were used to determine the times and the seasons and the starting of the Annual Feast days that where shadows of things to come.

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COLOSSIANS 2:16 says [16], Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

Context show that we are not to let anyone judge us in regards to the meat and drink offerings, the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days because in v17 it says they were shadows of things to come but the body if of Christ. In the old covenant Feast days there were many different kinds of annual sabbaths that were connected directly to the annual Feast days and the New moons and the sabbaths connected to these Feast days that are the shadows of things to come not God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath which is a memorial of creation and one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken.

Take Care.
 
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And nothing you have provided contains any injunctions against Sunday worship! Nowhere in the Bible does it forbid worship on days other than Saturday. Indeed, our Lord said “Pray without ceasing” and “When two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them.” He did not say “Pray without ceasing, but only on the Sabbath” and “When two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them, but only on the Sabbath” Now, speaking of what Scripture actually does require, does the SDA anoint the sick with oil as commanded by the Epistle of St. James?
Where did I ever post to you we cannot worship God on any day of the week? I made no such argument did I? If I made no such arguments why are you pretending that I did? Your making arguments here no one is arguing about. We were discussing sin here not what day can we worship on. We can worship God everyday of the week and so we should. However the point you are missing in this discussion is that God 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 is being broken by the majority of Christianity who have turned away from God and His Word in order to follow man-made teachings and traditions that have led many away from God's Word to break Gods' commandments. Jesus (not me) says that if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:2-9. So who should we believe and follow in your view; God or man? Sin according to the new covenant scriptures is the breaking of anyone of God's 10 commandments according to James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4 and Romans 7:7 and not believing and following what Gods' Word says in Romans 14:23 and according to Hebrews 10:26-31 if we continue in known unrepentant sin we will be in danger of the judgement. Something to pray about.

Take Care.
 
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Indeed. This specifically validates what @Der Alte , whose fine exegesis I have come to trust and admire, was saying.
Really? Please post the link to this fine exegesis I must have missed it. If no such link exists why are you pretending that it does?

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LoveGodsWord said: Here you go......

Hebrews 10:26-31
26, FOR IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER WE RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS,
27, BUT A FEARFUL LOOKING FORWARD FOR OF JUDGEMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION, WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES.
28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29, OF HOW MUCH MORE SORER PUNISHMENT, SUPPOSE YOU, SHALL HE BE THOUGHT WORTHY, WHO HAS TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAS COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WITH WHICH HE WAS SANCTIFIED AN UNHOLY THING AND HAS DONE DESPITE TO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
30, For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31, IT IS A FEARFUL THING TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF THE LIVING GOD.

How does the context change the meaning of what is written in the above scriptures?

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SOME QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO HEBREWS 10:26-31

Q1. Is it ok in your view to sin willfully after God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word?

Q2. Are those who continue in known unrepentant sin after they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word not in danger of the judgement if they continue in known unrepentant sin?

Q3. Is it not a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God if God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we choose to reject it in order to continue living in a life of known unrepentant sin?

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Take Care.
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You do have my sincere sympathy. I hope you have embraced the fact that you will be spending an eternity in the lake of fire which burns forever and ever.
Non responsive to the post and scriptures and questions asked of you that you are quoting from.
 
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Better yet, show one that says we can't.

He dcid so implicitly by rising from
the dead on the First Day.

Yep.

See above.

It's in the New Testament. The one that talks about our Lord Christ.

Then Your Bible is missing the most important part - the Gospels!

Gotta read the new part as well. That's where Christianity comes from.

Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is none. Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says (James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23) and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin. Of course in times of ignorance God winks at until he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word at which time he calls all men everywhere to believe and follow what God's Word says *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31. According to Hebrews 10:26-31 if we reject Gods' Word in order to continue in a life of known unrepentant sin there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come because by continuing in sin we reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace. We as God's people need to be prayerfully careful here because there is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in place of God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7.

Take Care.
 
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Colossians 2:16-17 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
The context of Colossians 2:16-17 is to the meat and drink offerings and the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days that where shadows of things to come. Not Gods' 4th commandment "seventh day Sabbath" of the 10 commandments that is a is a memorial of creation pointing backwards to the finished work of creation that does not point forward to things to come (Exodus 20:8-11; Genesis 2:1-3).
Romans 14:4-6 4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
Romans 14 is talking about eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days and judging others in this regard. It is not talking about the days the God esteems over other days and says nothing anywhere about Gods' 4th commandments "seventh day" Sabbath. According to the scriptures the things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes *Luke 16:15. You need to read the Sabbath into Romans 14 when there is no mention of God's 4th commandment there at all (eisegesis) which is and interpretation of the scriptures that is not biblical.

Galatians 4:9-119 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you. Note Paul did not say the Galatians were observing the wrong special days and months and seasons and years![/QUOTE]

Actually no. Context shows that Galatians 4:9-11 is talking about Gentile believers (Galatians 4:8) returning to again to sin to be in bondage to sin. Here lets add the context in..

Galatians 4:4-11 [4], But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, [5], To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [6], And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. [7], Therefore you are no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. [8], BUT THEN, WHEN YOU KNEW NOT GOD, YOU DID SERVICE UNTO THEM WHICH BY NATURE ARE NO GODS. [9], BUT NOW, AFTER YOU HAVE KNOWN GOD, OR RATHER ARE KNOWN OF GOD, HOW TURN YOU AGAIN TO THE WEAK AND BEGGARLY ELEMENTS, TO WHICH YOU DESIRE AGAIN TO BE IN BONDAGE? [10], YOU OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11], I AM AFRAID FOR YOU, LEST I HAVE BESTOWED UPON YOU LABOR IN VAIN.

Note v8-9 Paul is stating that these Galatians are returning back from following God to when they knew not God to serve those things that are not God to which they were previously in bondage to before they came to know God (important context).

Galatians 4:8-11 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, where unto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.

Note: Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths. Its speaking of those who observe times.

Deuteronomy 18:9-11 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God gives thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that uses divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Note: The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?

2 Chronicles 33:3-6 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Note: Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

Leviticus 19:26-30 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

Take Care.
 
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Only God knows what I do or don't do and we will all have to answer to Him. :)

That evades the question. The fact that you choose to ignore some of God's commandments is not a light matter relative to what day you choose to attend church.
 
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That evades the question. The fact that you choose to ignore some of God's commandments is not a light matter relative to what day you choose to attend church.
There was not a question, just an accusation from someone that has no idea what I do or not do since I have never met you. I do not take lightly breaking the commandments of God and no one should. God bless
 
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There was not a question, just an accusation from someone that has no idea what I do or not do since I have never met you. I do not take lightly breaking the commandments of God and no one should. God bless

Very well. How many of God's commandments in the Old Testament do you intentionally obey?
 
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Very well. How many of God's commandments in the Old Testament do you intentionally obey?
We are in the New Covenant now and God’s laws are written in the heart and mind and we obey them because that is how we express love to God John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3 and they are in our minds so they are shown through our actions

Jesus came to magnify God’s law Isaiah 42:21 and for some reason people teach Jesus came to reduce the laws but magnify means to make greater, not lesser and Jesus demonstrates this by directly quoting from the Ten Commandment Matthew 5:17-30

I hope this helps. I am off for now

God bless and Happy Sabbath all! :)
 
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We are in the New Covenant now and God’s laws are written in the heart and mind and we obey them because that is how we express love to God John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3 and they are in our minds so they are shown through our actions

Jesus came to magnify God’s law Isaiah 42:21 and for some reason people teach Jesus came to reduce the laws but magnify means to make greater, not lesser and Jesus demonstrates this by directly quoting from the Ten Commandment Matthew 5:17-30

I hope this helps. I am off for now

God bless and Happy Sabbath all! :)

Fantastic! We are no longer obligated to go to church on Saturday just like the Jews do.
 
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There was not a question, just an accusation from someone that has no idea what I do or not do since I have never met you. I do not take lightly breaking the commandments of God and no one should. God bless
When I was about 14 both my parents were hospitalized and I was fostered with an SDA family for a few months. They were very strict about the Sabbath. Their 18 year old son took some young ladies home from church one Sabbath. Enroute he had some kind of trouble with the car, he went home, got some tools and was doing something under the hood. The father came home at that moment, saw him and blew a gasket. The son had to take the girls home in his father's car.
I did not see or hear of any other OT references. But I'm pretty sure the SDA do not observe Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread, Pentecost, feast of booths etc.
 
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Really? Please post the link to this fine exegesis I must have missed it. If no such link exists why are you pretending that it does?

Take Care.

Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

For that matter, pretty much everything @Der Alte posts I agree with. He’s a masterful exegete who I feel I can trust to give reliable answers to central questions of Christian doctrine. And this is despite the doctrinal differences between us - for example, I believe in the baptism of infants and in the physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist, whereas @Der Alte is a Baptist. But we don’t have to agree on all issues of doctrine, because when he posts, I know I am getting a perfectly scriptural, sola fide answer.
 
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Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

For that matter, pretty much everything @Der Alte posts I agree with. He’s a masterful exegete who I feel I can trust to give reliable answers to central questions of Christian doctrine. And this is despite the doctrinal differences between us - for example, I believe in the baptism of infants and in the physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist, whereas @Der Alte is a Baptist. But we don’t have to agree on all issues of doctrine, because when he posts, I know I am getting a perfectly scriptural, sola fide answer.

Here is the rebuttal here linked. Perhaps you missed it. If you disagree please provide your response to the linked rebuttal showing why you disagree. If you cannot all you you have are your words disagreeing with Gods' Word when according to the scriptures only God's Words are true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

Take Care.
 
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Where did I ever post to you we cannot worship God on any day of the week?

In the post which my post is responding to I thought. I mean, it looks like you were very strongly suggesting that Sunday worship is somehow against the commandments of God.
 
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Here is the rebuttal here linked. Perhaps you missed it. If you disagree please provide your response to the linked rebuttal showing why you disagree.

Why should I? Others have already posted counter-rebuttals, which I agreed with. I do have a job, and a ministry, and constraints on my time

If you cannot all you you have are your words disagreeing with Gods' Word when according to the scriptures only God's Words are true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

I have the Gospel of Jesus Christ, who is the Word of God, who is the fulfillment of the Law.

As I have argued in another thread and will continue to argue, Sacred Scripture is not the Word of God; the Word of God, according to Sacred Scripture, is Jesus Christ, God Incarnate.

This discussion is by the way incredibly ironic to me, to the point of being amusing, because I actually lead a worship service on Saturdays . I support worship on Saturday as well as Sunday. So in theory, no Adventist should have any objection to me on those grounds, yet I am being judged on the basis of my supposed non-observance of Sabbaths on which I conduct worship services.

As I have said repeatedly, I believe that church services should be held at a minimum on Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and it is spiritually healthy for Christians to attend as many of those as possible.
 
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