Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

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It is supported by scripture and it is Biblical. @Der Alte has shown us how the fourth commandment is not binding in the formal ritualistic sense upon non-Jews, and in Christ Jesus, there is neither Jew nor Greek (Hellene, which is to say, Pagan Gentile).

But even if you disagree with that, you cannot deny that the Gospels clearly state that God reposed in a tomb on the Sabbath. He rested on the Seventh Day after remaking man in His image on Good Friday, just as He rested on the Seventh Day after making man in His image on the Sixth Day.
Neither you nor your friend has provided any scripture for your tradition of Sunday worship. They are simply man-made teachings and traditions not supported in the scriptures. Your welcome to provide scripture if you like so we can discuss them.

Take Care.
 
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Neither you nor your friend has provided any scripture for your tradition of Sunday worship. They are simply man-made teachings and traditions not supported in the scriptures. Your welcome to provide scripture if you like so we can discuss them.

Take Care.

And nothing you have provided contains any injunctions against Sunday worship! Nowhere in the Bible does it forbid worship on days other than Saturday. Indeed, our Lord said “Pray without ceasing” and “When two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them.” He did not say “Pray without ceasing, but only on the Sabbath” and “When two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them, but only on the Sabbath”

Now, speaking of what Scripture actually does require, does the SDA anoint the sick with oil as commanded by the Epistle of St. James?
 
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Oftentimes Isaiah 66:23 is quoted as proof of future Sabbath observance. But those same folks don't keep the New Moon. And...

Colossians 2:16 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
 
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Oftentimes Isaiah 66:23 is quoted as proof of future Sabbath observance. But those same folks don't keep the New Moon. And...

Colossians 2:16 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Indeed. This specifically validates what @Der Alte , whose fine exegesis I have come to trust and admire, was saying.
 
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Here you go......

Hebrews 10:26-31
26, FOR IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER WE RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS,
27, BUT A FEARFUL LOOKING FORWARD FOR OF JUDGEMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION, WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES.
28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29, OF HOW MUCH MORE SORER PUNISHMENT, SUPPOSE YOU, SHALL HE BE THOUGHT WORTHY, WHO HAS TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAS COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WITH WHICH HE WAS SANCTIFIED AN UNHOLY THING AND HAS DONE DESPITE TO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
30, For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31, IT IS A FEARFUL THING TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF THE LIVING GOD.

How does the context change the meaning of what is written in the above scriptures?

..............

SOME QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO HEBREWS 10:26-31

Q1. Is it ok in your view to sin willfully after God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word?

Q2. Are those who continue in known unrepentant sin after they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word not in danger of the judgement if they continue in known unrepentant sin?

Q3. Is it not a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God if God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we choose to reject it in order to continue living in a life of known unrepentant sin?

.................

Take Care.

You do have my sincere sympathy. I hope you have embraced the fact that you will be spending an eternity in the lake of fire which burns forever and ever.
 
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Now, speaking of what Scripture actually does require, does the SDA anoint the sick with oil as commanded by the Epistle of St. James?

We Catholics Sure do!
Indeed, when Holding up the religious practices of Catholics and SDAs to those of the Apostles, I find the Catholic practices line up in far greater detail to the Apostolic practices than do the watered down practices of the SDAs.
 
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I personally believe Shabbat to be a foreshadow of the Messiah Jesus. Now we have seen Him revealed. We can rest in Him.

however even though keeping it isn't binding its a good reason to take a rest once a week and be reminded of this sabbath.

"remember the Sabbath " is the command. So it's not about keeping a list of rules but remembering Jewish and what He did for us.

The only thing I don't do on Shabbat (unless i can't help it) is work
 
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We Catholics Sure do!
Indeed, when Holding up the religious practices of Catholics and SDAs to those of the Apostles, I find the Catholic practices line up in far greater detail to the Apostolic practices than do the watered down practices of the SDAs.

One must keep in mind that the SDA is fully locked into the religious practices of nineteenth-century American Protestantism. The only difference is their insistence on Saturday as the obligatory day of worship with worship on any other day, especially Sunday, being a mortal sin.
 
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Oftentimes Isaiah 66:23 is quoted as proof of future Sabbath observance. But those same folks don't keep the New Moon. And...

Colossians 2:16 NIV
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.


I think it could be referring to the new earth.

I think maybe (can't say for sure) that we will keep Shabbat on the new earth.
 
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Show us scripture where we are to keep Sunday holy?
Better yet, show one that says we can't.

Or where God blessed Sunday and sanctified it?
He dcid so implicitly by rising from
the dead on the First Day.

Or Sunday in Heaven will be the day we will be worshipping our Lord and Savior?
Yep.

Where did God deem Sunday the Holy day to Him?
See above.

These would be important scripture to find
It's in the New Testament. The one that talks about our Lord Christ.

because in my bible these descriptions only refers to the seventh day
Then Your Bible is missing the most important part - the Gospels!

Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 66:23
Gotta read the new part as well. That's where Christianity comes from.
 
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Better yet, show one that says we can't.

He dcid so implicitly by rising from
the dead on the First Day.

Yep.

See above.

It's in the New Testament. The one that talks about our Lord Christ.

Then Your Bible is missing the most important part - the Gospels!

Gotta read the new part as well. That's where Christianity comes from.
Feel free to make a case though scripture. I see you did not provide any that responds directly to my post.

I prefer to obey what God did command instead of what He didn't. That way we know we are walking with Christ, I would not want to gamble on something like this, but we all have free will. God bless
 
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Feel free to make a case though scripture.

Scripture mentions two Sunday gatherings, both at 1 Cor 16:1-2, and in the breaking of bread on Sunday (Acts 20:7). This, combined with the universal practice of Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day among the earliest Christians, proves what was the apostolic tradition as taught by the apostles personally to their churches (2 Thess 1:15; 1 Cor 11:2).

"Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us."

"I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you"

In the year 100AD, Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch states:

Ingatius, Bishop of Antioch (AD 100)
"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death - whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master - how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, being come, raised them from the dead (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Magnesians; Ch 9)

This simple statement by a bishop of one of the apostles' churches echoes that which was stated in an even earlier historic document, The Epistle of Barnabas:

Epistle of Barnabas
"Finally He [God] says to them: I cannot bear your new moons and Sabbaths. You see what he means: It is not the present Sabbaths that are acceptable to me, but the one that I have made; on that Sabbath day, which is the beginning of another world. This is why we spend the eighth day in celebration, the day on which Jesus both arose from the dead and, after appearing again, ascended into heaven."

And that statement is followed by many other statements on the subject by the earliest Christians of the apostolic age. Justin Martyr, in about 150 AD says: "On Sunday, we meet to celebrate the Lord's supper and read the Gospels and Sacred Scripture, the first day on which God changed darkness, and made the world, and on which Christ rose from the dead."

And this Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day continued for centuries without interruption. As Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea writes around the year AD 300: "The day of [Christ's] light...was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord's day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186).

And so things continued through all the ecumenical councils of the early Church, and even on through the protestant reformation.

The traditions were known by the real, historical practice of the first christians everywhere---which was Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day. This day, which was always distinct from the Mosaic Sabbath, was the premier day of Christianity, for Christ's Resurrection was the premier day of all history.
 
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Scripture mentions two Sunday gatherings, both at 1 Cor 16:1-2, and in the breaking of bread on Sunday (Acts 20:7). This, combined with the universal practice of Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day among the earliest Christians, proves what was the apostolic tradition as taught by the apostles personally to their churches (2 Thess 1:15; 1 Cor 11:2).

"Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us."

"I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you"

In the year 100AD, Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch states:

Ingatius, Bishop of Antioch (AD 100)
"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death - whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master - how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, being come, raised them from the dead (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Magnesians; Ch 9)

This simple statement by a bishop of one of the apostles' churches echoes that which was stated in an even earlier historic document, The Epistle of Barnabas:

Epistle of Barnabas
"Finally He [God] says to them: I cannot bear your new moons and Sabbaths. You see what he means: It is not the present Sabbaths that are acceptable to me, but the one that I have made; on that Sabbath day, which is the beginning of another world. This is why we spend the eighth day in celebration, the day on which Jesus both arose from the dead and, after appearing again, ascended into heaven."
And that statement is followed by many other statements on the subject by the earliest Christians of the apostolic age. Justin Martyr, in about 150 AD says: "On Sunday, we meet to celebrate the Lord's supper and read the Gospels and Sacred Scripture, the first day on which God changed darkness, and made the world, and on which Christ rose from the dead."

And this Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day continued for centuries without interruption. As Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea writes around the year AD 300: "The day of [Christ's] light...was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord's day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186).

And so things continued through all the ecumenical councils of the early Church, and even on through the protestant reformation.

The traditions were known by the real, historical practice of the first christians everywhere---which was Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day. This day, which was always distinct from the Mosaic Sabbath, was the premier day of Christianity, for Christ's Resurrection was the premier day of all history.

The one scripture you provided does not tell us that Sunday is a holy day to us or to God. The disciples broke bread daily Acts 2:46 but God did not deem everyday was holy.

Feel free to make a case though scripture. :)

God bless
 
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The disciples broke bread daily Acts 2:46

Yet SDA's claim Breaking Bread on Sundays (or any day besides Saturday) is a Mortal Sin.

Feel free to make THAT case through Scripture.

And Help us understand why you reject the day of Jesus' resurrection as being the Primeier Holy day of ALL History.
 
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Feel free to make a case though scripture. I see you did not provide any that responds directly to my post.

I prefer to obey what God did command instead of what He didn't. That way we know we are walking with Christ, I would not want to gamble on something like this, but we all so have free will. God bless

God commanded a host of things that you routinely ignore. Why is that?
 
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The one scripture you provided does not tell us that Sunday is a holy day to us or to God. The disciples broke bread daily Acts 2:46 but God did not deem everyday was holy.
Feel free to make a case though scripture.
God bless
Colossians 2:16-17
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.​
Pagan religious rites did not have Sabbaths. There are no religious festivals or new moon celebrations required for Christians in the NT.
Romans 14:4-6
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
Galatians 4:9-11
9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?
10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.​
Note Paul did not say the Galatians were observing the wrong special days and months and seasons and years!
 
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Colossians 2:16-17
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.​
Pagan religious rites did not have Sabbaths. There are no religious festivals or new moon celebrations required for Christians in the NT.
Romans 14:4-6
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
Galatians 4:9-11
9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?
10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.​
Note Paul did not say the Galatians were observing the wrong special days and months and seasons and years!


That does not answer the questions I asked. I asked where does it say anywhere in the entire bible that God deemed the first day holy to us or to Him? Where does it say we will worship Him in the New Heaven or New earth on the first day? Where did God bless the first day or sanctify? Where does it say the first day is a day of worship or solemn rest?

None of your scriptures you quote delete the 4th commandment and the day that is holy to God and told for us to Remember and keep holy.

Colossians 2:14-16 is about food and drink if you read in its proper context it has nothing to do with God's weekly Sabbath day and 4th commandment but has everything to do with the annual feasts sabbath(s) ordinances found in the law of Moses that is about food and drink and is a shadow law that points to Christ as He is our perfect LAMB sacrifice. The Sabbath is not a shadow as it points to Creation "Remember" Exodus 20:8-11 - Genesis 2:1-3 God's Ten Commandments came in a covenant of Ten, not nine.

In the Garden the serpent told Eve "she would not surely die eating the tree of knowledge", which was the exact opposite of what God told her.

God said to Remember His holy Sabbath day, the holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13 - who really wants us to do the opposite of what God says? It's not God.

Jesus said to obey the commandments of God and not worship in vain by obeying traditions over commandments. Matthew 15:3-9 God gives us free will but we should always obey God over man.

God bless
 
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Yet SDA's claim Breaking Bread on Sundays (or any day besides Saturday) is a Mortal Sin.

Feel free to make THAT case through Scripture.

And Help us understand why you reject the day of Jesus' resurrection as being the Primeier Holy day of ALL History.
No one has ever said that. No one is rejecting Jesus rising. Jesus never said when He rises there will be a new day of worship and we can disregard God's holy day from Creation. This is a man-made teaching changed by the Roman Catholic church who admit it did not come from any scriptural authority.

Breaking a commandment of God is sin, which includes the 4th commandment. Exodus 20:8-11, 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7
 
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No one has ever said that.

Rather, it's a quite common claim.
How Is The Mark Of The Beast Sunday Worship?
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No one is rejecting Jesus rising. Jesus never said when He rises that will be a new day of worship and we can disregard God's holy day from Creation.

No one is saying we must Disregard Saturday.
No one.

First, Sunday Worship is a separate issue from the sabbath.

Let me repeat that since it doesn't seem to be getting across:

Sunday Worship is a separate issue from the sabbath.

Sunday worship of Jesus has nothing to do with the Jewish Saturday Sabbath.
Nothing.

Do I need to repeat that as well?
Let's hope not.

Let's hope you now understand that It is a separate celebration day altogether, created by Jesus when he rose from the dead on Sunday. Christians from the beginning chose that day to be a special day of worship of the risen Lord.

The early Christians ADDED a Sunday day of worship to honor the Lord's Resurrection Day --- which was Sunday. The Church's 2000-year custom of honoring the Lord's Resurrection on the Lord's Resurrection day should never be despised. Why would anyone want to despise the day of celebration of the Lord's Resurrection Day? The most consequential and Holy day IN ALL OF HISTORY. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Next, about this *separate issue* of the commandment to keep the sabbath holy. Sabbath simply means "rest"; it does not mean "Saturday." Honoring the sabbath is not attached uniquely to Saturday. That was the Jewish custom, but that was merely a custom. As to the Jewish customs, they were no longer binding upon Christ's church (Acts 15 all).

Both scripture and early church history demonstrate clearly that honoring the Day of Christ's resurrection is the apostolic practice. You deny the scriptural record about gathering on Sundays and refuse the historical proof that Sunday was observed by the early apostolic churches.

The apostles churches had the custom of gathering on Sunday to celebrate that unique day of God's resurrection from the dead in Christ Jesus. This is seen both in scripture *and in all historic witness.* It is indisputably the historic practice of the early Christians.

The unanimous testimony of history records that the church that originated in the first century was a Sunday observing church.

They celebrated Sunday because it was the day of all days, The Lord Jesus' Resurrection Day. They did not celebrate Sunday for any other reason. Nor did they say that this Sunday celebration changed Saturday. What changed how Christians view Saturday is found here (Colossians 2:16-17), here (Acts 15:5-11,24-29, here (Romans 14), here (Hebews 10:1), and here (Matthew 12:1-12).

Sunday observance was practiced always and everywhere by the historic christians and was not questioned until a little sect called the SDAs appear in 1860, about 18 centuries after Jesus founded His one sect.

The SDA and its unique denial of the Lord's Resurrection Day originates with Ellen G White and Captain Joseph Bates following the Great Disappointment of 1844---a failed endtimes movement that reformed itself as the SDA.
 
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