The Woman and the chapter Rev 12

Douggg said:

Yes, they are Christians. But they are Jews, the children of Israel. They become Christians in the middle of the 7 years, as Revelation 12:10 indicates.

The ones in Revelation 12:17 are the rest of her (Israel's) children.

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The only other child that it mentions is Jesus Himself. You can try to act like she has other children all you want, but it says nothing about any of her children except Jesus Himself and the rest of her children besides Jesus which are those who follow Jesus.

What about the other children, that the dragon cannot access because they are in the wilderness, and the earth swallowed up the flood?

Those are the Jews living in Judah who flee to the mountains when they see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place.

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The fleeing to the mountains had to do with destruction that was coming upon Jerusalem in 70 AD. They needed to flee from that since God didn't want them to get caught up in that since the destruction was meant for unbelievers.

Revelation 12 isn't about that event. Revelation 12 is about persecution against believers while the event relating to the need for Jews to flee to the mountains was related to God's wrath against unbelievers that He carried out by way of the Roman armies that came to destroy Jerusalem and the temple buildings in 70 AD.

Think about it. Where does Jesus say anything about fleeing persecution in Matthew 24:15-22? The parallel passage of Luke 21:20-24 makes it clear that it had to do with armies surrounding Jerusalem to attack it which relates directly to Luke 19:41-44 which clearly had to do with God's wrath against unbelieving Jews.

Spiritual Jew said:

What do you mean?

I don't believe 2 Thess 2 is speaking of the same thing as Matthew 24:15-22/Mark 13:14-20/Luke 21:20-24.

Right. Those who heeded Jesus's warning would have fled into the mountains at that time just like He said to do. He didn't want them caught up in the attack by the Roman armies on Jerusalem.

Who was that? Again, I don't think that is what Paul was writing about in 2 Thess 2.

I'm sorry, but I don't really know what you're talking about here. What two witnesses were there?

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Hi

Spiritual Jew said:

What do you mean?

I don't believe 2 Thess 2 is speaking of the same thing as Matthew 24:15-22/Mark 13:14-20/Luke 21:20-24.

Right. Those who heeded Jesus's warning would have fled into the mountains at that time just like He said to do. He didn't want them caught up in the attack by the Roman armies on Jerusalem.

Who was that? Again, I don't think that is what Paul was writing about in 2 Thess 2.

I'm sorry, but I don't really know what you're talking about here. What two witnesses were there?

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My point is that the kingdom that comes and covers the earth and has no end can only have one beginning. The culmination of rev is the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our LORD and His Christ and he shall rule forever. Now the beast is destroyed by coming of the LORD and so too is the man of sin in 2 Thes 2. Dan 7 also has the same guy described as a pompous one who is persecuting for a time times and half a time then the kingdom comes and the pompous one is given to the flame. All of these passages are describing the same events and in the end passages like Zech 14 show the 2nd coming and it happens when Jerusalem is being overrun and this is the day the LORD kills the invaders and again the LORD is king over all the earth. I bring up Isaiah 61 as Rev is the day of vengeance of our God and the deliverance of Zion is described and distinction at that time are made between Jew and Gentile .

In a previous post I quoted Luke one which describes all the things Jesus accomplished at the 2nd coming when he takes the throne of David and it notes Jesus will keep the promises, oaths, covenants. and prophecies to deliver Israel and from that time on they will worship without fear and in holiness all the days of their lives. If you listed all the before and after realities at this one interesection there would be hundreds of verses. This short synopsis is an overview of the plot line and in this story Israel is the woman, it is the time in Hosea where not my people will become the children of the living God.

Brian Mcnamee said:

Hi

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Hello.

Brian Mcnamee said:

My point is that the kingdom that comes and covers the earth and has no end can only have one beginning. The culmination of rev is the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our LORD and His Christ and he shall rule forever. Now the beast is destroyed by coming of the LORD and so too is the man of sin in 2 Thes 2. Dan 7 also has the same guy described as a pompous one who is persecuting for a time times and half a time then the kingdom comes and the pompous one is given to the flame. All of these passages are describing the same events and in the end passages like Zech 14 show the 2nd coming and it happens when Jerusalem is being overrun and this is the day the LORD kills the invaders and again the LORD is king over all the earth. I bring up Isaiah 61 as Rev is the day of vengeance of our God and the deliverance of Zion is described and distinction at that time are made between Jew and Gentile .

In a previous post I quoted Luke one which describes all the things Jesus accomplished at the 2nd coming when he takes the throne of David and it notes Jesus will keep the promises, oaths, covenants. and prophecies to deliver Israel and from that time on they will worship without fear and in holiness all the days of their lives. If you listed all the before and after realities at this one interesection there would be hundreds of verses. This short synopsis is an overview of the plot line and in this story Israel is the woman, it is the time in Hosea where not my people will become the children of the living God.

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No offense, but you are hard to follow. You're kind of all over the place with your comments. But I can understand enough of what you said to know that we're pretty far apart in how we see things. I'll just leave it at that for now.

Just The Facts said:

Hi All

I know another long one but I promise it is worth the read.

Who is the Woman in Rev 12:

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My belief is that this astrological alignment of September 23, 2017 was the literal fulfillment of this prophecy: