People Were Warned This Would Happen

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The second they attached the vaccine to buying and selling, to employment etc it became a religious issue.

Oh good. People are always reasonable about those.

Yes, pre-covid I had a discussion w someone, this started coming up I think over wedding cake makers refusing service to homosexual couples and then getting banned or something. So this application or interpretation of the MOB(tm) I have seen before.

Certain things I remember thinking "oh boy those 2 interpretations should never ever be mixed together" are about to mix together.
 
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Not everyone believes the mark will be physical, it's literally the counterfeit of the seal of God, which is likewise not physical...

That's where problems exist, not among people who might be mentally disturbed following half baked conspiracy theories, but because of people like me who don't now nor ever have seen the mark of the beast to be a physical mark.

The second they attached the vaccine to buying and selling, to employment etc it became a religious issue.

Really scared about COVID vaccine

^^^ link to my post prior to the vaccine being attached to buying and selling where I clearly say the mark of the beast isn't physical.

Off topic here, I do know this, but if you want we could discuss it elsewhere.
No, it's fine. And you may well be right. The "beasts" may also be symbolic of organisations. Some thought the EU was the beast, the Catholic organisation, a computer hidden somewhere - the speculation is endless. When whatever it is comes to pass, God will ensure that His people know. That's His promise. Those who reject Christ will be deceived. That, sadly for them, is also certain.
 
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Here's some anecdotal evidence: my brother moved to Fort Worth Texas last year and his community has a large black componant. When he went in for his vax shot, there was a large waiting line with no black people at all.

This Vax issue is all about trusting the government and the black community has little such trust.
It's disappointing that it took this long for someone to being this up...Tuskegee was no small thing. Whether it's appropriate to compare to modern times or not there is some baggage.
 
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Oh good. People are always reasonable about those.

Yes, pre-covid I had a discussion w someone, this started coming up I think over wedding cake makers refusing service to homosexual couples and then getting banned or something. So this application or interpretation of the MOB(tm) I have seen before.

Certain things I remember thinking "oh boy those 2 interpretations should never ever be mixed together" are about to mix together.

Yep... I said it when people first started talking about vaccine passports, they would make it an impossible situation for some.

As for me, so long as this situation exists, I CAN'T take the vaccine. Can't. It's not even a confusion in my mind, based on everything I believe, I would die now before getting vaccinated.

Which is sad, because I generally believe in vaccinations. Had they left it alone and let it be a simple vaccination this wouldn't be the case for many, but now... now it's a very real religious issue.

And if they push it all the way, you'll see a lot of people die over it who may have otherwise been vaccinated.
 
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BLM organizer says de Blasio vaccine mandate weaponized against black community

So, I hate saying I told you so...but I did. Several other posters pointed this out as well.

Vaccine mandates will disproportionately affect the black community (and latino communities if I'm not mistaken).

These folks at BLM aren't too happy about it...

"Seventy-two percent of black people in this city from ages 18 to 44 are unvaccinated," Chivona Newsome said during a Monday protest in New York City. "So what is going to stop the Gestapo, I mean the NYPD, from rounding up black people, from snatching them off the train, off the bus?

Newsome warned that her group could respond with an "uprising" similar to the ones that followed the death of George Floyd in the summer of 2020.

We’re putting this city on notice that your mandate will not be another racist social distance practice. Black people are not going to stand by, or you will see another uprising. And that is not a threat. That is a promise,” she said. “The vaccination passport is not a free passport to racism.

Huh...I know it was fun for a lot of people when BLM was angry at cops. I also know a lot of folks on here were giddy at the idea that all these unvaccinated people were white conspiracy loving Republicans and the idea of forcing them out of businesses and jobs was slightly euphoric.

How do you feel about it now? Do you still think any system that disproportionately affects black people in a negative way = systemic racism? Do you think that perhaps BLM is a little too quick to call things racist? Do you think that the vaccine mandate is still a good idea?

Thoughts?

The government shouldn't force (mandate) anyone to take any drugs .... period! Nor should they force employers to do so on their behalf either.
 
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As for me, so long as this situation exists, I CAN'T take the vaccine. Can't. It's not even a confusion in my mind, based on everything I believe, I would die now before getting vaccinated.

I don't agree with your position, but I understand the flow of thought that takes you there.
Based on this and many other things, I think it's probably a bad idea to mandate the vaccinations at this point in time. To be clear - I don't personally think that any of the underlying objections or fears are valid, I think most of them are based on false interpretations of data driven by fear or propaganda, but I do think they may all sum up into 'pushing it will actually do more harm than good' to the country. The country isn't ready for it, or has talked itself out of being ready for it. It's still voluntarily available for all who want it, and the country as a whole will need to deal with that being < a certain number I think and all that entails.

So... while I am vaxxed and you won't see me at rallies railing one way or another, I think that "pushing" is going to result in a potential explosion that will fill up hospital wards faster than Covid.

If you follow the logical progression of

"I'll lose my soul if I take the MOB(tm)"
-> "The mandatory vax is the MOB(tm)"
-> "All people who have taken the vax are soulless..."
->
->

I'm not going to fill in the remaining -> but they are pretty obvious to me and anyone with a grasp of human nature.

And if they push it all the way, you'll see a lot of people die over it who may have otherwise been vaccinated.

You may see them do worse things than die over it.
 
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"I'll lose my soul if I take the MOB(tm)"
-> "The mandatory vax is the MOB(tm)"
-> "All people who have taken the vax are soulless...

It's not "lose my soul", and "are soulless" but rather, its "lose eternal life in heaven" and "lost their eternal reward if they took it for the wrong reasons"

Otherwise, I agree with you on everything.

We don't have to agree on faith matters.. what matters is that people legitimately hold their beliefs, whatever those beliefs may be (or may not be). That's something that can't be changed, at least not easily, and certainly not by government mandate.

I would like to see vaccines just be medicine again and stop being a political tool. It never should have been anything else.
 
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It's not "lose my soul", and "are soulless" but rather, its "lose eternal life in heaven" and "lost their eternal reward if they took it for the wrong reasons"

Gotcha - I'm glad that's your interpretation, but I *have* heard it expressed that way by others, and interpretations vary, growing more extreme with time and misplaced necessity
 
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FWIW, "Hawk Newsome has no relation to the Black Lives Matter Global Network (“BLM”) founded by Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza, and Opal Tometi — and is not the “president” of BLM or any of its chapters."
 
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They didnt list any reasons in the article.

Luckily, there's another article that spoke with the other BLM chapter leader that did.

Black Lives Matter of Greater New York leader blasts vaccine mandates as racist and disrespectful

Basically, they don't trust vaccines or the government, and spiritual reasons.
Chivona Newsome and her brother Hawk Newsome are not part of BLM and never have been. in 2013 they created a web domain called Greater New York Black Lives Matter and have used it as a money making platform and a publicity platform for themselves since. Conservative news organizations know they are not part of BLM but love to represent them as such.


Medical discrimination? The medical community has been trying hard to get black people vaccinated.

I don't think discrimination can account for nearly 75% of black NY residents not having the vaccine.
NYC covid database indicate that 44% of African american's in New York City have had some form of Covid 19 vaccination
 
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Given the recent info that this isn't ACTUALLY a BLM chapter, I thought I'd go check out the BLM website.

Strange that, unlike what the OP may be inferring, the BLM website doesn't say a word about this story; and certainly nothing about jackbooted police using the cover of vaccines to repress black people.

Of course, to my disappointment it says nothing about vaccines at ALL. That's not okay either....at least to me.
 
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What, you want a freaking research paper? I told you it's not that simple to just convey

It's too complicated to explain...

Well I'm sure you'll forgive anyone who doesn't believe it's real, and obviously you can't be upset no one is fixing it
 
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BLM organizer says de Blasio vaccine mandate weaponized against black community

So, I hate saying I told you so...but I did. Several other posters pointed this out as well.

Vaccine mandates will disproportionately affect the black community (and latino communities if I'm not mistaken).

These folks at BLM aren't too happy about it...

"Seventy-two percent of black people in this city from ages 18 to 44 are unvaccinated," Chivona Newsome said during a Monday protest in New York City. "So what is going to stop the Gestapo, I mean the NYPD, from rounding up black people, from snatching them off the train, off the bus?

Newsome warned that her group could respond with an "uprising" similar to the ones that followed the death of George Floyd in the summer of 2020.

We’re putting this city on notice that your mandate will not be another racist social distance practice. Black people are not going to stand by, or you will see another uprising. And that is not a threat. That is a promise,” she said. “The vaccination passport is not a free passport to racism.

Huh...I know it was fun for a lot of people when BLM was angry at cops. I also know a lot of folks on here were giddy at the idea that all these unvaccinated people were white conspiracy loving Republicans and the idea of forcing them out of businesses and jobs was slightly euphoric.

How do you feel about it now? Do you still think any system that disproportionately affects black people in a negative way = systemic racism? Do you think that perhaps BLM is a little too quick to call things racist? Do you think that the vaccine mandate is still a good idea?

Thoughts?

I am curious as to how or why black Americans are more likely to be affected by this ? Or not because in he past African Americans were experimented on?
 
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They didnt list any reasons in the article.

Luckily, there's another article that spoke with the other BLM chapter leader that did.

Black Lives Matter of Greater New York leader blasts vaccine mandates as racist and disrespectful

Basically, they don't trust vaccines or the government, and spiritual reasons.



Medical discrimination? The medical community has been trying hard to get black people vaccinated.

I don't think discrimination can account for nearly 75% of black NY residents not having the vaccine.



Does it matter?

The mandate affects them regardless of whether they think Bill Gates put a microchip in the vaccine, they don't trust doctors, or they remember the Tuskeegee airmen.

It doesn't change the questions I asked you....which you ignored.

What's the problem? Should we not have mandates? Or should black people just get the jab?


I think it must be the Tuskegee experiment . I can't think of any reason why African Americans would be more or less likely to believe in microchips in the vaccines?
 
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I think you have a very sharp eye on all the controversial things BLM do and you are very generous with your time to share those things with us.
Nonresponsive. Why don't you answer the question he poses?
 
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BLM organizer says de Blasio vaccine mandate weaponized against black community

So, I hate saying I told you so...but I did. Several other posters pointed this out as well.

Vaccine mandates will disproportionately affect the black community (and latino communities if I'm not mistaken).

These folks at BLM aren't too happy about it...

"Seventy-two percent of black people in this city from ages 18 to 44 are unvaccinated," Chivona Newsome said during a Monday protest in New York City. "So what is going to stop the Gestapo, I mean the NYPD, from rounding up black people, from snatching them off the train, off the bus?

Newsome warned that her group could respond with an "uprising" similar to the ones that followed the death of George Floyd in the summer of 2020.

We’re putting this city on notice that your mandate will not be another racist social distance practice. Black people are not going to stand by, or you will see another uprising. And that is not a threat. That is a promise,” she said. “The vaccination passport is not a free passport to racism.

Huh...I know it was fun for a lot of people when BLM was angry at cops. I also know a lot of folks on here were giddy at the idea that all these unvaccinated people were white conspiracy loving Republicans and the idea of forcing them out of businesses and jobs was slightly euphoric.

How do you feel about it now? Do you still think any system that disproportionately affects black people in a negative way = systemic racism? Do you think that perhaps BLM is a little too quick to call things racist? Do you think that the vaccine mandate is still a good idea?

Thoughts?
Yep...I said this months ago. If I am too poor or dumb to get a voter ID, how can I possibly get a covid passport or prove my identity to get a vaccine?
 
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I think it must be the Tuskegee experiment . I can't think of any reason why African Americans would be more or less likely to believe in microchips in the vaccines?
I'm not so sure it's mainly about the Tuskegee experiments. Looking at the NYC data the highest rate of vaccinations is among the two age groups over 45, whose rate is in the high 50s and 60s. The 18-44 group drops down to the low and mid-40s. False information about the vaccine causing infertility?
 
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the vaccine have been free, and sites setup all around the country why haven't people been going to get it.
So I am told, black folks are not getting vaccinated for the same reason they cannot get a voter ID.
 
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I'm not so sure it's mainly about the Tuskegee experiments. Looking at the NYC data the highest rate of vaccinations is among the two age groups over 45, whose rate is in the high 50s and 60s. The 18-44 group drops down to the low and mid-40s. False information about the vaccine causing infertility?


But why would African Americans be more likely to be exposed to more false information than other races? am wondering could it be cultural differences? Or mistrust of the government after experiments like Tuskagee
 
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