Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

Der Alte said:

Not sure about others but I have found it very helpful to actually read a post before trying to answer it.

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Good idea. I do that as well.


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Der Alte said:

All ten commandments are repeated in the NT as required by believers except for #4,

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Not true - the Sabbath commandment is quoted from at least 4 times in the NT. The one that is never quoted from in the New Testament is the 3rd "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 -- which of course does not matter since there is no such thing as a doctrine in the Bible telling us "whatever is not repeated should be deleted" - therefor it is "still a sin" for Christians to take God's name in vain - even in the NT.

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Der Alte said:

. I said the 4th commandment is not given in the NT as required by gentile Christians.

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Nothing in my post claims that you said the Sabbath is repeated in the NT.

SabbathBlessings said:

Agreed. We are told ALL FLESH will worship our Lord and Savior on the Sabbath day in the New Heaven and New Earth, not just Jews Isaiah 66:23

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Absolutely. I like the scripture you have provided there in Isaiah 66:23 as it proves that God's 4th commandment is an "everlasting covenant" between God and His people with God's 4th commandment Sabbath being a sign that it is God who sanctifies His people (Exodus 31:16-17).

God bless.

Der Alte said:

No, zero, none command in the NT for non-Jewish Christians to keep seventh day Sabbath which was given exclusively to the children of Israel.

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It's rather evident that His prophet Elisha understood and gave no commandment to Naaman to keep the Sabbath as well, even after Naaman tells him he's going into a devils worship service.

It would seem some modern day theology believes Elisha incompetently handled the situation and now they need to step in and set things straight.

Der Alte said:

No, zero, none command in the NT for non-Jewish Christians to keep seventh day Sabbath which was given exclusively to the children of Israel.

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According to the scriptures in the new covenant there is no such thing as non-Jewish Christians as we are all now one in Christ. Gods' Israel in the new covenant is no longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but all those who are now born of the Spirit to believe and follow what Gods' Word says.

Therefore being a gentile believer is simply a believer and follower of God's Word born of the Spirit into God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12; Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. God did not make a new covenant with Gentiles. However gentile believers are grafted now grafted in to Gods' Israel. So being a gentile believer in the new covenant makes us a part of God's true Israel because we believe and follow what Gods' Word says and have been born again in the Spirit to believe and follow what Gods Word says.

According to the scriptures we obey Gods' Word now because we have been forgiven for our sins and love God and our fellow man which fulfills and establishes Gods' law in all those who believe Gods' Word through faith *Romans 3:31; Romans 13:8-10. Gentile believers in the new covenant therefore believe and obey what Gods' Word says. They do not disobey and not believe what God's Word says. According to John and James these are the children of the devil *1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-10; James 2:17-26

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No more Jewish and Gentile believers in Gods' new covenant ISRAEL. Gentiles are now grafted in through faith in God's Word

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are now God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

(more scripture on who God's Israel is in the new covenant here linked)

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What is the conclusion of the matter?

Ecclesiastes 12:13 [13], Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS (left behind) FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD (not Jew) TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Take Care

LoveGodsWord said:

Absolutely. I like the scripture you have provided there in Isaiah 66:23 as it proves that God's 4th commandment is an "everlasting covenant" between God and His people with God's 4th commandment Sabbath being a sign that it is God who sanctifies His people (Exodus 31:16-17).

God bless.

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Just like God promised! Everything God tells us is true. It’s amazing how many predictions in scripture has come true and more to come in the final events.

Der Alte said:

Isaiah 56 is not a club to force gentile Christians to do anything. .

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Hint: no part of the Bible is "a club to force gentile Christians". Everyone has free will and can choose as they wish.

And yet for those not opposed to scripture in Isaiah 56:6-7 we have this

Isaiah 56:
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD (YHWH),
To attend to His service and to love the name of the LORD (YHWH),
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it, And holds firmly to My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

For those opposed to it's teaching - the mere quote of that scripture is sufficient cause to give rise to an objection.

Norbert L said:

It's rather evident that His prophet Elisha understood and gave no commandment to Naaman to keep the Sabbath as well, even after Naaman tells him he's going into a devils worship service.

It would seem some modern day theology believes Elisha incompetently handled the situation and now they need to step in and set things straight.

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I don’t think thats a good case to make why we should or should not obey God. Not every prophet repeated every commandment, should we ignore all the commandments than if not repeated by that prophet? I notice no one ever makes a case about disregarding other commandments that are not repeated, only the Sabbath commandment that God told us to Remember. Exodus 20:8-11 Should that not be enough?

SabbathBlessings said:

I don’t think thats a good case to make why we should or should not obey God. Not every prophet repeated every commandment, should we ignore all the commandments than if not repeated by that prophet? I notice no one ever makes a case about disregarding other commandments that are not repeated, only the Sabbath commandment that God told us to Remember. Exodus 20:8-11 Should that not be enough?

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The thing is everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new testament scriptures as a requirement for Christian living and the standard of good (righteousness) when obeyed and evil (sin) when disobeyed, so there is no excuse really not to believe and follow what Gods' Word says.

God bless sis

LoveGodsWord said:

According to the scriptures there is not a single scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest.

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Straw Man.
No one here is arguing that. Certainly not me.

No one is arguing that the sabbath cannot be recognized. The question is this: does it any more need to be recognized according to the Mosaic Customs? The answer is found in Acts 15, where we learn that the Mosaic customs were no longer binding (Acts 15:5-6,10,19,23-29).

One is certainly welcome to apply certain Mosaic customs to Saturday if he/she wants, but no one is bound to do so. As I mentioned, we Catholics recognize and Worship on the Sabbath as well, to this day.

The early Christians followed the apostolic tradition of making Sunday a big day of celebration of the Lord's Resurrection.

There is NOT ONE SCRIPTURE that commands we MUST NOT Celebrate the Lord's resurrection on Sunday.

SabbathBlessings said:

The Sabbath will continue to be God's chosen day of worship on the New Earth and New Heaven Isaiah 66:23 and God's will for us is the same in heaven as it is on earth. Hope this helps. God bless

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From one sabbath TO another means seven days per week - otherwise it would just say every sabbath.

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ According to the scriptures there is not a single scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest.

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Your response here...

parousia70 said:

Straw Man. No one here is arguing that. Certainly not me. No one is arguing that the sabbath cannot be recognized. The question is this: does it any more need to be recognized according to the Mosaic Customs? The answer is found in Acts 15, where we learn that the Mosaic customs were no longer binding (Acts 15:5-6,10,19,23-29). One is certainly welcome to apply certain Mosaic customs to Saturday if he/she wants, but no one is bound to do so. As I mentioned, we Catholics recognize and Worship on the Sabbath as well, to this day. The early Christians followed the apostolic tradition of making Sunday a big day of celebration of the Lord's Resurrection. There is NOT ONE SCRIPTURE that commands we MUST NOT Celebrate the Lord's resurrection on Sunday.

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Actually no it is not a strawman argument at all. The point being made in the part post you are quoting from is that Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break Gods' 4th commandment. This was applied to Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments which is in response to the OP and Matthew 15:2-9 where Jesus says that if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. This of course begs the question. If there is no scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest, who are we following God or man?

Take Care.

chad kincham said:

From one sabbath TO another means seven days per week - otherwise it would just say every sabbath.

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Since when? I go to church from one Sabbath to another and that means every Saturday not everyday. Everyday in heaven is not going to be the Sabbath. God sets the structure of the week, Genesis 2:1-3

chad kincham said:

From one sabbath TO another means seven days per week - otherwise it would just say every sabbath.

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There is only one definition of the creation Sabbath and it is found in Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God. It does not say one day in seven. Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. So we should be careful to believe and follow what God's Word says.

Take Care.

The two love commands versus the ten commands:

The argument is frequently made that the two love commands, which have replaced the Decalogue, just restate the ten commands, as if they are equivalent to each.other, especially since some of the ten are restated in the New Testament.


This is not so.


The first obvious difference is there are no days commanded to be kept in the two love commands.


But the most glaring difference between them isn’t readily apparent, but is a huge difference indeed.


So let’s compare them.


If you keep the two love commands you will indeed keep some of the ten commands, but in reality the two love commands far exceed the ten.



The ten commands - as they pertain to our relationship with other people - are negative commands: that only limit BAD behavior, by telling us what harm we CANT do to others - yet they don’t promote ANY positive acts of good will and good behavior towards your neighbor.


And they were kept out of fear of punishment - they had the death penalty by stoning, for breaking them.


And there’s not one drop of love for your neighbor, found in the Decalogue.


Whereas in comparison, the two love commands are positive commands, instead of negative.


If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won’t kill him, steal from him, or lie against him, etc, and therefore in effect keep 6 of ten.


But when you love your neighbor as yourself, you’ll go far beyond a mere six negative commands, that only tell you what harm you CAN’T do to your neighbor.


You won’t gossip about him for just one example - and there’s no command that says thou shalt not gossip about your neighbor.


In fact you won’t do ANY of the things that would do some kind of harm to your neighbor, which far exceeds a mere 6 limitations.


Jesus didn’t say, “love does none of the 6 things to harm your neighbor prohibited by the ten commands, thus love fulfills the law”.


He said instead, that love does NO HARM to your neighbor, so love fulfills the law.


Get the difference?


The two love commands go far beyond the ten commands in how well you treat your fellow man - instead of only limiting any harm you’d do to your neighbor to six, if you love him you won’t do ANY HARM to him in any way, shape or form.


And the two love commands also go far beyond not doing any kind of harm to your neighbor - if you love him as yourself, besides not harming him, you will HELP him in every kind of way.


If you love your neighbor you’ll mow his lawn when he breaks his leg, or feed him when he’s hungry, for just two examples.


If you’re just keeping the Decalogue, you can do all the things harmful to him NOT prohibited by the 6 limitations in it, and ignore any dire needs he has - yet still pat yourself on the back for keeping the Ten commands to a tee.


That’s why the two positive love commands are far superior to the very limited and negative ten commands, and they’re kept out of love, and not fear of being stoned to death under the law.


Thus you really can’t equate the ten commands to the two love commands, nor claim that the two merely restate the ten - when in reality they are far different - as different as night and day.

SabbathBlessings said:

Should that not be enough?

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I could ask you the same question about the judgement Elisha gave. But somehow there's always some Christian telling another Christian that they fully know the start, middle and end of a matter.

We live in a time where in many places Jew and Gentile can worship God. Maybe there's too much liberty and idle hands make some more concerned about preaching to other Christians than the great big world full of unbelievers.

chad kincham said:

The two love commands versus the ten commands:

The argument is frequently made that the two love commands, which have replaced the Decalogue, just restate the ten commands, as if they are equivalent to each.other, especially since some of the ten are restated in the New Testament.


This is not so.


The first obvious difference is there are no days commanded to be kept in the two love commands.


But the most glaring difference between them isn’t readily apparent, but is a huge difference indeed.


So let’s compare them.


If you keep the two love commands you will indeed keep some of the ten commands, but in reality the two love commands far exceed the ten.



The ten commands - as they pertain to our relationship with other people - are negative commands: that only limit BAD behavior, by telling us what harm we CANT do to others - yet they don’t promote ANY positive acts of good will and good behavior towards your neighbor.


And they were kept out of fear of punishment - they had the death penalty by stoning, for breaking them.


And there’s not one drop of love for your neighbor, found in the Decalogue.


Whereas in comparison, the two love commands are positive commands, instead of negative.


If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won’t kill him, steal from him, or lie against him, etc, and therefore in effect keep 6 of ten.


But when you love your neighbor as yourself, you’ll go far beyond a mere six negative commands, that only tell you what harm you CAN’T do to your neighbor.


You won’t gossip about him for just one example - and there’s no command that says thou shalt not gossip about your neighbor.


In fact you won’t do ANY of the things that would do some kind of harm to your neighbor, which far exceeds a mere 6 limitations.


Jesus didn’t say, “love does none of the 6 things to harm your neighbor prohibited by the ten commands, thus love fulfills the law”.


He said instead, that love does NO HARM to your neighbor, so love fulfills the law.


Get the difference?


The two love commands go far beyond the ten commands in how well you treat your fellow man - instead of only limiting any harm you’d do to your neighbor to six, if you love him you won’t do ANY HARM to him in any way, shape or form.


And the two love commands also go far beyond not doing any kind of harm to your neighbor - if you love him as yourself, besides not harming him, you will HELP him in every kind of way.


If you love your neighbor you’ll mow his lawn when he breaks his leg, or feed him when he’s hungry, for just two examples.


If you’re just keeping the Decalogue, you can do all the things harmful to him NOT prohibited by the 6 limitations in it, and ignore any dire needs he has - yet still pat yourself on the back for keeping the Ten commands to a tee.


That’s why the two love commands are far superior to the very limited ten commands, and they’re kept for a very different motive than fear of being stoned to death under the law.


Thus you really can’t equate the ten commands to the two love commands, nor claim that the two merely restate the ten - when in reality they are far different - as different as night and day.

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The greatest commandments that Jesus repeated from the Old Testament do not delete the Ten Commandments. What you are teaching here is not biblical. The Ten Commandments is our moral duty to God and neighbor and how we show love to God by obeying Commandments 1-4 Exodus 20:6, John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3. Commandments 5-10 is how we are morally supposed to treat our neighbor. I do find it amazing the extremes people are willing to try to delete the Ten Commandments that God personally spoke and wrote with His own finger and stored in the Most holy of His Temple. I know someone else who does not love God's commandments and he was thrown out of heaven.

Revelations tells us the God's saints keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus 14:12 so no the Ten Commandments have not been deleted.

chad kincham said:

The two love commands versus the ten commands:

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According to the scriptures there is no two great commandments of love to God and man versus Gods' 10 commandments. Uunder the new covenant and the old covenant love is not separate from Gods' law. Love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law and fulfills Gods' law. This is God's new covenant promise to all those who are born again to believe and follow Gods' Word.

According to the scriptures Jesus came to magnify the law from the inside out (thoughts and feelings; the mind or heart) quoting Matthew 5:17-32 in fulfillment of *Isaiah 42:21. This is to show that unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the kingdom of heaven *Matthew 5:20. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. Evil begins in the heart *Genesis 6:5 which was the reason mankind was destroyed the first time in the flood *Genesis 6:7-13. Breaking God's 10 commandments from the heart Jesus says is what defile a man *Matthew15:18-19. Jesus is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *Matthew 23:27-28. So who can be saved?

Jesus knows us that naturally we do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. This is why we need to be born again in the Spirit by faith to love God and keep his commandments *1 John 3:6-9. Jesus magnified the law to the inside out to show us that we are all sinners *Romans 3:9-10 in need of a Savior but many do not know the meaning of these scriptures *Matthew 9:12-13. This is the new covenant promise of God’s salvation in those who believe his Word and why we need to be born again through faith *1 John 5:3-4 to be free from sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:3-10; John 8:32-36; James 2:10-11; 1 John 2:3-4.

If we are not born again into God’s new covenant promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 24:13.

Righteousness comes from love because love is the fulfilling of God's law and the very expression of what love is *Romans 13:8-10. He that does not love does not know god for God is love * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are born again have a new heart to love and follow God *1 John 4:7. This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12. Those who are born again do not practice sin (breaking God's Commandments) *1 John 3:4-9. This is why John finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 John 5:3 and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN *John 3:3-7 in to walk in the Spirit *Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16 under Gods new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 to love we will not enter God’s Kingdom *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the inside out which is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5.

All those who knowingly break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11; Romans 3:19-20. All those who knowingly continue in unrepentant sin when they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods’ Word and reject it according to the scriptures will not enter into God's kingdom because they reject the gift of God’s dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God’s grace *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments or the 613 in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Love establishes God's law in those who believe and follow God's Word (Romans 8:1-4). Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved it is simply the fruit of love because salvation has already been provided through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9; John 14:15; John 15:10-12; John 14:21; Matthew 22:26-40. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. You cannot separate faith and works according to the scriptures just the same as you cannot separate love and law as obedience is the fruit of faith in God's Word which is how love to God and man is expressed.

This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 13:8-10 and is why Jesus says "If you love me keep my commandments. and on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets.

Take Care.

Norbert L said:

I could ask you the same question about the judgement Elisha gave. But somehow there's always some Christian telling another Christian that they fully know the start, middle and end of a matter.

We live in a time where in many places Jew and Gentile can worship God. Maybe there's too much liberty and idle hands make some more concerned about preaching to other Christians than the great big world full of unbelievers.

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I prefer to just follow scripture.

SabbathBlessings said:

I prefer to just follow scripture.

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It is so much easier if we simply believe and follow what Gods' Word says. The words of Jesus are true here in Matthew 11:28-30.

God bless sis