Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

MMXX said:

From what I've gathered, it didn't really start brewing to a large extent until one denomination that started in the 1860s and then another that started in the 1960s.

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Norbert L said:

Historically I think it involves the general progression of becoming what you hate. Where if you don't worship the way we worship, you will be punished. It took some time where Christianity was the one legally persecuted to death. However when the tables changed, Christianity once persecuted started doing the legal persecution.

That all began to end with the separation of church and State and the abolishment of Sunday laws. It goes both ways. The idea that Messianic Christians are wrong to keep the seventh day sabbath is still out there too. Neither side is correct.

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MMXX said:

It seems according to very few, 99% of Christians for the last 2000 years are going to hell, and only the 1% Saturday sabbath keepers will inherit the kingdom of God.

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SkyWriting said:

You can ignore it.
But it will always be there for readers anyway.

3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works; 5 and in this [place] again, They shall not enter into my rest.

There are no special days for Sabbath any longer. Those days are past.

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ChetSinger said:

According to Ellen White, their prophet, the SDA church teaches that we are indeed going to end up in torment if we don't keep the Jewish sabbath:

Then I was shown a company who were howling in agony. On their garments was written in large characters, “Thou art weighed in the balance, and found wanting.” I asked who this company were. The angel said, “These are they who have once kept the Sabbath and have given it up.” I heard them cry with a loud voice, “We have believed in Thy coming, and taught it with energy.” And while they were speaking, their eyes would fall upon their garments and see the writing, and then they would wail aloud. I saw that they had drunk of the deep waters, and fouled the residue with their feet—trodden the Sabbath underfoot—and that was why they were weighed in the balance and found wanting. - Ellen G. White, Early Writings​

That's some pretty torrid prose, but the SDA denomination considers it inspired. She herself writes she heard it from her "attending angel".

Btw, she wrote that Christians who lived prior to 1844 get a pardon because they lived in ignorance. But not us.

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MMXX said:

Following the Sabbath is fine. I myself refrain from doing any work from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday as a matter of disciplen. But saying Christians are disobeying / rebelling against God by not observing the 7th day sabbath and posting scripture to indicate Christians who don't are not saved is wrong in my opinion.

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SabbathBlessings said:

It’s common though for people to quote Ellen White when they disagree with scripture. Ellen did not write the 4th commandment. God did with His own finger.

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ChetSinger said:

According to Ellen White, their prophet, the SDA church teaches that we are indeed going to end up in torment if we don't keep the Jewish sabbath:

Then I was shown a company who were howling in agony. On their garments was written in large characters, “Thou art weighed in the balance, and found wanting.” I asked who this company were. The angel said, “These are they who have once kept the Sabbath and have given it up.” I heard them cry with a loud voice, “We have believed in Thy coming, and taught it with energy.” And while they were speaking, their eyes would fall upon their garments and see the writing, and then they would wail aloud. I saw that they had drunk of the deep waters, and fouled the residue with their feet—trodden the Sabbath underfoot—and that was why they were weighed in the balance and found wanting. - Ellen G. White, Early Writings​

That's some pretty torrid prose, but the SDA denomination considers it inspired. She herself writes she heard it from her "attending angel".

Btw, she wrote that Christians who lived prior to 1844 get a pardon because they lived in ignorance. But not us.

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MMXX said:

Strange. I thought she taught annihilation and wrote that eternal torment was Catholic heresy.

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ChetSinger said:

Me too. Maybe the howling in agony is temporary.

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Silverback said:

All you are doing is enslavIng yourself to the law, which no one can keep.

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Why would God command a law that no one can keep?

Abaxvahl said:

As St. Ignatius says:

"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day."

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namohcam said:

As St. Paul says:

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

As St. John says:

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

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ChetSinger said:

The angel said, “These are they who have once kept the Sabbath and have given it up.” I heard them cry with a loud voice, “We have believed in Thy coming, and taught it with energy.” And while they were speaking, their eyes would fall upon their garments and see the writing, and then they would wail aloud. I saw that they had drunk of the deep waters, and fouled the residue with their feet—trodden the Sabbath underfoot—and that was why they were weighed in the balance and found wanting. - Ellen G. White, Early Writings

That's some pretty torrid prose, but the SDA denomination considers it inspired. She herself writes she heard it from her "attending angel".

Btw, she wrote that Christians who lived prior to 1844 get a pardon because they lived in ignorance. But not us.

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This does not include those who have never heard and been convicted by the truth concerning the Sabbath. Most of the people who will ultimately be saved will have never kept a single Sabbath because the deception has been so widespread. Being born again doesn't make a person run out and become a Seventh-day Adventist. God is infinitely more reasonable than we are. People should never be hasty to accept new truth. This is the way most error is received.

Abaxvahl said:

Indeed, which is why the Lord gives us the grace to keep His Law, not to mention Psalms 18 and 118 (19 and 119 in the Hebrew) which praise God for it and beg Him for the grace to keep it.

From Psalm 18:

The law of the Lord is unspotted, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, giving wisdom to little ones. The justices of the Lord are right, rejoicing hearts: the commandment of the Lord is lightsome, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is holy, enduring for ever and ever: the judgments of the Lord are true, justified in themselves.

More to be desired than gold and many precious stones: and sweeter than honey and the honeycomb. For thy servant keepeth them, and in keeping them there is a great reward.

Who can understand sins? from my secret ones cleanse me, O Lord: And from those of others spare thy servant. If they shall have no dominion over me, then shall I be without spot: and I shall be cleansed from the greatest sin. And the words of my mouth shall be such as may please: and the meditation of my heart always in thy sight. O Lord, my helper, and my redeemer.

May He gives us the grace!

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LoveGodsWord said:

Agreed. I also do not understand why some try to use the term the Jewish Sabbath. According to the scriptures and the very words of Jesus the Sabbath was made for mankind and there was no Moses, no Israel and no Jews when God made the Sabbath at creation for all mankind *Genesis 2:1-3. There is no such scripture that says "Jewish Sabbath". It is a term used by those who made the man-made teaching of Sunday worship that is not supported in the scriptures.

God bless sis

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ChetSinger said:

According to Ellen White, their prophet, the SDA church teaches that we are indeed going to end up in torment if we don't keep the Jewish sabbath:

Then I was shown a company who were howling in agony. On their garments was written in large characters, “Thou art weighed in the balance, and found wanting.” I asked who this company were. The angel said, “These are they who have once kept the Sabbath and have given it up.” I heard them cry with a loud voice, “We have believed in Thy coming, and taught it with energy.” And while they were speaking, their eyes would fall upon their garments and see the writing, and then they would wail aloud. I saw that they had drunk of the deep waters, and fouled the residue with their feet—trodden the Sabbath underfoot—and that was why they were weighed in the balance and found wanting. - Ellen G. White, Early Writings​

That's some pretty torrid prose, but the SDA denomination considers it inspired. She herself writes she heard it from her "attending angel".

Btw, she wrote that Christians who lived prior to 1844 get a pardon because they lived in ignorance. But not us.

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SabbathBlessings said:

The correct answer is in our Bibles. Only God’s Word matters. Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13. There is nothing in scripture telling us to keep holy the first day or is it a commandment of God. There is however scripture that says this about the seventh day. Jesus tells us to obey God’s commandments over traditions Matthew 15:3-9 so the question is do you follow God or man?

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

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Norbert L said:

As far as I can tell neither the RCC and the SDA or any other Christian group have a pillar of cloud by day and fire by night camped on their earthly properties. Having someone who talks to Jesus as if He was still on Earth disseminating how to interpret the scriptures. Let alone when hearing them, can be seen with visible fiery tongues to as they preach. They are just as much men as you or I.

Let no man come between you and God.

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MMXX said:

Following the Sabbath is fine. I myself refrain from doing any work from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday as a matter of disciplen.

But saying Christians are disobeying / rebelling against God by not observing the 7th day sabbath and posting scripture to indicate Christians who don't are not saved is wrong in my opinion.

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And you would be correct. It is always inappropriate to call into question another's standing with God. We are seed-sowers, not growth-givers.