Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath

Der Alte said:

This is taken from another thread where it would be off topic.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God.
Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 20
God did not leave it up to anyone else to write His holy laws. God personally spoke them and wrote them with His own finger and God's laws are universal, the only commandment people seem to take issue with is the one God told us to REMEMBER which is the one commandment people want to forget because they value tradition over God's spoken and written Word.
The Sabbath commandment is not off topic because Jesus told us to keep the commandments, teaching others the least of the commandments come with some consequences Matthew 5:19 and breaking a commandment is sin even in the New Testament 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7. The Sabbath is meant to be a blessing and not sure why so many people take issue with God's holy day that He wants to spend time with us. Yes you can spend time with Him on other days but is your birthday more special to you on your birthday or a day that is more convenient for your loved one. It's a simple request that God asked not sure why more people don't embrace. God was specific about one tree and not obeying had a consequence for all of us. God is giving us a second chance- we should take it and obey.
We will have to agree to disagree.
God bless

All ten commandments are repeated in the NT as required by believers except for #4,

Exodus 20:8
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Deuteronomy 5:12
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

The 4th commandment was given exclusively to the children of Israel.

Exodus 31:16
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Leviticus 24:8
8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.​

Those who choose to may observe the Sabbath and take hold of the covenant. But there is no command for gentiles to observe the Sabbath.

Isaiah 56:6
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;​

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All of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament.

1. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Matthew 4:10).
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" (1 John 5:21). "Since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising" (Acts 17:29).
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" (1 Timothy 6:1).
4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).
5. "Honor your father and your mother" (Matthew 19:19).
6. "You shall not murder" (Romans 13:9).
7. "You shall not commit adultery" (Matthew 19:18).
8. "You shall not steal" (Romans 13:9).
9. "You shall not bear false witness" (Romans 13:9).
10. "You shall not covet" (Romans 7:7).

Even if they were not repeated God tells us the Sabbath day is the holy day of the Lord thy God. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13. The Sabbath is the day Jesus went to Temple reading God's Word Luke 4:16 as well as the disciples Mark 6:2, Luke 4:31, Acts 13:27, Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44, Acts 15:21, Acts 17:2, Acts 18:4 We are to follow in the footsteps of Jesus as He is our example. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and did not say only Jews. Jesus did not keep the Sabbath so everyone could worship Him on a different day the minute He leaves. There is no scripture supporting Sunday worship, it is a tradition and not a commandment of God and Jesus warns us about obeying traditions over commandments Matthew 15:3-9

The Sabbath will continue to be God's chosen day of worship in the New Earth and New Heaven Isaiah 66:23 and God's will for us is the same in heaven as it is on earth. God does not change and His promises are true. Exodus 31:16 Hope this helps. God bless

Der Alte said:

This is taken from another thread where it would be off topic.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God.
Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 20
God did not leave it up to anyone else to write His holy laws. God personally spoke them and wrote them with His own finger and God's laws are universal, the only commandment people seem to take issue with is the one God told us to REMEMBER which is the one commandment people want to forget because they value tradition over God's spoken and written Word.
The Sabbath commandment is not off topic because Jesus told us to keep the commandments, teaching others the least of the commandments come with some consequences Matthew 5:19 and breaking a commandment is sin even in the New Testament 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7. The Sabbath is meant to be a blessing and not sure why so many people take issue with God's holy day that He wants to spend time with us. Yes you can spend time with Him on other days but is your birthday more special to you on your birthday or a day that is more convenient for your loved one. It's a simple request that God asked not sure why more people don't embrace. God was specific about one tree and not obeying had a consequence for all of us. God is giving us a second chance- we should take it and obey.
We will have to agree to disagree.
God bless

All ten commandments are repeated in the NT as required by believers except for #4,

Exodus 20:8
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Deuteronomy 5:12
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

The 4th commandment was given exclusively to the children of Israel.

Exodus 31:16
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Leviticus 24:8
8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.​

Those who choose to may observe the Sabbath and take hold of the covenant. But there is no command for gentiles to observe the Sabbath.

Isaiah 56:6
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;​

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Yes, but we fulfill the command as Christians not like fleshly Jews. Christ fulfilled the Sabbath by resting in the tomb, the day is still observed in Church and has liturgical significance. The day of setting aside labor and worshipping God is Sunday which is the Lord's Day though, and it's observance fulfills the spiritual true of the Sabbath which is our eternal rest in God achieved in Christ's Resurrection. As St. Ignatius says:

"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day."

Amen.

Abaxvahl said:

Yes, but we fulfill the command as Christians not like fleshly Jews. Christ fulfilled the Sabbath by resting in the tomb, the day is still observed in Church and has liturgical significance. The day of setting aside labor and worshipping God is Sunday which is the Lord's Day though, and it's observance fulfills the spiritual true of the Sabbath which is our eternal rest in God achieved in Christ's Resurrection. As St. Ignatius says:

"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day."

Amen.

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Scripture helps. I see no scripture stating that because Jesus rested even in death nullifies the Sabbath commandment. If Jesus was going to delete one of the commandments that His Father wrote, He would have told someone.

Der Alte said:

This is taken from another thread where it would be off topic.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God.
Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 20
God did not leave it up to anyone else to write His holy laws. God personally spoke them and wrote them with His own finger and God's laws are universal, the only commandment people seem to take issue with is the one God told us to REMEMBER which is the one commandment people want to forget because they value tradition over God's spoken and written Word.
The Sabbath commandment is not off topic because Jesus told us to keep the commandments, teaching others the least of the commandments come with some consequences Matthew 5:19 and breaking a commandment is sin even in the New Testament 1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7. The Sabbath is meant to be a blessing and not sure why so many people take issue with God's holy day that He wants to spend time with us. Yes you can spend time with Him on other days but is your birthday more special to you on your birthday or a day that is more convenient for your loved one. It's a simple request that God asked not sure why more people don't embrace. God was specific about one tree and not obeying had a consequence for all of us. God is giving us a second chance- we should take it and obey.
We will have to agree to disagree.
God bless

All ten commandments are repeated in the NT as required by believers except for #4,

Exodus 20:8
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Deuteronomy 5:12
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

The 4th commandment was given exclusively to the children of Israel.

Exodus 31:16
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Leviticus 24:8
8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.​

Those who choose to may observe the Sabbath and take hold of the covenant. But there is no command for gentiles to observe the Sabbath.

Isaiah 56:6
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;​

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All you are doing is enslavIng yourself to the law, which no one can keep.

SabbathBlessings said:

Scripture helps. I see no scripture stating that because Jesus rested even in death nullifies the Sabbath commandment. If Jesus was going to delete one of the commandments that His Father wrote, He would have told someone.

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Fulfillment is not nullification or deletion. I said that we keep the Sabbath, I keep the Sabbath for sure and obey the commandment, the Sabbath is eternal. I just don't keep it like a fleshly Jew. As St. Theophylact says:

"'Prepare yourselves for the evangelic life, the life that is lived according to the Gospel, and make the commandments of the law straight, that is, make them spiritual.' For the Spirit is straight and right. So then, when you see a Jew who understands the content of the law in a fleshly manner, you may say, 'This man has not made straight the paths,' that is, he does not understand the law spiritually."

They keep it in honor of the first creation and we in honor of the new. It's simple. And as for Christ fulfilling it by resting in the grave during the whole of it see Psalm 15:9-10 (Psalm 16:9-10 in the Hebrew) where Christ Himself speaks of His Sabbath rest in the grave.

Abaxvahl said:

Fulfillment is not nullification or deletion. I said that we keep the Sabbath, I keep the Sabbath for sure and obey the commandment, the Sabbath is eternal. I just don't keep it like a fleshly Jew. As St. Theophylact says:

"'Prepare yourselves for the evangelic life, the life that is lived according to the Gospel, and make the commandments of the law straight, that is, make them spiritual.' For the Spirit is straight and right. So then, when you see a Jew who understands the content of the law in a fleshly manner, you may say, 'This man has not made straight the paths,' that is, he does not understand the law spiritually."

They keep it in honor of the first creation and we in honor of the new. It's simple. And as for Christ fulfilling it by resting in the grave during the whole of it see Psalm 15:9-10 (Psalm 16:9-10 in the Hebrew) where Christ Himself speaks of His Sabbath rest in the grave.

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I’m glad we agree the Sabbath should be kept, I prefer biblical scripture on how it should be kept.

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

We see examples of Jesus following this by readings God’s Word in the Temple on Sabbath as His custom Luke 4:16

Jesus is our example and we are told to follow Him.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the LORD honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words,
God bless

Der Alte said:

This is taken from another thread where it would be off topic. The Sabbath is a commandment of God. Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. Exodus 20

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True, the 10 commandments included of course Gods' 4th commandment which in both the old and new covenants give us the knowledge of what sin is (moral wrong doing) when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and righteousness (moral right doing) when obeyed *Psalms 119:172. The old covenant however was not just the 10 commandments however. The old covenant included both God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken written on two tables of stone with the finger of God (Exodus 34:28; Exodus 31:18; Deuteronomy 9:10; Exodus 32:16) but also included the Mosaic book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 that included all the laws for remission of sins, the Sanctuary laws, the laws of the Levitical Priesthood, the laws of animal sacrifice for sin's atonement and all the civil ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws and other supporting laws and teachings.

Der Alte said:

God did not leave it up to anyone else to write His holy laws.

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According to the scriptures only God wrote the 10 commandments which were written on two tables of stone (Exodus 34:28; Exodus 31:18; Deuteronomy 9:10; Exodus 32:16). While Moses wrote the book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 under God's guidance (Exodus 31:24-26).

Der Alte said:

All ten commandments are repeated in the NT as required by believers except for #4, Exodus 20:8 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Deuteronomy 5:12 12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

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Sorry I respectfully disagree as that claim is not true whatsoever. Firstly there is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath. According to Jesus in Mark 2:27-28 Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind and everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new testament scriptures as shown here....

GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT.

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. – Binding on all Christians today -Hebrews 4:9
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1; (After the death of Jesus) Matthew 24:20; Matthew 28:1; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Hebrews 4:1-5; 9-11; Revelations 1:10 (see Matthew 12:8)

5 Honor your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbors possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Timothy 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

More scripture support here linked..

Der Alte said:

The 4th commandment was given exclusively to the children of Israel. Exodus 31:16 16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant Leviticus 24:8 8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant. Those who choose to may observe the Sabbath and take hold of the covenant. But there is no command for gentiles to observe the Sabbath. Isaiah 56:6 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

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We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant. Gods' true Israel are not longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham, but are now all those who through faith have been born of the Spirit of God into God's new covenant promise (Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 3:28-28; John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9). God's true Israel therefore are now all those who believe and follow Gods' Word. There is no more Jewish and Gentile believers. All are now one in Christ and gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27.

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So in answer to your OP. Yes everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as a requirement and the standard for Christian living. God's 10 commandments which include God's seventh day Sabbath 4th commandment is once of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin according to James in James 2:10-11. There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is simply a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. Jesus says in Matthew 15:2-9 that if we knowingly follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are now worshiping God.

God knows however that many do this out of ignorance and in times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word calls all man everywhere to believe and follow what His Word says *Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Hebrews 10:26-31. According to the scriptures, God's people are in every Church living up to all the knowledge of His Word that he has revealed to them *John 10:16.

The hour is coming and now is says Jesus that the true worshipers will worship the father in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. BABYLON has fallen *Revelation 14:8-12; Revelation 17:1-5. The church's of the world have fallen and God is calling His people wherever they may be back to the pure Word of God *Revelation 18:1-5. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. *Revelation 14:7. God's Sheep Hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear will not follow because they are not His Sheep according to the scriptures *John 10:26-27.

God bless

SabbathBlessings said:

Scripture helps. I see no scripture stating that because Jesus rested even in death nullifies the Sabbath commandment. If Jesus was going to delete one of the commandments that His Father wrote, He would have told someone.

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And yet the Apostles teach plainly that the Mosaic observance of the Jewish Saturday Sabbath was no longer required of people (Col 2:15-17; Acts 15:5-11, 24-29).

The Saturday Sabbath is not erased, but Colossians 2:15-17 explicitly says it was no longer binding once Christ came (as is also true of animal sacrifice, and physical circumcision) :

15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[e]
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

So already in the New Testament era you see the apostles teaching men to shift away from mandatory observances of the Mosaic practices (Gal 5:1-6; Acts 15:5-11, 24-29).

If the Apostles of Jesus Christ teach that I am not to let anyone judge me with regard to a Sabbath day, that it was but a mere shadow, and the REAL Sabbath "is found in Christ", I'm inclined to accept their testimony and act appropriately.

Der Alte said:

First you ignore the OT where the Sabbath was given exclusively to the children of Israel Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything the want it to by quoting selective verses out-of-context as you have done here.

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Actually no. According to Jesus the Sabbath was made for all mankind on the seventh day of the creation week *see Mark 2:27 and Genesis 2:1-3. There was only Adam and Eve created when God made the Sabbath for all mankind. According to the scriptures as already shown, under the new covenant there is no more Jewish and Gentile believers born of the flesh in Gods' true Israel as all believers are now one in Christ. God's true Israel therefore is no longer all those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham, but are now all those who through faith are born of the Spirit to believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. If you are not a part of Gods' Israel in the new covenant you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise which God gave to Israel *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27, who in the new covenant is simply all those who have been born again to believe and follow God's Word. There are no more Jews and Gentiles. All are one in Christ under the new covenant *Ephesians 2:11-13. As posted earlier, God did not make the new covenant with Gentiles. In the new covenant a Jew is no longer those outwardly born of the flesh; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God (Romans 3:28-29).

Der Alte said:

Let us read it in context. Hebrews 4:6-116 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. When read in context the passage is not about the seventh day Sabbath. Undoubtedly the writer was keeping the Sabbath every week but he said "There remains therefore a rest to the people of God." Then he said "Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest." If he keeps the Sabbath every week what "Sabbath," rest in Hebrew, is he laboring to enter?

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Your actually leaving out the context of Hebrews 4 that shows that the Sabbath is defined in Hebrews 4:1-5 as Gods' rest/His rest/My Rest of the "seventh day" made from the foundation of the world and that we who believe enter into this rest. It is not a future rest but one that was made at creation moving onto Hebrews 4:9 which says therefore it remains (left behind) for the people of God to keep the Sabbath (sabbath keeping).

Der Alte said:

Do gentiles have to observe the seventh day Sabbath? Matthew 11:28 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Jesus was most likely speaking Hebrew when He said this and He would have said אתננה שבת /I will give you Shabbat/rest.

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Your mixing up the Gospel rest that we receive from believing and following what Gods' Word says with God's seventh day Sabbath rest that we enter into as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of Heaven and earth.

Der Alte said:

Jesus is our Passover and our Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Holy days, New moons, and Sabbaths are the shadow. Jesus is the reality.

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Jesus is indeed our Passover. The Feast days were shadow laws pointing to things to come in the body of Christ and God's plan of salvation under Gods' new covenant promise (Colossians 2:16-17). However, that is where it ends. God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments is not a shadow of anything. As it points backwards as a memorial of creation and not forward to things to come. The context of Colossians 2:16-17 is to not letting anyone judge you in regards to the meat and drink offerings, the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days that are shadows of things to come but the body is of Christ. Not sure if you realize but there were many different kinds of sabbaths in the old testament scriptures that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week in the annual Feast days. These included; ; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that were all shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Savoir of the world and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11).

According to the scriptures there is not a single scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition of some in the early Church that has led many away from following the Word of God to breaking Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11. According to Jesus if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God after we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it *Hebrews 10:26-31 we are not worshiping God according to Matthew 15:2-9. This of course begs the question if we are following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God who are we believing and following; God or man?

As posted earlier, according to the new covenant scriptures, everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as a requirement for christian living this of course includes God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (scripture support here linked). Therefore the writer of Hebrews says it remains for the people of God to keep the sabbath - Hebrews 4:9.

Take Care

Der Alte said:

This is taken from another thread where it would be off topic.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God.

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Jesus is now the Sabbath.

Matthew 11:28-30

Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Are non-Jewish Christians commanded to keep the 7th Day Sabbath?

So in answer to your OP question. All of God's 10 commandments are the standard for Christian living that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172; 1 John 3:4) and if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. There is no such thing as a "non Jewish" Christian in the new covenant. According to the scriptures; "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." - Romans 2:28-29

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SkyWriting said:

Jesus is now the Sabbath.

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There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says Jesus is a Sabbath. The only definition of the Sabbath defined in the scriptures alone is in Exodus 20:10 which says "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God.." Jesus is not a day or the Sabbath he is the creator and Lord of it according to the scriptures (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Mark 2:27-28; John 1:1-4; 14).

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LoveGodsWord said:

There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says Jesus is a Sabbath.

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Yet the first covenant (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) is obsolete....so...

What Does the Bible Say About Jesus Is Sabbath?

LoveGodsWord said:

There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says Jesus is a Sabbath.

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Scripture DOES say that the Sabbath was but a Shadow, and the REALITY is found in Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Why then, should we favor the SHADOW over and above THE REALITY?

Der Alte said:

This is taken from another thread where it would be off topic.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God.
Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 20
God did not leave it up to anyone else to write His holy laws. God personally spoke them and wrote them with His own finger and God's laws are universal, the only commandment people seem to take issue with is the one God told us to REMEMBER which is the one commandment people want to forget because they value tradition over God's spoken and written Word.

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All obsolete.
Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Colossians 2:16-17

Jesus is now the Sabbath remembrance.

SkyWriting said:

Yet the first covenant (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) is obsolete....so...
What Does the Bible Say About Jesus Is Sabbath?

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Show me a single scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath? There is none. As posted earlier The only definition of the Sabbath defined in the scriptures alone is in Exodus 20:10 which says "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God.." Jesus is not a day or the Sabbath he is the creator and Lord of it according to the scriptures (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Mark 2:27-28; John 1:1-4; 14). The first covenant was not only Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172).

The old covenant however was not just the 10 commandments according to the scriptures. The old covenant included both God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken written on two tables of stone with the finger of God (Exodus 34:28; Exodus 31:18; Deuteronomy 9:10; Exodus 32:16) but also included the Mosaic book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 that included all the laws for remission of sins, the Sanctuary laws, the laws of the Levitical Priesthood, the laws of animal sacrifice for sin's atonement and all the civil ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws and other supporting laws and teachings. It is the laws of remission of sins and the Levitical Priesthood and it's earthly Sanctuary that is obsolete and continued in the new covenant based on better promises (Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22).

God's 10 commandments in the new covenant have the same role they always had and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing), and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25 and be made free to walk in the Spirit of God *Galatians 5:16. Everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as a requirement and standard for Christian living (scripture support here) and are taught by Jesus and the Apostles (scripture support here). The bible does not teach the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law). This is a false teaching that is leading many away from God and His Word.

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parousia70 said:

Scripture DOES say that the Sabbath was but a Shadow, and the REALITY is found in Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Why then, should we favor the SHADOW over and above THE REALITY?

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As posted to someone else earlier, Colossians 2:16 is talking about the meat and drink offering, the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days not God's 4th commandment that is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

The Feast days were shadow laws pointing to things to come in the body of Christ and God's plan of salvation under Gods' new covenant promise (Colossians 2:16-17). However, that is where it ends. God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments is not a shadow of anything. As it points backwards as a memorial of creation and not forward to things to come. The context of Colossians 2:16-17 is to not letting anyone judge you in regards to the meat and drink offerings, the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days that are shadows of things to come but the body is of Christ.

Not sure if you realize but there were many different kinds of sabbaths in the old testament scriptures that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week in the annual Feast days. These included; ; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that were all shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Savoir of the world and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11).

According to the scriptures there is not a single scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition of some in the early Church that has led many away from following the Word of God to breaking Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11. According to Jesus if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God after we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it *Hebrews 10:26-31 we are not worshiping God according to Matthew 15:2-9. This of course begs the question if we are following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God who are we believing and following; God or man?

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Der Alte said:

Holy days, New moons, and Sabbaths are the shadow. Jesus is the reality.

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Yep

Matthew 9:17 Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”


If you don't read the New Testament and go with the Old Testament the passages regarding Circumcision etc. are much stronger than ones regarding the Sabbath as far as a eternal ongoing covenant goes, which is why that was such a big issue in the Acts and the Epistles. The eternal covenant thing of the Sabbath is a rabbinic tradition and interpretation that is assumed by Sabbatarians.