Sin...?

LoveGodsWord · Sep 20, 2021

prophecy_uk said:
Here is for you SabbathBlessings, and LoveGodsword.

Do you remember you pointed out that Jesus and Apostle Paul went to the house of God, and reasoned on the Sabbath days with the Jews......

Luke 4:31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Now, focus, here is not as false interpretation, as you say it is.

God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it, rested from all His work, ( that is Jesus Christ resting who created all)

The law tells us, to remember the Sabbath day, to keep it HOLY.

Six days men ought to work, and men are to not do any work, on the day that the Lord hallowed ( made Holy and sanctified)

The Synagogue ruler, spoke against Christ, how the work that was done was against the commandment, as there are six days, in which men ought to work.

Jesus did answer how even they release animals on the Sabbath, and how Jesus is releasing people under bonds to satan on the Sabbath.

The ruler of the Synagogue did not understand, those are the works of God, that no other man did on earth, ( this is the Son of man/the Son of God) and He brought judgment to the earth, and spoke to them so they now had sin, for unbelief in seeing the works of God before their eyes..

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Luke 13:14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.

John 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

SabbathBlessings and LoveGodsword, I said to focus, as this testimony is precisely for yourselves.

Jesus did the miracles in front of Israel, the ruler of the Synagogue spoke with indignation against thew Son of God. Why? Because he had authority over people, and Jesus was taking his authority away, and all they felt was envy towards Christ, and it is why they delivered Him. The Synagogue ruler was rebuked, who accepts rebuke but the children of God?

So though Jesus had done many miracles among them, they believed not on Him, the arm of the Lord was not revealed, their eyes were blinded by God, and their hearts hardened too, but many believed on Him anyway ( in a way a man can without the Spirit) but because of the Pharisees ( and rulers of the Synagoue) they did not confess Christ, or be put out of the Synagogue.

It is the same for people in man made religions, they confess Christ in truth ( in the Spirit of truth) , and they must leave that worldly church ( because the acknowledging of the truth is after godliness, and the question then is, do you love the praise of men more, or the praise of God...........

John 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness

Mark 15:10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.

The Sabbath is to not do our own pleasure, Jesus did none of His own pleasure on all days, this is to be anointed of the Holy Ghost ( as we are anointed of the Holy Ghost when we believe too)

Jesus spoke whose words every day?

Did Jesus do His ways on six days, and on a seventh day do the Lords pleasure?

No it is testified, He did always the things that please the Father, and spoke the Fathers words. ONLY EVERY DAY, Do you not see that is keeping every day Holy to the Lord....

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Jesus did not just speak Gods word in the Synagogues, and the Temple, Jesus did the works of God in them too. Jesus entered the Temple to show who did these works of God on the Sabbath, Jesus answered the accusers, how the Father works on the Sabbath, and the Son does only as the Father ( as they are ONE)

Do you see what is lacking in your beliefs, it is the power part, the Gospel of the Word, is not in word only, not just teaching in the Synagogue on the Sabbath, but it must be in the POWER OF GOD, in the Holy Ghost....

John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

1 Thessalonians 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus defeated all power of satan, all principalities ( all of the Pharisees and ruler of the Synagogue's oppositions) and those same ones who did judge Jesus over the Sabbath days, that Holy day, cannot any more, as Jesus made all our days Holy, all our words Holy conversation on all days, and all our works the work of God, and God never ended them, but began them in Christ, and we have Christ in us to work, the same works of God...

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Remember just above, how they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God, which was why they defended their human Synagogues/churches, to stay in them, or be put out of them for confessing Christ in truth, as the acknowledging of the truth is after godliness?

Look at the testimony repeated for you. They ( the Pharisee Jews) wanted the Gentiles to be circumcised in the flesh, as they did not want a life of persecution of Christ ( when in the Spirit of Christs circumcision) They wanted their law kept, to glory in mans flesh.

Romans 2, teaches us, circumcision is in the heart, in the Spirit, and NOT IN THE LETTER, as the letter gives praise of men, but whose praise do we seek, is it of God...

Galatiansx 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

This testimony is all linked, it is a complete testimony.

How did Abraham receive the promise of eternal life, ( and His faith counted as righteousness) when Abraham was circumcised, or uncircumcised?

The promise that Abraham should be heir to the world, was not through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

I am saying this now, because that was when the covenant of the Sabbath was given, it was given in faith, when nobody could have faith, to Adam and Eve, and then to the ones of the law, they were given it, as unto the lawless ( they had no faith in it)

Now, the Sabbath is of faith, Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, and Jesus showed the way to be in faith, in the Sabbath, and on every other day too..

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Romans 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

According to the scriptures sin is defined in the new covenant scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says *James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23. According to the scriptures sin is also still sin in the new covenant and defined as breaking God's law and those who knowingly practice sin (breaking God's law) and those who do not according to John is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to 1 John 3:4-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. As posted earlier, obedience to God's words are not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. Gods' Word does not teach the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law). This is a man-made teaching and tradition designed to lead many away from God and His Word.

Take Care

LoveGodsWord · Sep 20, 2021

prophecy_uk said:
First to SabbathBlessings, I took the list of Ten commandments off a google search, they still are the 10, they were just paraphrased.

LoveGodsword: "According to the scriptures no one can claim to know Christ and hold belief in Christ if they deny His Word and break Gods' commandments, because sin, defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following Gods' Word *James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23"

10 commandments are not taught, that is the law.

Why do you speak of James, and the commandments written there for reminder, and yet cant show any word at all on Sabbath in the entire new Testament with regards to the law, and Sabbath included, for us to keep it ?

What you cannot answer, is pointed out, and if you cant show it, written at all, that it needed to be upheld, according to the new covenant, AND in the new testament, what do you think you can base SDA on, but a mans words and opinion?

Here is James again:

James 2, is the royal law ( to the law of Christ to bear one another's BURDENS)

To love our neighbour as ourselves, and love is not done by adultery, or killing, it is done by laying our lives down for the brothers, and not taking off of them what thy love the most ( their wife)

That separates law keeping, and faith in righteousness, as Sabbath keeping is not an act of love to bear your neighbours burdens, which is the faith of Christ, even as He did every day until the death, which example we follow..

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

According to the scriptures love is not separate from Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law. Doing God's law through faith that works by love results in obedience to Gods' law not breaking Gods' law. This is why Jesus says on these two great commandments of love to God and our fellow man hang all the law and the prophets in Matthew 22:36-40.

Paul in Romans 13:8-10 agrees with Jesus when he says that Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. For this Paul says we will not break those commandments in God's 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man. Paul goes on to say in Romans 13:9 that loving our neighbor as our self is simply a way of summing up obedience to those commandments of the 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man and that obedience to God's law from the heart fulfills and does what God's law say.

James also is in agreement with Jesus and Paul when he says in James 2:8-12 that love is expressed in obedience to those laws in God's 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our fellow man when quoting thou shalt not murder or commit adultery showing that if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand convicted by the law as transgressors. So love is not separate from God's law it is expressed in obedience to God's law and obeys what Gods' law says by faith that works by love in those who have been born again into Gods new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27.

John is also in agreement with Jesus, Paul and James when he says in 1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. No one can claim to love God of their fellow man therefore if they are knowingly breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments. Willful disobedience to Gods' law therefore only shows us that we are not the children of God but the children of the devil according to 1 John 3:6-10 and need to be born again into Gods' new covenant promise to have Gods' law written in the heart by faith that works by love which is God's new covenant promise written in all those who believe and follow God's Word *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27.

Love therefore is not expressed in disobedience to Gods' law but through obedience to God's law and faith according to Paul does not abolish Gods' law it establishes God's law *Romans 3:31. To say that there is no law and we are free to disobey Gods' law is a false teaching of lawlessness (without law) and is not biblical according to the scriptures (1 John 2:3-4).

Take Care

Strong in Him · Sep 21, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
We are in the New Covenant now. In the Old Covenant the wages of sin is death.

That is still the case, Romans 6:23.
If it were not, Paul would not have written the above verse and those who died in their sins would face no consequences.

SabbathBlessings said:
The New Covenant Jesus took away that penalty as Jesus is our sacrifice.

Only those who believe and accept Jesus have their sins taken away.
For anyone who rejects Jesus, the wages of sin is death - eternal separation from God, John 3:16, John 3:36, 1 John 5:12.

SabbathBlessings said:
The Old Covenant the sacrificial laws in the Levitical Priesthood which include burnt offerings, feasts days etc. all point to shadow laws which is fulfilled in Christ as He was our perfect Lamb. We now have a new High Priest which is Jesus. Hebrews 10.

Exactly - one who has fulfilled the law.

SabbathBlessings said:
The heath laws which are foods God deemed clean and unclean are not part of the sacrificial system.

No, they're part of the law; God's law, which people keep insisting that we need to keep.

SabbathBlessings said:
How to keep the Sabbath? I love this question and many have a misconception that we just need to rest. If you look at the commandment the first sentence is Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8 We rest from our work so we can keep the Sabbath holy.

HOW?
I've already said that I don't do any work, except occasional charity work.

SabbathBlessings said:
Holy convocation is a holy assembly. A meeting place where we focus on the Word of God. You see examples of this in scripture where Jesus goes to the Temples on the Sabbath reading God's Word

Of course he did; he was a Jew.

SabbathBlessings said:
as well as the disciples preaching God Word on the Sabbath. Acts 18:4, Luke 4:31, Luke 13:10, Acts 13:42

Of course they preached on the Sabbath - the synagogue was the one place they would find lots of people.
What did they preach? Jesus. Who, in the eyes of the Jews, was a false Messiah.

SabbathBlessings said:
We are blessed if we keep God's Sabbath

I am, and have been, blessed by God in many ways - and never punished for worshipping on a Sunday instead of a Saturday.

SabbathBlessings said:
Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

This was written to Jews who called themselves God's people but had many ties broken his law and covenant. They had even been sent to Babylon, where they remained in exile for 70 years and learnt that their temple and holy city had been destroyed.
God is saying that if they would keep his laws, and didn't think of themselves but honoured him, he would reward them.
Note: "feed you with the heritage of Jacob, your father". Unless we are Jewish, Jacob is not our father.

So this has been taken out of context to try to prove a point.

SabbathBlessings said:
We are told the Sabbath is a day of solemn rest.

Like I said, I rest most days.

SabbathBlessings said:
I look at it as a day of holy communion with our Creator and Savior.

We are, and should be, in communion - fellowship - with God every day.

SabbathBlessings said:
This is the one day I can unplug from everything, phone, TV, work and focus completely on our Savior.

You can do that any time; you aren't restricted to one day a week.
I would imagine that monks and nuns live like that most of the time.

SabbathBlessings said:
I spend this time going to church, reading scripture, bible study, prayer, fellowship with other Christians speaking God's Word and time in nature marveling at all the wonderful things our Savior created for us.

Like I said, why do this on only one day a week?
I praise God for his creation every day, read his word every day; sometimes listen to whole books at a time if I have a long bus/train journey, and speak and fellowship with other Christians - even if that is in the middle of a supermarket.

SabbathBlessings said:
This is a day about time. God's time. To Remember.

And we can't do that every day?

SabbathBlessings said:
1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

It seems that by "commandments" you mean the 10 commandments plus certain food laws, but you have a good reason why you do not need to keep all the hygiene laws, for example.
So you keep some of God's commands, but not all of them.

SabbathBlessings said:
Matthew 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Another verse taken out of context to try to prove a point.

Remember, according to James, and you, if we break one of God's commands we break all of them.
So if you fail to wear clothes that are made from only one fibre, fail to stone to death someone who has committed adultery/not kept the Sabbath, clip the ends of your beard etc, you have broken the law and are the same as those who don't keep the Sabbath on the 7th day of the week.

SabbathBlessings · Sep 21, 2021

Strong in Him said:
That is still the case, Romans 6:23.
If it were not, Paul would not have written the above verse and those who died in their sins would face no consequences.

I never said anything about there is no penalty for sinning. Jesus died for our sins so we can be forgiven when we repent, but that does not give us a license to sin freely.

Strong in Him said:
Only those who believe and accept Jesus have their sins taken away.
For anyone who rejects Jesus, the wages of sin is death - eternal separation from God, John 3:16, John 3:36, 1 John 5:12.

True and you must repent for your sins. 1 John 1:19, 2 Chronicles 7:14. True repentance means you are truly sorry and turn from sin and obey God's commandments. Sin is the transgression of God's laws 1 John 3:4 Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit to help us obey God's commandments for those who truly want to obey. John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32

Strong in Him said:
Exactly - one who has fulfilled the law.

As we both noted above Jesus fulfilling the law does not mean we are free to sin. Jesus was our example to follow keeping all of the commandments John 15:10

Strong in Him said:
No, they're part of the law; God's law, which people keep insisting that we need to keep.

The health laws are part of God's laws never said they weren't. I personally would not want to eat anything God deemed unclean or an abomination

Strong in Him said:
HOW?
I've already said that I don't do any work, except occasional charity work.

While there is nothing wrong with doing good on God's holy Sabbath, the main point of the Sabbath is time with God. I am sorry you don't see it this way and I alrady provided scripture

Strong in Him said:
Of course he did; he was a Jew.

There is only one Gospel and one Truth. God Sabbath was from Creation before Jew or Gentile and it will be the day we worship our Lord and Savior on the New Earth- ALL FLESH not just Jews. Isaiah 66:23. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 so that means everyone. If you are part of God's Israel and the promises we are one in Christ. Gal 3:28

Strong in Him said:
Of course they preached on the Sabbath - the synagogue was the one place they would find lots of people.
What did they preach? Jesus. Who, in the eyes of the Jews, was a false Messiah.

They preached God's Word on the Sabbath because that is God's holy day, not the holy day just for Jews as you will not find any scripture that says this. It's God's holy day Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 and the day He also commanded for us to keep holy Exodus 20:8

Strong in Him said:
I am, and have been, blessed by God in many ways - and never punished for worshipping on a Sunday instead of a Saturday.

Jesus has not come yet to give to everyone according to their work. Revelations 22:12 We are only judged according to our knowledge and Jesus is our righteous judge. Once given that knowledge and truth and if one choses to ignore it there's some warnings in scripture I would be concerned about. We should worship in Spirit and Truth and the Truth is God only blessed one day in the entire bible. God only sanctified one day in the entire bible. God only commanded us to keep holy one day in the entire bible. God deemed only one day holy to Him in the entire bible. That day is the seventh day Sabbath. The day that we will worship our Lord and Savior on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 as promised by God Exodus 31:16 who changes not. God's will in heaven for us is not different than His will for us on earth.

Strong in Him said:
This was written to Jews who called themselves God's people but had many ties broken his law and covenant. They had even been sent to Babylon, where they remained in exile for 70 years and learnt that their temple and holy city had been destroyed.
God is saying that if they would keep his laws, and didn't think of themselves but honoured him, he would reward them.
Note: "feed you with the heritage of Jacob, your father". Unless we are Jewish, Jacob is not our father.

So this has been taken out of context to try to prove a point.

Not at all. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28 This can't get any clearer so it's not wise to disregard the majority of the scriptures because you don't think it applies to you. We do not want to write ourselves out of God's Israel, which is synonymous for God's people.

Strong in Him said:
We are, and should be, in communion - fellowship - with God every day.

Agreed but that does not take away the 4th commandment. Exodus 20:8-11.

Strong in Him said:
You can do that any time; you aren't restricted to one day a week.
I would imagine that monks and nuns live like that most of the time.

Which does not take away the 4th commandment Exodus 20:8-11

Strong in Him said:
Like I said, why do this on only one day a week?
I praise God for his creation every day, read his word every day; sometimes listen to whole books at a time if I have a long bus/train journey, and speak and fellowship with other Christians - even if that is in the middle of a supermarket.
And we can't do that every day?

Which does not take away the 4th commandment

Strong in Him said:
It seems that by "commandments" you mean the 10 commandments plus certain food laws, but you have a good reason why you do not need to keep all the hygiene laws, for example.
So you keep some of God's commands, but not all of them.

There are the Ten Commandments that God personally wrote and stored in the Most Holy of God Temple and there are laws. We follow scripture that tells us which laws we need to keep and which laws are shadow laws like the sacrificial laws that ended with Jesus as our sacrifice.

Strong in Him said:
Remember, according to James, and you, if we break one of God's commands we break all of them.
So if you fail to wear clothes that are made from only one fibre, fail to stone to death someone who has committed adultery/not kept the Sabbath, clip the ends of your beard etc, you have broken the law and are the same as those who don't keep the Sabbath on the 7th day of the week.

James was quoting directly from the Ten Commandments so yes, you break one of these you break them all. We are in the New Covenant now and God's laws are now written in the heart. You are confusing the Old Covenant with the New with your examples. Many of the traditions from the law of Moses was so they would remember the Sabbath and commandments. The law in the New Covenant is written in our hearts so we obey not because it is a commandment, we obey because that is how we show love to God according to scripture. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3, Exodus 20:6

prophecy_uk · Sep 21, 2021

Love: "According to the scriptures sin is defined in the new covenant scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says *James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23.

Love: "For this Paul says we will not break those commandments in God's 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man"

"James also is in agreement with Jesus and Paul when he says in James 2:8-12 that love is expressed in obedience to those laws in God's 10 commandments "

If you look again at the words, sabbath is not included, nor is in told to be done in any part of the New testament, it is not the new covenant.

You keep adding the words TEN commandments, you do realize you are adding to Gods word by doing that, it is not told in the new testament that way at all.

But, what is told, you should know it is..

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Also, along with no part of the new testament showing sabbath keeping as part of the commandments, all other commandments are remembered, for what people fail to keep, but sabbath is not included, only you include it, and you are sinning by adding to Gods word..

Here are two examples, of people, with a form of Godliness, in this ending time, and what wrongs they do, notice, as I said, the evidence proves, Sabbath breaking is not listed as one of the offences, so why do you insist it is LoveGodsword?

Fornication/covet neighbours wife is, not commit adultery is, coveteousness/covet neighbours goods is, to not honour father and mother is, to not kill/murder is, to take the Lords name in vain/haters of God is, covenant breakers/having other Gods before the Lord is, bearing false witness against neighbour is/ inventers of evil things.

Are can be found in the first example of Romans 1, but where is anything about Sabbath breaking?

Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Repeated in 2 Timothy, coveting, disobedient to parents, covenant breakers, false/bearing false witness, lovers of other than God/having other Gods before the Lord ( idols) but it is entirely the same always, Sabbath breaking is never witnessed as an offence done by people in the end of the world..

2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

prophecy_uk · Sep 21, 2021

This is the only teaching on sabbath in the entire new testament to us, for the new covenant, and the fact you accuse Christ of sinning if He broke the sabbath, means you judge not only Christians to sin for not keeping the sabbath, but you have judges Christ too, to keep your empty divisions of churches...

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

SabbathBlessings · Sep 21, 2021

prophecy_uk said:
This is the only teaching on sabbath in the entire new testament to us, for the new covenant, and the fact you accuse Christ of sinning if He broke the sabbath, means you judge not only Christians to sin for not keeping the sabbath, but you have judges Christ too, to keep your empty divisions of churches...

This is pure nonsense. Christ kept all of His Father’s commandments which include the Sabbath commandment and told us to as well. John 15:10. Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath which He never did which means He was keeping God’s Sabbath day as our example Luke 4:16. We do not need to worry about “what if Christ broke the Sabbath” because it never happened.

prophecy_uk said:
Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

This scripture talks about judging, not deleting the 4th commandment and the sabbath here is not referring to the 4th commandment and weekly Sabbath that is the holy day of the Lord thy God. Isaiah 58:13, Exodus 20:10, Genesis 2:1-3. If read in context this is about food and drink which has nothing to do with the 4th commandment but has everything to do with the annual sabbaths feast days in the law of Moses contained in ordinances.

The Sabbath is not a shadow law as it points to the memorial of Creation Genesis 2:1-3 and is part of an eternal covenant of Ten that God personally wrote with His own finger and stored in the Most Holy of God’s Temple now written in our hearts and mind in the New Covenant.

You seem really opposed to God’s Sabbath and holy day. If you do not want to worship God on His holy Sabbath day now, what makes you think you will want to on the New Earth and Heaven? Because God’s holy day will never change from the beginning Genesis 2:1-3 to forever Isaiah 66:23

prophecy_uk · Sep 21, 2021

LoveGodsword, if you were teaching about doing right and not doing wrong in Gods word, people would think, that is good, honourable to teach the right things of the Lord.

But, when they become aware you have only your own religion in mind, to use Gods word to achieve your own objective, and all you speak about is the law, but all the time underneath, it is sabbath law you are promoting, you lose all credibility.

Judaism promotes the law, and Sabbath, they do not promote the day the Lord made, as they have no belief in it, nor does anyone who speaks the same law, and does never speak about Jesus Christs day, of salvation..

Psalm 118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
23 This is the Lord's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
24 This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

It is OK that LoveGodsword teaches law keeping, because this was taught against 2000 years ago, so no wonder a religion developed from it, in these most corrupted times at the end.

To Abraham and anyone in the same faith as Abraham, we are taught if they work ( keep law) they are in debt and not of grace.

But to believe in God justifying the ungodly, the faith is counted as righteousness..

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned OF GRACE, BUT OF DEBT
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Apostle Paul testified again, they are the DEBTORS to do the whole law, and Christ is become of no effect to them, whosoever of you are justified by law, you ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE..

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Apostle Paul then beseeched us, to not receive the grace of God in vain, as now is the day of salvation ( the day the Lord made and greater than the law keeping sabbaths of no faith) by giving no offence in anything to not blame the ministry, but in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, afflictions, necessities, in distresses...

2 Corinthians 61 :We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye RECEIVE NOT THE GRACE OF GOD IN VAIN.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

Apostle Paul teaches us that the end of the commandment i charity, out of a pure heart, and a good conscience, of faith unfeigned ( law keeping is with no faith but debt)

Some swerved aside to vain jangling, desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding nothing of what they say neither of what they affirm..

1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Who are they then, those teachers of debt and law, who judge others ( to do the same law keeping as they do ?)

One man esteems one day above another, another esteemeth every day alike, let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind....

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Apostle Paul finishes off their judgement against us, by saying let no man therefore judge you, in meat, or drink, or respect of an holy day, or of the new moon or of the sabbath days, all are a shadow of things to come ( holiness in Christ came the day of salvation the Lord made and we shall be glad in it) as Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever..

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

prophecy_uk · Sep 21, 2021

If you can show why you teach law against why you are told not to, do so, if not SabbathBlessings and LoveGodsword, you just lost your ability to say that Jesus kept Sabbath, as we are fully persuaded on our own mind, to esteem one day above another, or to esteem every day alike.

prophecy_uk · Sep 21, 2021

Oh and I can now say in return for you both, have a nice day.

( rejoice and be glad in it, this is the day the Lord made, the day of salvation)

SabbathBlessings · Sep 21, 2021

prophecy_uk said:
If you can show why you teach law against why you are told not to, do so, if not SabbathBlessings and LoveGodsword, you just lost your ability to say that Jesus kept Sabbath, as we are fully persuaded on our own mind, to esteem one day above another, or to esteem every day alike.

I don’t think we should be accusing Jesus of not being truthful. Jesus said He kept His Fathers commandments which of course includes the Sabbath and holy day of the Lord thy God. John 15:10. I find it odd you tried to accuse me of saying Jesus broke the Sabbath, when it's not I who is doing that.

Paul is not referring to the weekly Sabbath here again referring to food which is not in the Sabbath commandment. They are discussing the feast days. Paul tells us what matters and that is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 so no Paul is not saying you can break God's Sabbath commandment.

What do you have against the holy day of the Lord thy God?

LoveGodsWord · Sep 21, 2021

prophecy_uk said:
Love: "According to the scriptures sin is defined in the new covenant scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says *James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23.

Love: "For this Paul says we will not break those commandments in God's 10 commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man"

"James also is in agreement with Jesus and Paul when he says in James 2:8-12 that love is expressed in obedience to those laws in God's 10 commandments "

If you look again at the words, sabbath is not included, nor is in told to be done in any part of the New testament, it is not the new covenant.

You keep adding the words TEN commandments, you do realize you are adding to Gods word by doing that, it is not told in the new testament that way at all.

But, what is told, you should know it is..

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Also, along with no part of the new testament showing sabbath keeping as part of the commandments, all other commandments are remembered, for what people fail to keep, but sabbath is not included, only you include it, and you are sinning by adding to Gods word..

Here are two examples, of people, with a form of Godliness, in this ending time, and what wrongs they do, notice, as I said, the evidence proves, Sabbath breaking is not listed as one of the offences, so why do you insist it is LoveGodsword?

Fornication/covet neighbours wife is, not commit adultery is, coveteousness/covet neighbours goods is, to not honour father and mother is, to not kill/murder is, to take the Lords name in vain/haters of God is, covenant breakers/having other Gods before the Lord is, bearing false witness against neighbour is/ inventers of evil things.

Are can be found in the first example of Romans 1, but where is anything about Sabbath breaking?

Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Repeated in 2 Timothy, coveting, disobedient to parents, covenant breakers, false/bearing false witness, lovers of other than God/having other Gods before the Lord ( idols) but it is entirely the same always, Sabbath breaking is never witnessed as an offence done by people in the end of the world..

2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

This is already addressed with a detailed scripture response in post # 282 linked. What is it in the scriptures provided there that you disagree with?

LoveGodsWord · Sep 21, 2021

prophecy_uk said:
This is the only teaching on sabbath in the entire new testament to us, for the new covenant, and the fact you accuse Christ of sinning if He broke the sabbath, means you judge not only Christians to sin for not keeping the sabbath, but you have judges Christ too, to keep your empty divisions of churches...

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Sorry but your teachings are not biblical. According to the scriptures no one can claim to know Christ and hold belief in Christ if they deny His Word and break Gods' commandments, because sin, defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following Gods' Word *James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23 and not breaking Gods' commandments is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to John in 1 John 3:4-10. Therefore we do not fulfill God's law by breaking God's law, this is a false teaching and not biblical. According to John those who claim to know God while breaking Gods' commandments are lying and the truth is not in them according to 1 John 2:3-4.

You have only been provided Gods' Word which are not my words but Gods' that you seem to deny with your words that are not God's. What is it that you disagree with in the scriptures that were posted and shared with you in post # 251 linked? As posted to someone else, according to the scriptures in the new covenant, God's 10 commandments have the same role they always had and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral right doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and if we break anyone of them according to James we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11. According to the new covenant scriptures, everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as a requirement for christian living (scripture support here linked).

According to the new covenant scriptures Gentile believers are all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says so they are not exempt from needing to believe and follow what Gods' Word says. They are believers because they believe and follow what Gods' Word says (faith) and have been grafted in to Gods' true ISRAEL who are defined in the new covenant scriptures as all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. If we are not apart of Gods' ISRAEL in the new covenant we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. Gentile believers are now grafted in because they believe and follow what Gods' Word says *Romans 11:13-27 and we are now all one in Christ *Ephesians 2:11-14; Galatians 3:28 (more scripture support here linked). Your posts are promoting a false doctrine of lawlessness (without law) which is not biblical or supported in the scriptures.

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Let's talk about Colossians 2:11-17. The context of Colossians 2:16-17 is to not letting anyone judge you in regards to the meat and drink offerings, the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days that are shadows of things to come but the body is of Christ. The scriptures are not talking about the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment that is outside of the Feast days as a memorial of creation. Not sure if you realize but there were many different kinds of sabbaths in the old testament scriptures that were not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week in the annual Feast days. These included; ; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that were all shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Savoir of the world and not God's 4th commandment that points backwards to the finished work of creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11).

According to the scriptures there is not a single scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition of some in the early Church that has led many away from following the Word of God to breaking Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11. According to Jesus if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God after we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it *Hebrews 10:26-31 we are not worshiping God according to Matthew 15:2-9. This of course begs the question if we are following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God who are we believing and following; God or man?

As posted earlier, according to the new covenant scriptures, everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as a requirement for christian living this of course includes God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (scripture support here linked). Therefore the writer of Hebrews says it remains for the people of God to keep the sabbath - Hebrews 4:9. God's Word does not teach the false doctrine of lawlessness (without law). This teaching is unbiblical dear friend.

Take Care.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 21, 2021

prophecy_uk said:
LoveGodsword, if you were teaching about doing right and not doing wrong in Gods word, people would think, that is good, honourable to teach the right things of the Lord. But, when they become aware you have only your own religion in mind, to use Gods word to achieve your own objective, and all you speak about is the law, but all the time underneath, it is sabbath law you are promoting, you lose all credibility.

You have only been provided Gods' Word dear friend and Gods' Word is not my words but God's that you disagree with your words that are yours and not God's so your argument here is not with me as it is the Spirit of God the bears witness to my words that they are true as they are God's Word. Therefore if I share God's Word with you what is it in the scriptures shared with you that you disagree with?

prophecy_uk said:
Judaism promotes the law, and Sabbath, they do not promote the day the Lord made, as they have no belief in it, nor does anyone who speaks the same law, and does never speak about Jesus Christs day, of salvation.

Not relevant we are not discussing Judaism we are discussing the scriptures that are God's Word and Christianity. What is it here that you disagree with? There is no such thing as "the Lords day" being Sunday. That claims is not supported anywhere in the bible. This is another man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from Gods and His Word just the same as there is no scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. A teaching that is not supported anywhere in the bible.

prophecy_uk said:
Psalm 118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
23 This is the Lord's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
24 This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

And so these scriptures are fulfilled in your ears today. That stone is the living Word of God who those reject in order to follow man-made teachings and traditions says Jesus who break the commandments of God in Matthew 15:2-9.

prophecy_uk said:
It is OK that LoveGodsword teaches law keeping, because this was taught against 2000 years ago, so no wonder a religion developed from it, in these most corrupted times at the end.
To Abraham and anyone in the same faith as Abraham, we are taught if they work ( keep law) they are in debt and not of grace. But to believe in God justifying the ungodly, the faith is counted as righteousness..
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned OF GRACE, BUT OF DEBT
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Apostle Paul testified again, they are the DEBTORS to do the whole law, and Christ is become of no effect to them, whosoever of you are justified by law, you ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE..

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Apostle Paul then beseeched us, to not receive the grace of God in vain, as now is the day of salvation ( the day the Lord made and greater than the law keeping sabbaths of no faith) by giving no offence in anything to not blame the ministry, but in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, afflictions, necessities, in distresses...
2 Corinthians 61 :We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye RECEIVE NOT THE GRACE OF GOD IN VAIN.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

Apostle Paul teaches us that the end of the commandment i charity, out of a pure heart, and a good conscience, of faith unfeigned ( law keeping is with no faith but debt)

Some swerved aside to vain jangling, desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding nothing of what they say neither of what they affirm..
1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
Who are they then, those teachers of debt and law, who judge others ( to do the same law keeping as they do ?)

Well that is not what I believe at all. Here let me tell you what I believe so you have no misunderstandings. According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. As posted earlier, obedience to God's words are not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. At the second coming Christs reward is with him *Revelation 22:12. Now what is it here that you do not believe?

prophecy_uk said:
One man esteems one day above another, another esteemeth every day alike, let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind....Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

According to the scriptures there is no mention of God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath anywhere in Romans 14. Your trying to read into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach. According to the scriptures Romans 14 is talking about

eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems over other days. According to the scriptures the things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes. Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

Hope this is helpful dear friend

LoveGodsWord · Sep 21, 2021

prophecy_uk said:
If you can show why you teach law against why you are told not to, do so, if not SabbathBlessings and LoveGodsword, you just lost your ability to say that Jesus kept Sabbath, as we are fully persuaded on our own mind, to esteem one day above another, or to esteem every day alike.

Once again dear friend, only God's Word has been shared with you. In response all your providing here are your words that are not God's Word. So your argument is not with me or @SabbathBlessings.

Take Care

LoveGodsWord · Sep 21, 2021

prophecy_uk said:
Oh and I can now say in return for you both, have a nice day. ( rejoice and be glad in it, this is the day the Lord made, the day of salvation)

Indeed. Have a nice day :wave:

Strong in Him · Sep 21, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
I never said anything about there is no penalty for sinning. Jesus died for our sins so we can be forgiven when we repent, but that does not give us a license to sin freely.

No, it doesn't. But I was talking about unbelievers.
The wages of sin is still death - spiritual separation from God. Those who don't accept Jesus are separated from God by their sin and have no way of reconciling themselves to him. Without repenting and accepting Jesus, they will remain in that sin.

SabbathBlessings said:
As we both noted above Jesus fulfilling the law does not mean we are free to sin. Jesus was our example to follow keeping all of the commandments John 15:10

I never said that it did; but keeping the Sabbath on the "wrong" day, is not a sin.
Or are you saying that I could have a day of rest, worship, Bible reading, fellowship and awesome time with God on a Sunday but because it's not the "correct" day to rest and worship him, he will send me to hell?
That is not true at all.

SabbathBlessings said:
The health laws are part of God's laws never said they weren't.

So as they are God's laws, you keep them - ALL of them?

SabbathBlessings said:
While there is nothing wrong with doing good on God's holy Sabbath, the main point of the Sabbath is time with God. I am sorry you don't see it this way and I alrady provided scripture

I never said I didn't; I'm saying we can spend time with God every day - and in fact should. And if we choose to spend special time with him on a Sunday, or Thursday; that is not wrong.
Please don't imply that I am not in favour of spending time with God.

SabbathBlessings said:
There is only one Gospel and one Truth.

Of course there is.
And Sabbath observance is not part of that Gospel.

SabbathBlessings said:
They preached God's Word on the Sabbath because that is God's holy day, not the holy day just for Jews as you will not find any scripture that says this. It's God's holy day Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 and the day He also commanded for us to keep holy Exodus 20:8

Yet I believe that ALL days are holy days.
ALL have been created by God. We are to be filled with his Holy Spirit every day, not just on one. We are to spend time with God every day and not just on one.
I do go to church, meet with God, study his word, have fellowship and communion with others and with him - on a Sunday; the day on which our Saviour rose and made all things new. I'm sorry that you seem to think that this is not good enough.

SabbathBlessings said:
Not at all. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27

Exactly - it was made for our benefit to give us one day free from work on which to rest - and, ideally, on which to worship God.

I have no problem with that; I do have a problem with those who insist it has to be on a certain day and that God is somehow offended if it isn't.
When I was a care assistant and later student nurse, I had to work on a Sunday. My days off were in the week, so my Sabbath might have been on a Thursday or a Tuesday. That is still keeping a Sabbath - time away from work to rest, worship and remember God; all the things you have said that we should do.
Nobody, not even God himself, told me that I was wrong to do that or that my worship was inadequate or inappropriate.

If you had a child and you said to them, "you must write to aunty Maud every Friday", and one week your child said "I'm really sorry but I was busy/ill on Friday, I'll do it tomorrow." Would you punish them for writing on the wrong day, or would you say "don't worry; as long as you write to her, that's what's important"? Do you think aunty Maud would rather have a letter 2 days late, or not at all, because the child said "Oh, I'll have to wait til next week now?"

SabbathBlessings said:
Agreed but that does not take away the 4th commandment. Exodus 20:8-11.

Which does not take away the 4th commandment Exodus 20:8-11

Which does not take away the 4th commandment

Never said that it did.
I said, right at the beginning, that I keep A Sabbath, but I suspect it is not the one you think I should keep. It might sound as though I have been arguing against keeping it at all; no, I think the discipline of one day for God is important. Like prayer and Bible study, there is a danger that if we say "I can do that any time," we may never do it.
Equally though, I do believe that we are called to worship God every day, be holy every day, live for him every day and read his word and pray every day. We are living after Pentecost; God is IN us and we are his living temples.

SabbathBlessings said:
We are in the New Covenant now and God's laws are now written in the heart. You are confusing the Old Covenant with the New with your examples.

No, I'm trying to find out what you mean by God's laws.
As you have referenced not eating unclean meat, that would suggest that you believe, and think we should keep, the laws given at Sinai - the 10 commandments were, of course, given at Sinai too.
The health laws, which you have already said are part of God's law, were given in the Old Covenant. If you observe these then you need to observe ALL the other laws given at Sinai under the Old Covenant.

We ARE in the New Covenant - and the commands that Jesus gave were "love God and love your neighbour as yourself", "love one another as I have loved you", "do this in memory of me", "go and make disciples" and many more.
He did NOT say "keep the commands of the Old Covenant".

SabbathBlessings · Sep 21, 2021

Strong in Him said:
No, it doesn't. But I was talking about unbelievers.
The wages of sin is still death - spiritual separation from God. Those who don't accept Jesus are separated from God by their sin and have no way of reconciling themselves to him. Without repenting and accepting Jesus, they will remain in that sin.

Agree. Which of course includes the 4th commandment

Strong in Him said:
I never said that it did; but keeping the Sabbath on the "wrong" day, is not a sin.
Or are you saying that I could have a day of rest, worship, Bible reading, fellowship and awesome time with God on a Sunday but because it's not the "correct" day to rest and worship him, he will send me to hell?
That is not true at all.

It doesn't matter what I say, it matters what God says.

This is the 4th commandment that was personally written by our Creator:

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Sabbath is on the seventh day, not a seventh day so your argument is with God not me since God wrote His holy laws. It's not multiple choice.

Breaking the laws of God is still a sin even in the New Covenant 1 John 3:4

Jesus said:Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

Maybe you can find the commandment to keep holy the first day in scripture? There is none, but there is for the seventh day. The first day is tradition that Jesus warns us about and said obeying traditions over commandments is worshipping in vain. Your argument here is with Jesus and not me.

Strong in Him said:
I never said I didn't; I'm saying we can spend time with God every day - and in fact should. And if we choose to spend special time with him on a Sunday, or Thursday; that is not wrong.
Please don't imply that I am not in favour of spending time with God.

I never said otherwise but it still doesn't delete the 4th commandment

Strong in Him said:
Yet I believe that ALL days are holy days.

You can believe it but I bet you can't find scripture where God deemed all days are holy.

God did say:
Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,

Strong in Him said:
ALL have been created by God. We are to be filled with his Holy Spirit every day, not just on one..

The Holy Spirit helps convict us of sins, helps us to obey God's commandments John 14:15-20 and given to those who obey Acts 5:32

Strong in Him said:
We are to spend time with God every day and not just on one.

Agreed but this still doesn't delete the 4th comamndment

Strong in Him said:
I do go to church, meet with God, study his word, have fellowship and communion with others and with him - on a Sunday; the day on which our Saviour rose and made all things new. I'm sorry that you seem to think that this is not good enough.

Jesus showed us in scripture He went to the Temple on the Sabbath day preaching God's Word Luke 4:16 We are told to Follow Him

Strong in Him said:
I have no problem with that; I do have a problem with those who insist it has to be on a certain day and that God is somehow offended if it isn't.
When I was a care assistant and later student nurse, I had to work on a Sunday. My days off were in the week, so my Sabbath might have been on a Thursday or a Tuesday. That is still keeping a Sabbath - time away from work to rest, worship and remember God; all the things you have said that we should do.
Nobody, not even God himself, told me that I was wrong to do that or that my worship was inadequate or inappropriate.

If you had a child and you said to them, "you must write to aunty Maud every Friday", and one week your child said "I'm really sorry but I was busy/ill on Friday, I'll do it tomorrow." Would you punish them for writing on the wrong day, or would you say "don't worry; as long as you write to her, that's what's important"? Do you think aunty Maud would rather have a letter 2 days late, or not at all, because the child said "Oh, I'll have to wait til next week now?"

Again you're argument is with God's Commandment that He personally wrote with His own hand.

Strong in Him said:
I said, right at the beginning, that I keep A Sabbath, but I suspect it is not the one you think I should keep. It might sound as though I have been arguing against keeping it at all; no, I think the discipline of one day for God is important. Like prayer and Bible study, there is a danger that if we say "I can do that any time," we may never do it.
Equally though, I do believe that we are called to worship God every day, be holy every day, live for him every day and read his word and pray every day. We are living after Pentecost; God is IN us and we are his living temples.

God said His Sabbath was the seventh day Exodus 20:8-11 as it is the Holy day of the Lord thy God Isaiah 58:13

Strong in Him said:
No, I'm trying to find out what you mean by God's laws.
As you have referenced not eating unclean meat, that would suggest that you believe, and think we should keep, the laws given at Sinai - the 10 commandments were, of course, given at Sinai too.
The health laws, which you have already said are part of God's law, were given in the Old Covenant. If you observe these then you need to observe ALL the other laws given at Sinai under the Old Covenant.

We ARE in the New Covenant - and the commands that Jesus gave were "love God and love your neighbour as yourself", "love one another as I have loved you", "do this in memory of me", "go and make disciples" and many more.
He did NOT say "keep the commands of the Old Covenant".

God wrote the New Covenant not Jesus and you will find it in the Old Testament Jeremiah 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

God is not talking about new laws here, He said His laws which of course would include the Ten Commandments that God personally wrote and placed inside the ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy of Holy in His Temple. His laws which include the Ten Commandments are now written in our hearts and we show our love to God when we obey the commandments according to scripture. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3. The greatest commandments Jesus repeated from the Old Covenant. Jesus did not come to destroy the laws Matthew 5:17-30 of God but to magnify Isaiah 42:21. God's laws are not at odds with Jesus. Jesus came to do the will of His Father in Heaven. We will be worshipping our Lord and Savior on the New Heaven and New Earth on God's holy Sabbath day for eternity Isaiah 66:23. God's will for us is the same on earth as it is in heaven.

Sorry we disagree with the scriptures here but they seem pretty clear to me.

God bless

Strong in Him · Sep 21, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
It doesn't matter what I say, it matters what God says.

Which is good, because he never says that he will send us to hell for worshipping him on the "wrong" day.

SabbathBlessings said:
Maybe you can find the commandment to keep holy the first day in scripture?

I've told you; we don't need one - we don't need to be commanded to worship God.

SabbathBlessings said:
The first day is tradition that Jesus warns us about

No it isn't; that's reading backwards.
People only started observing the first day after the resurrection. When Jesus spoke those words about traditions, he wasn't speaking of something which had not yet happened.

Besides, traditions are not bad - it was traditional for people to celebrate the Passover, feast of Tabernacles, for boys to be circumcised at 8 days old and have bar Mitzvah's when they were about 12.
I dare say you do many things within your church which are traditions.

SabbathBlessings said:
Again you're argument is with God's Commandment that He personally wrote with His own hand.

I'm not arguing with God about it - and he's certainly never argued with me nor told me that I was wrong/sinful.

SabbathBlessings said:
God wrote the New Covenant not Jesus

Jesus is God - and he signed it, with his blood.

SabbathBlessings said:
Sorry we disagree with the scriptures here but they seem pretty clear to me.

Then you carry on and keep to what you believe they are saying.
Having Googled SDAs and found some of the other stuff that you believe, your doctrine on 7th day observance seems almost unimportant.

SabbathBlessings · Sep 21, 2021

Strong in Him said:
Which is good, because he never says that he will send us to hell for worshipping him on the "wrong" day.

I've told you; we don't need one - we don't need to be commanded to worship God.

No it isn't; that's reading backwards.
People only started observing the first day after the resurrection. When Jesus spoke those words about traditions, he wasn't speaking of something which had not yet happened.

Besides, traditions are not bad - it was traditional for people to celebrate the Passover, feast of Tabernacles, for boys to be circumcised at 8 days old and have bar Mitzvah's when they were about 12.
I dare say you do many things within your church which are traditions.

I'm not arguing with God about it - and he's certainly never argued with me nor told me that I was wrong/sinful.

Jesus is God - and he signed it, with his blood.

Then you carry on and keep to what you believe they are saying.
Having Googled SDAs and found some of the other stuff that you believe, your doctrine on 7th day observance seems almost unimportant.

We all have free will, the scripture is there if you want to read it. The Sabbath is mentioned close to 170 times and it is the holy day of the Lord thy God and will be forever. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13, Isaiah 66:23

Sorry you think getting religion information off google is a good way to get correct information. I like to get scripture from the bible. If you have questions regarding SDA's beliefs feel free to ask.

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