Refusing to be vaccinated against Covid-19 is a ’sin’ & anti-vaxxers must spend their life repenting

Dorothea said:

When did the abbot endorse a political candidate? I’ve not heard him or read him doing that from the you tube videos and FB posts I’ve read over the last few years. Did I miss one where he actually encouraged people to vote for a particular person?

really, the abbot has been quite balanced. If we are to have concerns over our clergy being too political or getting into the thick of political issues with politicians and such, I’ve found Fr. Josiah Trenham to be a bit over the top and leaning too far one direction on the political scale and at times speaking too much with regards to our founding fathers in the US and the like, in a rather political manner. And his speaking at events with Protestants and other Christian groups at times have come across as too much. But it’s probably just me.

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I have hitherto been quite impressed with Fr Josiah, and have not seen a single instance where he departs from patriotic thought. From what I have seen (granting there might be what I haven’t seen) all attacks on him have come from people who push modernity and oppose tradition in general, people who don’t believe in the consensus of the fathers to correct them.

ArmyMatt said:

except the Game of Thrones thing was apologized for by both Fr Andrew and Steve Christophorou on subsequent podcasts.

no one is asking you to support AFR. no one cares if you do or don't.

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Well, when I got blown off I stopped following those podcasts so of course wouldn’t have known that. And yes, it felt like being completely and deliberately ignored.

So I’m glad to hear they apologized to the public at least. Every mended fence is an improvement. And yes, I feel offended but refuse to take offense, and I’m sure you recognize the distinction.

I would be happy to see or hear the subsequent podcasts you refer to.

Dorothea said:

Here’s the video. It starts around 30 minutes.

https://wwww.[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ute.com/video/d9OXnK8fqHNm/


Sorry. Apparently the computer sensor on this site is identifying bit chute dot com (all one word) as a bad word. Lol just put that in place of the [bless don’t curse] sections. Hoping that works.

just a heads up. Ryan has a particular viewpoint and says it’s his opinions throughout. But listen to the FDA experts. It’s important info.

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Even with the correct address, both my browser and the Russian government don’t want me listening to it.

rusmeister said:

Even with the correct address, both my browser and the Russian government don’t want me listening to it.

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I've been using a VPN to get around those sorts of restrictions for a while

rusmeister said:

Well, when I got blown off I stopped following those podcasts so of course wouldn’t have known that. And yes, it felt like being completely and deliberately ignored.

So I’m glad to hear they apologized to the public at least. Every mended fence is an improvement. And yes, I feel offended but refuse to take offense, and I’m sure you recognize the distinction.

I would be happy to see or hear the subsequent podcasts you refer to.

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that was a few years ago, rus. it was a ton of podcasts ago.

Dorothea said:

Judging by the info I just listened to today via an independent commentator following this issue, where he shared portions of the meeting with FDA officials on stopping boosters - 16 to 2. That’s quite remarkable. And the comments these doctors made tell me there will be an end to the mandate idea and the vaccines soon. I’ll try and post the video and will tell you the mins and seconds where that convo starts. It was quite eye opening for me, especially when they’re basically saying the benefits of the vaccines don’t outweigh the risks. Stay tuned.

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This video is blocked so I can't watch it whatever I try.

rusmeister said:

Well, when I got blown off I stopped following those podcasts so of course wouldn’t have known that. And yes, it felt like being completely and deliberately ignored.

So I’m glad to hear they apologized to the public at least. Every mended fence is an improvement. And yes, I feel offended but refuse to take offense, and I’m sure you recognize the distinction.

I would be happy to see or hear the subsequent podcasts you refer to.

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I think they received outcries from so many that they couldn't respond personally to everyone on this issue. Thus, their unresponsiveness to your concerns probably wasn't anything personal.

Andrei D said:

Orthodox Churches are deeply involved with the state and interweaved with the national identity maybe in slightly varying degrees, but always. Plus in many places the Church is funded in some way by the government. Plus it gets as involved as it can in making legislative proposals, sometimes openly campaigning for political issues, so forth... Sure the EU is enforcing more separation NOW in the countries that are under that rule, but that's a different issue.

I'm guessing this is a matter of perspective? In a traditionally non-Orthodox geography where the Church is just too small to be involved at the top level of government it seems plausible. But everywhere else it is, and from my perspective this discussion sounds like a... virtual reality I don't have the words to explain, it's just that things are literally the opposite.

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For what it’s worth, this doesn’t really happen in my community, though we tend to not have the same level of national involvement. For example, we do support marches for life, marches for traditional marriage, Pro-Life groups, etc. We don’t really get involved in official governmental business though. It seems pretty far from what I’ve seen in traditionally Orthodox countries.

That said - in my husband’s great-grandparents’ immigrant community (when they arrived in the US) was all built around the Church. The Church was the center of community life, faith, etc. Everyone there pretty much attended the Orthodox Church in the middle of town, and that was their center of life. I may be romanticizing it some, as they had a tough life coal mining, etc., but the concept I mentioned earlier seemed to be a reality there. The same thing happened with some villages in Alaska. It isn’t unheard of in Orthodoxy. It seems like a beautiful way of living from my perspective.

rusmeister said:

Even with the correct address, both my browser and the Russian government don’t want me listening to it.

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I’m supposed to get my internet hooked up today, and I will try via my laptop tonight, God willing, to hopefully get the link to work.

if there continues to be a problem, just go to bit chute .com (all one word, no spaces) and search for The Last American Vagabond.

rusmeister said:

I have hitherto been quite impressed with Fr Josiah, and have not seen a single instance where he departs from patriotic thought. From what I have seen (granting there might be what I haven’t seen) all attacks on him have come from people who push modernity and oppose tradition in general, people who don’t believe in the consensus of the fathers to correct them.

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I listen to him once and a while. I used to listen to him more several years ago. He’s too into America/too nationalistic for my taste. Although my country may have some things better or right regarding freedoms and liberties than other countries, I don’t think it’s “exceptional” and the government hardly less corrupt than any other Western country. JMO

truefiction1 said:

I think they received outcries from so many that they couldn't respond personally to everyone on this issue. Thus, their unresponsiveness to your concerns probably wasn't anything personal.

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Actually, I was involved in a private conversation with both Fr Andrew and another member of this forum. So I was getting personal response. At the time, what I was trying to point out was not admitted and ignored. I am glad to hear that they have since admitted it, but would really like to see/hear it for myself.

Dorothea said:

I listen to him once and a while. I used to listen to him more several years ago. He’s too into America/too nationalistic for my taste. Although my country may have some things better or right regarding freedoms and liberties than other countries, I don’t think it’s “exceptional” and the government hardly less corrupt than any other Western country. JMO

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Historically, America IS really exceptional. Show me another country with both an established right to reject a government that ceases to serve its citizens AND is based, not on ethnicity, but a creed (this is why speaking of hyphenated-Americans is so pernicious - it undermines and contradicts the idea that ethnicity is irrelevant to nationality). Our Constitution is so superior to others that in 2016 even its rags and tatters defeated the plans of the rich to seat their own candidate, and forced them to cheat and deceive in the face of that in 2020, something I don’t think you’ll see in any other country.

Of course you are right that its government is highly corrupt, and in that it is NOT exceptional. It is right for Americans to be nationalistic in the sense of loving and preferring their own country to others. The nation is the chief thing, in the absence of genuine kingdoms, that stands in opposition to empire, the effort to rule many peoples, languages, religions and cultures under one flag.

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Great post, except the part where you take an allegation of rigging and election and frame it as an established fact. The rest is outstanding.

rusmeister said:

Historically, America IS really exceptional. Show me another country with both an established right to reject a government that ceases to serve its citizens AND is based, not on ethnicity, but a creed (this is why speaking of hyphenated-Americans is so pernicious - it undermines and contradicts the idea that ethnicity is irrelevant to nationality). Our Constitution is so superior to others that in 2016 even its rags and tatters defeated the plans of the rich to seat their own candidate, and forced them to cheat and deceive in the face of that in 2020, something I don’t think you’ll see in any other country.

Of course you are right that its government is highly corrupt, and in that it is NOT exceptional. It is right for Americans to be nationalistic in the sense of loving and preferring their own country to others. The nation is the chief thing, in the absence of genuine kingdoms, that stands in opposition to empire, the effort to rule many peoples, languages, religions and cultures under one flag.

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rusmeister said:

Actually, I was involved in a private conversation with both Fr Andrew and another member of this forum. So I was getting personal response. At the time, what I was trying to point out was not admitted and ignored. I am glad to hear that they have since admitted it, but would really like to see/hear it for myself.

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as the other member of that conversation I can say that's not entirely true, and especially since after that conversation I had other conversations with you and Fr Andrew. actually, it was in that whole thing where Fr Andrew said that both he and Steve had addressed the Game of Thrones issue.

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Historically, America IS really exceptional. Show me another country with both an established right to reject a government that ceases to serve its citizens AND is based, not on ethnicity, but a creed (this is why speaking of hyphenated-Americans is so pernicious - it undermines and contradicts the idea that ethnicity is irrelevant to nationality). Our Constitution is so superior to others that in 2016 even its rags and tatters defeated the plans of the rich to seat their own candidate, and forced them to cheat and deceive in the face of that in 2020, something I don’t think you’ll see in any other country.

Of course you are right that its government is highly corrupt, and in that it is NOT exceptional. It is right for Americans to be nationalistic in the sense of loving and preferring their own country to others. The nation is the chief thing, in the absence of genuine kingdoms, that stands in opposition to empire, the effort to rule many peoples, languages, religions and cultures under one flag.

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Sorry. Over the past decade, I’ve learned too many terrible and dark things about our government’s history to cheerlead my country. I know that sounds awful. But I grew up in a conservative military household, living on bases where the National Anthem played through loud speakers both morning and evening (start and end of work day for the military members), went to the base theaters with the National Anthem played in a patriotic video before each movie, and then married a military member and have lived the life of a dependent military member longer than a civilian, and well, I have nothing against the military obviously. As I said, it’s been a part of most of my life, but things I discovered about my government’s actions, especially the intelligence agencies, woke me up from my hardcore conservative stances on everything - pro intervention wars, capital punishment, trickle down economics, etc. - listened to a bunch of conservative talk radio hosts for years. But all of that started changing in 2009. I believe after letting go of the idol I’d made of my country, its flag, and I became close to my church then, God was able to reach me, and my thoughts changed on these things and then in 2013, some other disturbing things about my government and intel agencies left me feeling angry, upset, and shocked. Since then, I’ve been pretty critical of my country’s political systems and the two things I’ve already mentioned, so I rather follow Mother Gavrilia who said we’re all travelers on this earth. Yes, this is the country in which I was born, and I am glad I was born here and appreciate things about it, but I don’t have any affection or nationalistic attachment to it. I suppose I’m a bit patriotic because questioning our government is considered patriotic. That’s about it.

I've finally gotten internet hooked up in my apartment. (Hurray). Don't know if the link will make any difference. In any case, I'll try again. And as I said above, if it doesn't work, go to bit chute .com (all one word) and search for The Last American Vagabond, and the title of the video: FDA Panel Rejects Boosters After Experts Expose Injection Dangers & COVID Jabs' Immunological Attack. Starts around 30 minutes in with regard to the panel of experts speaking that he shares (think there are four of them, and they are short bits of their presentations).

https://www.bit chute.com/video/d9OXnK8fqHNm/

ETA: OR try copying and pasting that into your url browser window, and take out the space.

gurneyhalleck1 said:

Great post, except the part where you take an allegation of rigging and election and frame it as an established fact. The rest is outstanding.

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Gurney, I firmly believe it to be a fact, for many reasons. It is proved to me. It is not proved to you. I’m pushing sixty and see a thousand relevant facts that fit together and make sense. You have a world view that doesn’t see that. A view that says that Biden won the election fair and square does not square with the fact that he has no popular support to speak of, outside of the establishments of the wealthy, the media, Hollywood, etc. When Trump was President, thousands of supporters could be seen cheering and hollering support at his events and speeches even under covid. I see only silence and videos of booing when his motorcade goes past, and I plug in to a wide range of sources. I’ll even watch the claims and rigged reporting from CNN and MSNBC. A man who honestly won the most votes in American history ought to have visible public support. The ordinary people would be out backing the man up. And they aren’t. That is what I see to be a rather important fact (out of I don’t know how many hundreds of facts) that you would have to effectively counter, setting aside the direct reporting and videos establishing large numbers of cases of fraud on local levels. I think I have considerable evidence for my allegation based on observation and thinking about claims and counter-claims. But tell me where the popular support is, where Biden is being cheered and his policies hailed. (As if they were actually “his” policies; the man is a replaceable puppet.)

Oh, and probably even more important for this thread: who is hip to Project Veritas’s latest whistleblowing video on the vaccine?

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Gurney, I firmly believe it to be a fact, for many reasons. It is proved to me. It is not proved to you. I’m pushing sixty and see a thousand relevant facts that fit together and make sense. You have a world view that doesn’t see that. A view that says that Biden won the election fair and square does not square with the fact that he has no popular support to speak of, outside of the establishments of the wealthy, the media, Hollywood, etc. When Trump was President, thousands of supporters could be seen cheering and hollering support at his events and speeches even under covid. I see only silence and videos of booing when his motorcade goes past, and I plug in to a wide range of sources. I’ll even watch the claims and rigged reporting from CNN and MSNBC. A man who honestly won the most votes in American history ought to have visible public support. The ordinary people would be out backing the man up. And they aren’t. That is what I see to be a rather important fact (out of I don’t know how many hundreds of facts) that you would have to effectively counter, setting aside the direct reporting and videos establishing large numbers of cases of fraud on local levels. I think I have considerable evidence for my allegation based on observation and thinking about claims and counter-claims. But tell me where the popular support is, where Biden is being cheered and his policies hailed. (As if they were actually “his” policies; the man is a replaceable puppet.)

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Ditto on this. I don't doubt that there are many people who can't see it, as well as some who simply don't want to see it, but for me it is as plain as the nose on my face.