IS ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT GOD'S CHURCH?

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John 12:48 judge him in the last day.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19 I will require [it] of him.
Genesis 17:13 My covenant shall be on your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
Genesis 22:18 because thou hast obeyed My voice.

But since the cross:
Paul taught the gentiles; Galatians 2:7

But

Peter taught the circumcision what Jesus taught His Galilean Disciples.

Matthew 28:16-20 Then the Eleven Disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw Him, they worshipped Him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and disciple always the nation, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, unto the end of the world. Amen.

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πάντα τὰ ἔθνη translate

And you get this:

always the nation

Therefore

From: Jesus
To: the Eleven Disciples
Go ye therefore, and disciple always the nation,
teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.


Jesus commanded them:

Matthew 10:5-42 Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
Matthew 24:14
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me:
 
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I don't follow Paul's gospel to the gentiles.
Galatians 2:7
I follow the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

2 Peter 1:20–21 (AV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

All scripture came in the manner described in verse 21. All scripture is therefore prophetic and verse 20 applies to all scripture. No one portion of scripture is of any private interpretation (specifically not by the will of man)...

Matthew 16:17 (AV)
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16:23 (AV)
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Mark 7:13 (AV)
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Mark 7:7 (AV)
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Friend, before you reject the major interpretation of all of scripture (i.e. the Pauline Gospel) by a man who was about as expert on the Law and the purpose of it as anyone in recorded scripture and history for that matter... I beg you to consider these things.

Dominion theology / Kingdom theology / Kingdom of Heaven / Kingdom of God / etc. could all be man's misinterpretation of the many ways to refer to the Church / the Great Assembly / Body of Christ / Living Temple of God...

What you think or believe, or what I think or believe, or what billions of people think or believe does not matter. Only what the Holy Spirit who wrote the Bible teaches from the Bible matters. Jesus himself said he came to fulfill what was in the scriptures. That's how important they are.
 
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OK, one more time:

The Gospel of the Kingdom, 101

Matthew 6:14-15 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Jesus didn't teach His Galilean Apostles what He didn't do.
Peter repented, Jesus forgave him.
And here's the proof:

John 17:6 I have manifested Thy name unto the men which Thou gavest Me out of the world: Thine they were, and Thou gavest them Me; and they have kept Thy word.

John 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou Me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto Him, Feed My lambs.


God would've given such an important task to what you call a satanic...?
That can't even happen in the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.



Then the prophecies of Matthew 21:39-45 and Daniel 2:34-35, Matthew 22:16-17 and Matthew 23:34-35... simply would not exist. Nor would John 8:33 and Matthew 22:15-16, or Matthew 24:4-24, Revelation 13, Revelation 17, etc., ad infinitum.



Let's look at Isaiah 64:6 in context:

The whole chapter is only about Judah.

Isaiah 64:4-11 From of old we have not heard, neither have our eyes seen a God beside Thee, and Thy works which Thou wilt perform to them that wait for mercy. 5 For these blessings shall happen to them that work righteousness, and they shall remember Thy ways: behold, thou wast angry and we have sinned; therefore we have erred, 6 and we are all become as unclean, and all our righteousness as a filthy rag: and we have fallen as leaves because of our iniquities; thus the wind shall carry us away. 7 And there is none that calls upon Thy name, or that remembers to take hold on Thee: for Thou hast turned Thy face away from us, and hast delivered us up because of our sins. 8 And now, O Lord, Thou art our Father, and we are clay, all of us the work of Thine hands. 9 Be not very wroth with us, and remember not our sins for ever; but now look on us, for we are all Thy people. 10 The city of thy holiness has become desolate, Sion has become as a wilderness, Jerusalem a curse. 11 The house, our sanctuary, and the glory which our fathers blessed, has been burnt with fire: and all our glorious things have gone to ruin.LXX


Now let's look at Psalm 53:3 in context:

These are atheists... not Israelites.

Psalms 53:1-6 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They have corrupted themselves, and become abominable in iniquities: there is none that does good. 2 God looked down from heaven upon the sons of men, to see if there were any that understood, or sought after God. 3 They have all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, there is not even one. 4 Will none of the workers of iniquity know, who devour My people as they would eat bread? they have not called upon God. There were they greatly afraid, where there was no fear: 5 or God has scattered the bones of the men-pleasers; they were ashamed, for God despised them. 6 Who will bring the salvation of Israel out of Sion? When the Lord turns the captivity of His people, Jacob shall exult, and Israel shall be glad.LXX

Wow.

So Hebrews 11 should be a chapter about works. By works... Abraham was credited righteousness... etc.

Okay. Well at least I know from where your posts are coming. Before I put you on ignore I reiterate my previous plea to you at the end of my post to you just prior to this. I pray that you do.
 
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Dominion theology / Kingdom theology / Kingdom of Heaven / Kingdom of God / etc. could all be man's misinterpretation of the many ways to refer to the Church / the Great Assembly / Body of Christ / Living Temple of God...
Kingdom of Heaven: Matthew 3:2 Matthew 4:17 Matthew 5:3 Matthew 5:10 Matthew 5:19 Matthew 5:20 Matthew 7:21 Matthew 8:11 Matthew 10:7 Matthew 11:11 Matthew 11:12 Matthew 13:11 Matthew 13:24 Matthew 13:31 Matthew 13:33 Matthew 13:44 Matthew 13:45 Matthew 13:47 Matthew 13:52 Matthew 16:19 Matthew 18:1 Matthew 18:3 Matthew 18:4 Matthew 18:23 Matthew 19:12 Matthew 19:14 Matthew 19:23 Matthew 20:1 Matthew 22:2 Matthew 23:13 Matthew 25:1 Matthew 25:14
Kingdom of God: Matthew 6:33 Matthew 12:28 Matthew 19:24 Matthew 21:31 Matthew 21:43 John 3:3 John 3:5


Well now it sounds like you're trying to call the very words of Jesus' a cult.

Seems like a cautionary tale, to me.

John 16:2-3 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor Me.

John 15:20-21 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for My name's sake, because they know not Him that sent Me.

Revelation 2:8-10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil is about to cast of you into a cage, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


Friend, before you reject the major interpretation of all of scripture (i.e. the Pauline Gospel) by a man who was about as expert on the Law and the purpose of it as anyone in recorded scripture and history for that matter... I beg you to consider these things.
Do you reject letters not written to gentiles? Galatians 2:7-9 Galatians 3:5

John 15:13-14 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

James 2:21-23 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

John 14:15-17 If ye love Me, keep My Commandments and I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever: the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him; but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:26 But the Comforter--the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name--He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

ginomai = a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), to become (come into being)

Revelation 21:1-6 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
 
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Kingdom of Heaven: Matthew 3:2 Matthew 4:17 Matthew 5:3 Matthew 5:10 Matthew 5:19 Matthew 5:20 Matthew 7:21 Matthew 8:11 Matthew 10:7 Matthew 11:11 Matthew 11:12 Matthew 13:11 Matthew 13:24 Matthew 13:31 Matthew 13:33 Matthew 13:44 Matthew 13:45 Matthew 13:47 Matthew 13:52 Matthew 16:19 Matthew 18:1 Matthew 18:3 Matthew 18:4 Matthew 18:23 Matthew 19:12 Matthew 19:14 Matthew 19:23 Matthew 20:1 Matthew 22:2 Matthew 23:13 Matthew 25:1 Matthew 25:14
Kingdom of God: Matthew 6:33 Matthew 12:28 Matthew 19:24 Matthew 21:31 Matthew 21:43 John 3:3 John 3:5


Well now it sounds like you're trying to call the very words of Jesus' a cult.

Seems like a cautionary tale, to me.

John 16:2-3 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor Me.

John 15:20-21 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for My name's sake, because they know not Him that sent Me.

Revelation 2:8-10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil is about to cast of you into a cage, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.



Do you reject letters not written to gentiles? Galatians 2:7-9 Galatians 3:5

John 15:13-14 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

James 2:21-23 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

John 14:15-17 If ye love Me, keep My Commandments and I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever: the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him; but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:26 But the Comforter--the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name--He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

ginomai = a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), to become (come into being)

Revelation 21:1-6 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

If I am being honest with you I still do not understand what your arguments are? What are you trying to say simply? What is it you are trying to say that you believe is supported by the scriptures? I know your post here was not written to me. Perhaps you and your friend are actually saying the same things but in different ways. Where do you see your disagreement is?

Take Care.
 
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The purpose of LoveGodswords thread here is, to try to show Israel became the Gentiles, so he can somehow say that all now are responsible for doing the law as presented to Israel, and of course just one specific law, as his religion teaches, and is names after, seven day worshippers.


But, Israel is still in the law, they still keep Sabbath, they do not keep every day Holy, nor the Sabbath day Holy, they do not do the Lords pleasure on the Sabbath day, nor on any day, they do not speak the Lords word on the Sabbath, nor on any day, as the word of the Lord, is the word of faith ( and I was not even speaking about Judaism, I was saying the same about SDA, or change the words around and it is SAD.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
 
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The purpose of LoveGodswords thread here is, to try to show Israel became the Gentiles, so he can somehow say that all now are responsible for doing the law as presented to Israel, and of course just one specific law, as his religion teaches, and is names after, seven day worshippers.


But, Israel is still in the law, they still keep Sabbath, they do not keep every day Holy, nor the Sabbath day Holy, they do not do the Lords pleasure on the Sabbath day, nor on any day, they do not speak the Lords word on the Sabbath, nor on any day, as the word of the Lord, is the word of faith ( and I was not even speaking about Judaism, I was saying the same about SDA, or change the words around and it is SAD.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

According to the scriptures as already shown in the OP, under the new covenant there is no more Jewish and Gentile believers born of the flesh in Gods' true Israel as all believers are now one in Christ. God's true Israel therefore is no longer all those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham, but are now all those who through faith are born of the Spirit to believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. If you are not a part of Gods' Israel in the new covenant you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise which God gave to Israel *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27, who in the new covenant is simply all those who have been born again to believe and follow God's Word. There are no more Jews and Gentiles. All are one in Christ under the new covenant *Ephesians 2:11-13. As posted earlier, God did not make the new covenant with Gentiles. In the new covenant a Jew is no longer those outwardly born of the flesh; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God (Romans 3:28-29).

Take care.
 
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If I am being honest with you I still do not understand what your arguments are? What are you trying to say simply? What is it you are trying to say that you believe is supported by the scriptures? I know your post here was not written to me. Perhaps you and your friend are actually saying the same things but in different ways. Where do you see your disagreement is?

Take Care.

Well to be without guile... people who don't believe what I believe aren't my friends.
 
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Well to be without guile... people who don't believe what I believe aren't my friends.
Ok so I am not sure why what your argument is with the people you are posting to. What is it that you disagree with?
 
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Friend, before you reject the major interpretation of all of scripture (i.e. the Pauline Gospel) by a man who was about as expert on the Law and the purpose of it as anyone in recorded scripture and history for that matter... I beg you to consider these things.

To which I replied: Do you reject letters not written to gentiles? Galatians 2:7-9

If I am being honest with you I still do not understand what your arguments are? What are you trying to say simply? What is it you are trying to say that you believe is supported by the scriptures? I know your post here was not written to me. Perhaps you and your friend are actually saying the same things but in different ways. Where do you see your disagreement is?

Well to be without guile... people who don't believe what I believe aren't my friends.

Ok so I am not sure why what your argument is with the people you are posting to. What is it that you disagree with?

Pretty much the same things about which I disagree with you.

What do you do with the Pauline verses that do away with Abraham's actual seed and replace it with gentiles who work without Law? Like the ones where somehow the circumcision is made uncircumcision by breaking the Law. David broke the Law and repented... on his knees, in tears... to become a man after God's own heart. This is the "sure mercies of David" upon which the Everlasting Covenant is based. Does anyone seriously think that David became the uncircumcision by breaking the Law? Could Jesus have come from the seed of theoretically-uncircumcision David? Did God take back the Everlasting Covenant on their flesh?

Genesis 17:13-14 My covenant shall be on your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My covenant.

Didn't Paul have access to the Genesis scroll when he wrote those letters?

According to the scriptures as already shown in the OP, under the new covenant there is no more Jewish and Gentile believers born of the flesh in Gods' true Israel as all believers are now one in Christ. God's true Israel therefore is no longer all those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham, but are now all those who through faith are born of the Spirit to believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. If you are not a part of Gods' Israel in the new covenant you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise which God gave to Israel *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27, who in the new covenant is simply all those who have been born again to believe and follow God's Word. There are no more Jews and Gentiles. All are one in Christ under the new covenant *Ephesians 2:11-13. As posted earlier, God did not make the new covenant with Gentiles. In the new covenant a Jew is no longer those outwardly born of the flesh; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God (Romans 3:28-29).

Jeremias 31:31-34 doesn't replace anything... it adds John 14:26. When you said believe and follow God's word... did you mean replace Genesis with Paul?
(BTW, Paul never once taught born again... that's not from the gentile gospel... new creature is his term. But private circumcision... to be praised...? Did Paul keep the Law to be praised by men?)

Because Genesis 17:7 matches the Prophets, and the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. The seed doesn't change, it's the Everlasting Covenant for the Circumcision. This isn't vicarious-doctrines. This is literal in every sense of the word.

Genesis 17:7 And I will establish My covenant between thee and thy seed after thee, to their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be thy God, and the God of thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give to thee and to thy seed after thee the land wherein thou sojournest, even all the land of Chanaan for an everlasting possession, and I will be to them a God. 9 And God said to Abraam, Thou also shalt fully keep My covenant, thou and thy seed after thee for their generations. 10 And this is the covenant which thou shalt fully keep between Me and you, and between thy seed after thee for their generations; every male of you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and you. 12 And the child of eight days old shall be circumcised by you, every male throughout your generations, and the servant born in the house and he that is bought with money, of every son of a stranger, who is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money shall be surely circumcised, and My covenant shall be on your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My covenant.

Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because thou hast hearkened to My voice.

James 1:1 to the twelve tribes... James 2:21-23 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. John 15:13-14 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Matthew 7:24-25

This is the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven... for the seed of Abraham and the circumcision that is literal... and eternal.
You can't really take what belongs to the literal seed of Abraham. What you can do is realize the seed of Abraham exists in every nation, as the lost sheep of the house of Israel... where Jesus' sheep only hear His voice, John 10:5.
 
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The Blood Covenant

Genesis 15:17-18 And when the sun was about to set, there was a flame, and behold a smoking furnace and lamps of fire, which passed between these divided pieces. In that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, To thy seed I will give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river Euphrates.

Genesis 17:7-14 And I will establish My covenant between thee and thy seed after thee, to their generations, for an Everlasting Covenant, to be thy God, and the God of thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give to thee and to thy seed after thee the land wherein thou sojournest, even all the land of Chanaan for an everlasting possession, and I will be to them a God. 9 And God said to Abraam, Thou also shalt fully keep My covenant, thou and thy seed after thee for their generations. 10 And this is the covenant which thou shalt fully keep between Me and you, and between thy seed after thee for their generations; every male of you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and you. 12 And the child of eight days old shall be circumcised by you, every male throughout your generations, and the servant born in the house and he that is bought with money, of every son of a stranger, who is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money shall be surely circumcised, and My covenant shall be on your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My covenant.

Matthew 26:26-28 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave to the Disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is My body. 27 And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is My blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 1:21
 
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To which I replied: Do you reject letters not written to gentiles? Galatians 2:7-9

Galatians 3:28 (AV)
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Also Ephesians 2:11-22 disproves your interpretation of the Kingdom Gospel and false distinctions you interpolate:

Ephesians 2:14 (AV)
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

I wish you well ← in that you find the truth.
 
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According to the scriptures as already shown in the OP, under the new covenant there is no more Jewish and Gentile believers born of the flesh in Gods' true Israel as all believers are now one in Christ. God's true Israel therefore is no longer all those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham, but are now all those who through faith are born of the Spirit to believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29. If you are not a part of Gods' Israel in the new covenant you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise which God gave to Israel *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27, who in the new covenant is simply all those who have been born again to believe and follow God's Word. There are no more Jews and Gentiles. All are one in Christ under the new covenant *Ephesians 2:11-13. As posted earlier, God did not make the new covenant with Gentiles. In the new covenant a Jew is no longer those outwardly born of the flesh; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God (Romans 3:28-29).

Take care.

As for Faith in Christ Jesus, there is no difference between believing Israelite and believing Gentile, both together make up His Church. That per Apostle Paul.

But... Paul NEVER went against God's Promises to the seed of Israel. Your belief from men's traditions does.

Matt 19:27-28
27 Then answered Peter and said unto Him, "Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed Thee; what shall we have therefore?"

28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

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Rom 11:25-32
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.


29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
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The gifts and calling of God being "without repentance" means God will not take back His promises to His chosen of the seed of Israel. Not my idea, but what Apostle Paul said in the above Romans 11 Chapter.
 
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As for Faith in Christ Jesus, there is no difference between believing Israelite and believing Gentile, both together make up His Church. That per Apostle Paul.

But... Paul NEVER went against God's Promises to the seed of Israel. Your belief from men's traditions does.

Matt 19:27-28
27 Then answered Peter and said unto Him, "Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed Thee; what shall we have therefore?"

28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
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Rom 11:25-32
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
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The gifts and calling of God being "without repentance" means God will not take back His promises to His chosen of the seed of Israel. Not my idea, but what Apostle Paul said in the above Romans 11 Chapter.

Not really. Romans 11:13-27 only supports what is being shared here in the OP and that is gentile believers are now grafted in to God's true Israel which is only a name given by God to all those who believe and follow Gods' Word.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

see post # 78 linked

Take Care
 
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Not really. Romans 11:13-27 only supports what is being shared here in the OP and that is gentile believers are now grafted in to God's true Israel which is only a name given by God to all those who believe and follow Gods' Word.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

see post # 78 linked

Take Care

So... you don't care to address the Scripture proofs that I posted that GOD IS NOT GOING TO END HIS PROMISES TO THE 'SEED' OF ISRAEL. No sense in trying to discuss this with you then, since leaving out those Scriptures shows your view is not completely accurate.
 
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So... you don't care to address the Scripture proofs that I posted that GOD IS NOT GOING TO END HIS PROMISES TO THE 'SEED' OF ISRAEL. No sense in trying to discuss this with you then, since leaving out those Scriptures shows your view is not completely accurate.
Nothing to address. Romans 11:13-27 is supportive of the OP and that is that gentile believers are now grafted in with Jewish believers and we are all one in Christ. God's true Israel in the new covenant according to the scriptures are not longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who are born of the Spirit into God's new covenant promise by faith to believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29; John 3:3-7; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. If you are not a part of God's true Israel then you have no part in God's new covenant promise. God never made the new covenant to gentiles. Romans 11:13-27 is used in the last link in the OP as support scriptures for God's true Israel.

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ROMANS 11:16-27
[16], For if the first-fruit are holy, the lump is also holy: and IF THE ROOT IS HOLY, SO ARE THE BRANCHES.

The root represents Christ...

[17], And if some of the branches were broken off, and YOU, BEING A WILD OLIVE TREE, WERE GRAFTED IN AMONG THEM, AND WITH THEM PARTAKE OF THE ROOT AND FATNESS OF THE OLIVE TREE.

The Jewish and the Gentile believers are the branches grafted onto the root (Christ)...

[18], Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you.
[19], You will say then, THE BRANCHES WERE BROKEN OFF, THAT I MIGHT BE GRAFTED IN.
[20], Well; BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF THEY WERE BROKEN OFF, AND YOU STAND BY FAITH. Be not arrogant, but fear:

God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow god's word...

[21], For IF GOD SPARED NOT THE NATURAL BRANCHES, TAKE HEED LEST HE ALSO NOT SPARE YOU.
[22], Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS: OTHERWISE YOU ALSO SHALL BE CUT OFF.
[23], And they also, IF THEY ABIDE NOT STILL IN UNBELIEF, SHALL BE GRAFTED IN: FOR GOD IS ABLE TO GRAFT THEM IN AGAIN.
[24], FOR IF YOU WERE CUT OUT OF THE OLIVE TREE WHICH IS WILD BY NATURE, AND WERE GRAFTED CONTRARY TO NATURE INTO A GOOD OLIVE TREE: HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHO ARE THE NATURAL BRANCHES, BE GRAFTED INTO THEIR OWN OLIVE TREE?
[25], For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES COMES IN.
[26], And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED: AS IT IS WRITTEN, THERE SHALL COME OUT OF ZION THE DELIVERER, AND SHALL TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB:

The NEW COVENANT is for both Jews and Greek, bond and free, all those who are in Christ. All in Christ are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.

[27], FOR THIS IS MY COVENANT UNTO THEM, WHEN I SHALL TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

................

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are now God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

Take Care. :)
 
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Nothing to address. Romans 11:13-27 is supportive of the OP and that is that gentile believers are now grafted in with Jewish believers and we are all one in Christ. God's true Israel in the new covenant according to the scriptures are not longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who are born of the Spirit into God's new covenant promise by faith to believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-28; Romans 2:28-29; John 3:3-7; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. If you are not a part of God's true Israel then you have no part in God's new covenant promise. God never made the new covenant to gentiles. Romans 11:13-27 is used in the last link in the OP as support scriptures for God's true Israel.

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ROMANS 11:16-27
[16], For if the first-fruit are holy, the lump is also holy: and IF THE ROOT IS HOLY, SO ARE THE BRANCHES.

The root represents Christ...

[17], And if some of the branches were broken off, and YOU, BEING A WILD OLIVE TREE, WERE GRAFTED IN AMONG THEM, AND WITH THEM PARTAKE OF THE ROOT AND FATNESS OF THE OLIVE TREE.

The Jewish and the Gentile believers are the branches grafted onto the root (Christ)...

[18], Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you.
[19], You will say then, THE BRANCHES WERE BROKEN OFF, THAT I MIGHT BE GRAFTED IN.
[20], Well; BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF THEY WERE BROKEN OFF, AND YOU STAND BY FAITH. Be not arrogant, but fear:

God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow god's word...

[21], For IF GOD SPARED NOT THE NATURAL BRANCHES, TAKE HEED LEST HE ALSO NOT SPARE YOU.
[22], Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS: OTHERWISE YOU ALSO SHALL BE CUT OFF.
[23], And they also, IF THEY ABIDE NOT STILL IN UNBELIEF, SHALL BE GRAFTED IN: FOR GOD IS ABLE TO GRAFT THEM IN AGAIN.
[24], FOR IF YOU WERE CUT OUT OF THE OLIVE TREE WHICH IS WILD BY NATURE, AND WERE GRAFTED CONTRARY TO NATURE INTO A GOOD OLIVE TREE: HOW MUCH MORE SHALL THESE, WHO ARE THE NATURAL BRANCHES, BE GRAFTED INTO THEIR OWN OLIVE TREE?
[25], For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES COMES IN.
[26], And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED: AS IT IS WRITTEN, THERE SHALL COME OUT OF ZION THE DELIVERER, AND SHALL TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB:

The NEW COVENANT is for both Jews and Greek, bond and free, all those who are in Christ. All in Christ are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.

[27], FOR THIS IS MY COVENANT UNTO THEM, WHEN I SHALL TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

................

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are now God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

Take Care. :)

Are you an Amillienalist? You believe there is no coming 1000 year kingdom reign of Christ on Earth, with Israel, after the 2nd coming?
 
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To which I replied: Do you reject letters not written to gentiles? Galatians 2:7-9


Pretty much the same things about which I disagree with you.

What do you do with the Pauline verses that do away with Abraham's actual seed and replace it with gentiles who work without Law? Like the ones where somehow the circumcision is made uncircumcision by breaking the Law. David broke the Law and repented... on his knees, in tears... to become a man after God's own heart. This is the "sure mercies of David" upon which the Everlasting Covenant is based. Does anyone seriously think that David became the uncircumcision by breaking the Law? Could Jesus have come from the seed of theoretically-uncircumcision David? Did God take back the Everlasting Covenant on their flesh?

Genesis 17:13-14 My covenant shall be on your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My covenant.

Didn't Paul have access to the Genesis scroll when he wrote those letters?


Jeremias 31:31-34 doesn't replace anything... it adds John 14:26. When you said believe and follow God's word... did you mean replace Genesis with Paul?
(BTW, Paul never once taught born again... that's not from the gentile gospel... new creature is his term. But private circumcision... to be praised...? Did Paul keep the Law to be praised by men?)

Because Genesis 17:7 matches the Prophets, and the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. The seed doesn't change, it's the Everlasting Covenant for the Circumcision. This isn't vicarious-doctrines. This is literal in every sense of the word.

Genesis 17:7 And I will establish My covenant between thee and thy seed after thee, to their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be thy God, and the God of thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give to thee and to thy seed after thee the land wherein thou sojournest, even all the land of Chanaan for an everlasting possession, and I will be to them a God. 9 And God said to Abraam, Thou also shalt fully keep My covenant, thou and thy seed after thee for their generations. 10 And this is the covenant which thou shalt fully keep between Me and you, and between thy seed after thee for their generations; every male of you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and you. 12 And the child of eight days old shall be circumcised by you, every male throughout your generations, and the servant born in the house and he that is bought with money, of every son of a stranger, who is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money shall be surely circumcised, and My covenant shall be on your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My covenant.

Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because thou hast hearkened to My voice.

James 1:1 to the twelve tribes... James 2:21-23 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. John 15:13-14 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Matthew 7:24-25

This is the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven... for the seed of Abraham and the circumcision that is literal... and eternal.
You can't really take what belongs to the literal seed of Abraham. What you can do is realize the seed of Abraham exists in every nation, as the lost sheep of the house of Israel... where Jesus' sheep only hear His voice, John 10:5.

Galatians 3:28 (AV)
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Also Ephesians 2:11-22 disproves your interpretation of the Kingdom Gospel <snip>

Ephesians 2:14 (AV)
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
<snip>
Galatians 2:7-9

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us]; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Deuteronomy 5:1-7 And Moses called all Israel, and said to them, Hear, Israel, the ordinances and judgments, all that I speak in your ears this day, and ye shall learn them, and observe to do them. 2 The Lord your God made a covenant with you in Choreb. ... 6 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 7 Thou shalt have no other gods before My face...
Ordinances = the 10 Commandments: Deuteronomy 5:6-21.
The 10 Commandments are nothing less than the legal document of the Old Covenant given by the Father to the Israelites... which Jesus confirms in the New Covenant: Matthew 22:37 Matthew 19:16-21, and strengthens point-by-point in Matthew 5:1--Matthew 7:29... and through every word He ever spoke to His Galilean Discipled-Apostles who kept His Commandments, and to those who hear Jesus' voice through their word John 17:20, John 14:15-17, Revelation 3:8-10.

Which answers the OP question.
Hi all, I would like to know your thoughts on who you believe God's ISRAEL is under the NEW COVENANT?

Because I used to think a lot of the things y'all think, before I started reading only Matthew and John. I've come to believe that there really are two gospels Galatians 2:7-9 and two different seeds Revelation 12:17. The tribes of the earth have been reconciled to God because they've had the seed of Abraham intermarrying with them. Their mixed-blood either hears the gospel of the gentiles or the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven, depending upon which parts of their mixed-blood nature is dominant... in my opinion.
 
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Which answers the OP question.
How does what you posted answer the OP? I could not get anything out of what you posted answering the OP. Can you let us know your thoughts as to how what you posted answers the OP?
 
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Deuteronomy 5:1-7 And Moses called all Israel, and said to them, Hear, Israel, the ordinances and judgments, all that I speak in your ears this day, and ye shall learn them, and observe to do them. 2 The Lord your God made a covenant with you in Choreb. ... 6 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 7 Thou shalt have no other gods before My face...
Ordinances = the 10 Commandments: Deuteronomy 5:6-21.
The 10 Commandments are nothing less than the legal document of the Old Covenant given by the Father to the Israelites... which Jesus confirms in the New Covenant: Matthew 22:37 Matthew 19:16-21, and strengthens point-by-point in Matthew 5:1--Matthew 7:29... and through every word He ever spoke to His Galilean Discipled-Apostles who kept His Commandments, and to those who hear Jesus' voice through their word John 17:20, John 14:15-17, Revelation 3:8-10.

Which answers the OP question.

How does what you posted answer the OP? I could not get anything out of what you posted answering the OP. Can you let us know your thoughts as to how what you posted answers the OP?

Israel under the New Covenant = Israel under the Old Covenant

And proselytes were made.

Genesis 17:9-14 And God said to Abraam, Thou also shalt fully keep My covenant, thou and thy seed after thee for their generations. 10 And this is the covenant which thou shalt fully keep between Me and you, and between thy seed after thee for their generations; every male of you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and you. 12 And the child of eight days old shall be circumcised by you, every male throughout your generations, and the servant born in the house and he that is bought with money, of every son of a stranger, who is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money shall be surely circumcised, and My covenant shall be on your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My covenant.

Pretty straight-forward, right?

Apparently Israel considered the USA their house... via circumcision of the stranger.
But to say Don't circumcize the gentiles... either you don't know about this everlasting covenant, or you kinda-sorta-secretly hate gentiles... male.
 
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