John's Gospel and the words "one essence with God the Father"

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The Lord assumed all of our humanity and became the last Adam. He had to take on our entire created identity to purify it of sin & in a supernatural way by His resurrection in that we have everlasting life ( 1 Corinthians 15:22, 1 Corinthians 15:45, within the context of 1 Corinthians 15:22-45, within the overall context of 1 Corinthians 15).
 
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okay then I am still little heretic :). I do not believe there is a human soul inside Jesus because this human sould would have its own existance... would be a pure human being.

if Christ doesn't possess our human nature as we do (to include a rational soul), then we aren't saved.
 
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. He had a body He controlled and appeared to us and showed us His prayers, emotions and temptations but this was only a "show" for us, for us to follow to see an example. God can not REALLY mix with human nature. F
The body of Jesus was not a mere receptacle for the Word. The incarnation of God the Word was just that, a true incarnation, not just possessing a random man at will. We know no other Lord other than the one Jesus Christ who was born as a baby, walked the earth, ate, was beheld, died and rose. We only know him in his person as the disciples beheld him. The way human nature is a duality of a human body and rational soul yet is one without confusion, the divinity and humanity in Christ is same. Cyril of Alexandria explains:

. .."These words and these decrees we ought to follow, considering what is meant by the Word of God being incarnate and made man. For we do not say that the nature of the Word was changed and became flesh, or that it was converted into a whole man consisting of soul and body; but rather that the Word having personally united to himself flesh animated by a rational soul, did in an ineffable and inconceivable manner become man, and was called the Son of Man, not merely as willing or being pleased to be so called, neither on account of taking to himself a person, but because the two natures being brought together in a true union, there is of both one Christ and one Son; for the difference of the natures is not taken away by the union, but rather the divinity and the humanity make perfect for us the one Lord Jesus Christ by their ineffable and inexpressible union.
 
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I am in front of a junction on my path. Should I leave orthodoxy, found my own fanatic religion and destroy all estalished christian churches or should I more focus on : blessed are those who are banned for the truth for to them belongs the heaven? :). But I guess orthodox will not bann me.... so I will never see heaven. Okay this was joking... When we all fly to God after death we will see who is right.
 
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I am in front of a junction on my path. Should I leave orthodoxy, found my own fanatic religion and destroy all estalished christian churches or should I more focus on : blessed are those who are banned for the truth for to them belongs the heaven? :). But I guess orthodox will not bann me.... so I will never see heaven. Okay this was joking... When we all fly to God after death we will see who is right.
This is not obedience.
 
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What do you mean by that? Why should one be obedient concerning his holy inner beliefs? Believing should always be sincerely. Or do you lie in confession?
1. You need to admit, along with the rest of us, that you are not capable of comprehending the vast majority of things pertaining to our creator.
2. Many people in the Church who far greater than you or me, in terms of both holiness and direct knowledge of God, have given their own blood in defending the teaching of the Church from false doctrine. That faith, handed down by the Apostles has been defended for nearly 2000 years.
3. In humility we need to hold fast to what the Church has taught, and put aside our pride that thinks we can know better. In short, be obedient to Christ through obedience to His body.
 
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Sure no problem. I am not the only one person having visions from God and I am not capable to understand church teaching about Jesus Nature, so I leave it as it is. I am not going to attack church...... so. Everything is alright.
 
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This Scripture here might help.
Colossians 1:15-20
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Amen! Also, in Colossians 2:9, we read - For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form. (NASB)

Colossians 2:9 - For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (NKJV)

Colossians 2:9 - For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God]. (Amplified Bible)
 
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"Jesus/Me one essence with God the Father"
The essence of a thing is that which makes it to be that thing, the essentials to their being what they are. The essence of GOD is the Godly attributes, the most important of which is that it is more accurate to say that there is ONE GOD in in a divine unity of three persons sharing the essential Godly attributes than it is to say there are three gods.
 
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The essence of a thing is that which makes it to be that thing, the essentials to their being what they are. The essence of GOD is the Godly attributes, the most important of which is that it is more accurate to say that there is ONE GOD in in a divine unity of three persons sharing the essential Godly attributes than it is to say there are three gods.
exactly. This is the point.
 
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I feel like I still have to correct some things. I do not want to lead anybody wrong or away from God's true church. I am absolutely in NO WAY going to attack church teaching. IF somebody would have the same logical problems like me it would be important not to forget that Jesus was on the cross. Also I was never ever meaning attack God's presence as Human being here on earth. God showed us what He wanted us to show. I was never attacking or questioning that. I was only logically playing around. So because for the christian message this question is far irrelevant I want to say again that I accept church teaching. People need to identify with what Jesus did for us and I am not questioning that either. I am accepting Church Teaching of the Trinity :) I hope this is clear now.
 
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Does not change personally I wished the church Councils would be repeated again and staying more logical :)
The council of Ephesus dealt with an influential bishop who taught there were Two seperate Christs'. A divine Christ and a human Christ. This divided the worship of the One Christ to his divinity and relegated the crucified Christ to status of an idol. It turned Jesus into a schizophrenic of personalities.
The council of Ephesus affirmed one only adoration of the Son of God. That there is not even a need to speak of dual natures after the union but just Jesus.
Prayers in the Alexandrian tradition dating back centuries referring to Mary as Theotokos are the conscience of the Church, that He, born of Mary, is ONE divine person constituting a hypostatic union of the two natures. He assummed humanity making it his very own, and was born as a perfectly functioning cohesive human individual.
Chalcedon dealt with a fanatical person that was persecuting nestorians and countered the nestorians division of Christ between divine and human actions by saying the divinity swallowed up the human nature so there is no duality of nature any longer.

Chalcedon clarified that the union did not cancel the other out, they came together in a real union without mixture, without confusion, and without division. The natures coexist in a perfect Symphonia in the one and same Christ.
Maximus the Confessor teaches The human will of the sinless Christ voluntarily submits to the divine will (aka: natural willing as opposed to gnomic willing) and the divine nature voluntarily allows that which is proper to (human) nature such as; thirst and hunger and pain and suffering.
 
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