Millie, current chairman of the Joint Chiefs, accused of undermining Trump's authority

Aldebaran · Sep 17, 2021

Yttrium said:
And he wouldn't.

Are you now saying he's a liar? That's what he'd be because he said he would.

Yttrium said:
Have you ever served in the military? I was active duty for fourteen years. It's not a democratic entity. But it's against the Uniform Code of Military Justice to blindly follow the orders of a superior. If you obey an illegal order, you are just as guilty as the person who ordered you. There was no "vote" here. Milley made a decision on his own. I believe it was a questionable decision, but an understandable one under the circumstances, and it's now up to his immediate superior (Biden) to decide whether or not it merits any kind of discipline.

Considering the fact that Millie was doing something in opposition to Trump, and considering that Millie has voiced support for "wokeness" in the military, I'm sure biden will see no reason for any type of discipline whatsoever. He'll probably even get a promotion.

Yttrium said:
Milley is as close as you're going to get to a Trump supporter on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He's just one of many Trump appointees who had to make a choice between loyalty to Trump or loyalty to the Constitution and the law. If he resigns, you can bet Biden will replace him with someone you won't like.

Knowing biden and what he's prioritized in his appointees, he'd pick someone based on their skin color/gender/sexual preference over their credentials. "Making history" has been more important than having the right people for the job. That's why we have the Afghanistan crisis (including 10 more dead innocents), and the border crisis.

Yttrium · Sep 17, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Are you now saying he's a liar? That's what he'd be because he said he would.

No, he didn't. Context is important in these things.

Valletta · Sep 17, 2021

Yttrium said:
And he wouldn't.

Have you ever served in the military? I was active duty for fourteen years. It's not a democratic entity. But it's against the Uniform Code of Military Justice to blindly follow the orders of a superior. If you obey an illegal order, you are just as guilty as the person who ordered you. There was no "vote" here. Milley made a decision on his own. I believe it was a questionable decision, but an understandable one under the circumstances, and it's now up to his immediate superior (Biden) to decide whether or not it merits any kind of discipline.

Milley is as close as you're going to get to a Trump supporter on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He's just one of many Trump appointees who had to make a choice between loyalty to Trump or loyalty to the Constitution and the law. If he resigns, you can bet Biden will replace him with someone you won't like.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is just an advisor, he cannot insert himself into the chain of command, telling military officers they are to report to him. That is usurping the power of the duly elected commander in chief--an act of treason. Milley is not in trouble for disputing an order of the president, Milley, again according to the events described by the Washington Post authors, took action that undermined the authority of the president. Finally, Joe is not a judge, Milley deserves due process and the right to an attorney.

TLK Valentine · Sep 17, 2021

Valletta said:
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is just an advisor, he cannot insert himself into the chain of command, telling military officers they are to report to him.

As a Four-Star General in the United States Army, he shouldn't have to tell military officers to report to him -- they should already know.

Yttrium · Sep 17, 2021

Valletta said:
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is just an advisor, he cannot insert himself into the chain of command, telling military officers they are to report to him.

Yeah, I'm not sure about that. It's questionable behavior, and it should be looked into.

That is usurping the power of the duly elected commander in chief--an act of treason.

Now that's going overboard.

Milley is not in trouble for disputing an order of the president, Milley, again according to the events described by the Washington Post authors, took action that undermined the authority of the president. Finally, Joe is not a judge, Milley deserves due process and the right to an attorney.

As a military officer, Milley is subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. No, he's not going to be charged with treason.

Pommer · Sep 17, 2021

Why is Milley’s name spelled incorrectly in the title?

TLK Valentine · Sep 17, 2021

Yttrium said:
As a military officer, Milley is subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. No, he's not going to be charged with treason.

If he's charged with anything, it'll be a great opportunity for President Biden to flex his Pardon muscles...

Pommer · Sep 17, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
If he's charged with anything, it'll be a great opportunity for President Biden to flex his Pardon muscles...

Preemptively?
Miley won’t go for it, (tactic admission of guilt).
Biden would be silly to try.

TLK Valentine · Sep 17, 2021

Pommer said:
Preemptively?
Miley won’t go for it, (tactic admission of guilt).
Biden would be silly to try.

Milley might go for it... he'd be acknowledging his act of Civil Disobedience -- a man owns his actions, after all.

Pommer · Sep 17, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
Milley might go for it... he'd be acknowledging his act of Civil Disobedience -- a man owns his actions, after all.

I dunno, he’s got two years on his hitch, he could ride things out…if he accepts the pardon he’d have to resign anyways.
If someone were to then subsequently point out that it may be taken as yet another Donald Trump appointee ultimately proved “untrustworthy “, that’d be “too far”. But understandable.

Aldebaran · Sep 17, 2021

Pommer said:
I dunno, he’s got two years on his hitch, he could ride things out…if he accepts the pardon he’d have to resign anyways.
If someone were to then subsequently point out that it may be taken as yet another Donald Trump appointee ultimately proved “untrustworthy “, that’d be “too far”. But understandable.

Whenever something can be blamed on Trump, it's an opportunity that is never wasted. biden even wasted no time in blaming Trump for biden's Afghanistan disaster. He'd blame Trump for Milley's actions as well.

RestoreTheJoy · Sep 18, 2021

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
Your link said , OH SNAP!
Looks like something went wrong

Shocking that it disappeared so quickly....

RestoreTheJoy · Sep 18, 2021

Tom 1 said:
You're aware that isn't what happened, right?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/14/peril-woodward-costa-trump-milley-china/

variant · Sep 18, 2021

Valletta said:
No, we are talking about Milley's actions to undermine a duly elected president of the United States. If you feel the president is acting improperly you can resign, that's what two of the FDA commissioners did when they felt the Biden administration was improperly pressuring them on the vaccine.

There is never going to be a situation where everyone in the chain of command will be willing to follow orders under all circumstances. The only issue here is that the General said so out loud.

Resigning so that you can be replaced by someone who is more willing to do what is wrong isn't a great option.

Aldebaran · Sep 18, 2021

variant said:
There is never going to be a situation where everyone in the chain of command will be willing to follow orders under all circumstances. The only issue here is that the General said so out loud.

Resigning so that you can be replaced by someone who is more willing to do what is wrong isn't a great option.

The reason he should resign is because he has shown that he's willing to help the enemy if he doesn't agree with his superiors. But since he's shown that to be an issue against Trump, I'm sure he has the full confidence of biden's handlers.

TLK Valentine · Sep 18, 2021

Valletta said:
It's more about the horrors our nation is now facing.

I wasn't aware that Milley was a horror.

TLK Valentine · Sep 18, 2021

Aldebaran said:
The reason he should resign is because he has shown that he's willing to help the enemy if he doesn't agree with his superiors. But since he's shown that to be an issue against Trump, I'm sure he has the full confidence of biden's handlers.

“General Li, I want to assure you that the American government is stable and everything is going to be okay,” Milley told him. “We are not going to attack or conduct any kinetic operations against you.”

Which part of this was the alleged disagreement?

Valletta · Sep 18, 2021

variant said:
There is never going to be a situation where everyone in the chain of command will be willing to follow orders under all circumstances. The only issue here is that the General said so out loud.

Resigning so that you can be replaced by someone who is more willing to do what is wrong isn't a great option.

False. First of all, Milley was not in the chain of command. He was an advisor to President Trump.
CNN quoted the book:
In response, Milley took extraordinary action, and called a secret meeting in his Pentagon office on January 8 to review the process for military action, including launching nuclear weapons. Speaking to senior military officials in charge of the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon's war room, Milley instructed them not to take orders from anyone unless he was involved.
"No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I'm part of that procedure," Milley told the officers, according to the book. He then went around the room, looked each officer in the eye, and asked them to verbally confirm they understood.
"Got it?" Milley asked, according to the book.
"Yes, sir."
'Milley considered it an oath,' the authors write.

full story at Woodward/Costa book: Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took secret action to protect nuclear weapons - CNNPolitics
Orders of the president are to be obeyed, whether advisor Milley is present or not. Milley inserted himself into the chain of command, he had no authority to do so.

variant · Sep 18, 2021

Aldebaran said:
The reason he should resign is because he has shown that he's willing to help the enemy if he doesn't agree with his superiors. But since he's shown that to be an issue against Trump, I'm sure he has the full confidence of biden's handlers.

The help consisted of assurances the US would not be striking first in an armed conflict, that would only have been a "betrayal" if Trump had been a psychopath.

The story here is that the man had serious enough misgivings to plan a coup, and that he is willing to say so out loud.

variant · Sep 18, 2021

Valletta said:
False. First of all, Milley was not in the chain of command. He was an advisor to President Trump.
CNN quoted the book:
In response, Milley took extraordinary action, and called a secret meeting in his Pentagon office on January 8 to review the process for military action, including launching nuclear weapons. Speaking to senior military officials in charge of the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon's war room, Milley instructed them not to take orders from anyone unless he was involved.
"No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I'm part of that procedure," Milley told the officers, according to the book. He then went around the room, looked each officer in the eye, and asked them to verbally confirm they understood.
"Got it?" Milley asked, according to the book.
"Yes, sir."
'Milley considered it an oath,' the authors write.

full story at Woodward/Costa book: Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took secret action to protect nuclear weapons - CNNPolitics
Orders of the president are to be obeyed, whether advisor Milley is present or not. Milley inserted himself into the chain of command, he had no authority to do so.

It's odd that you wouldn't have wanted someone to step in if nuclear weapons were to be launched over nothing.

Again. There will never be a military that will simply obey orders no matter what. What you are seeing is precisely how it actually works were the president to lose the confidence of those under him.

Milley is basically saying here that he had planned a coup if the President of the United States went off the deep end.

I say good.

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