What is CRT?

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Acknowledging and understanding privilege isn’t blaming white people. We all pretty much understand that privilege is not something that people choose, but a state that we are in, often by sheer fortune. As someone who has participated in and facilitated trainings developed in part from critical race theory, I can tell you that no blame is assigned to anyone. No one is teaching that white people today are to blame, or guilty for, acts committed by previous generations. That is a straw-man and reactive.
It's often a vast misunderstanding of what privilege is, because we think of privilege in the sense that it is somehow a guarantee of success rather than an advantage that is going to vary by various circumstances. A black person can be born into privilege and fall into poverty and a white person can be born into a situation that is significantly impoverished and become affluent.

The problem is assuming that if you take a black and white person in the same situation that modern America is such that they will both be treated the same irrespective of any kind of prejudices that still exist because of structural or cultural norms that aren't gone just because we create legal protections and restrictions to reduce marginalization of minority groups.

We still have an idealized notion about America, like it being called a land of opportunity and treated like a Mecca by immigrants means that black people born here should be "grateful" and not complain, which then plays into American exceptionalist rhetoric to boot, like we're so awesome and cannot be wrong, that criticizing America must mean you hate it (hasty generalization)
 
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We agree that racism is wrong. How does CRT deal with the reasons for and effects of issues within a society? It inserts race as a cause. Therefore it must be racist which is clear enough.

Actually, it inserts racism as the cause of what CRT.

The two things some CRT proponents get wrong:

1. Acceptance of the relatively novel theory that racism is dependent on and is the necessary result of social power.

2. That white people will perpetually control social power, because the racism they've embedded in the functions of social power will ensure that they also control them.

What CRT gets right is the proposal that the functions of power in a multi-ethnic society should be critically examined for aspects of bigotry (not merely just racism) embedded within them.
 
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I base it on what some professionals are doing with CRT. I mentioned Australia's education system in my response to your previous post. CRT has been added to the "white privilege" mantra. Australia is supposed to accept a collective guilt trip because of the way the country was colonised by European settlers. Yes, wicked things were done. What I won't accept is that I was responsible. I'm not racist. I was married to a part aborigine and my two kids identify as aborigine. It's irrelevant to me.

It would be irrelevant if the whole business of theorising about race relations was to say 'Pete is a racist' or 'white Australians are racist', or something like that, but it isn't. It's not about whether some individuals are racist, that's a misunderstanding. There are, after all, individuals of every different ethnicity who have racist ideas, and many more who don't, in all the different corners of the world.

What makes CRT relevant is that it's an attempt to quantify how practices rooted in racism have shaped modern societies, and what can be done about that. The US is perhaps a test case for ideas of this sort, which supersede the discrete legal actions taken to address inequality in an attempt to provide a more holistic understanding and more fundamental solutions.

In a general sense there's nothing unique about how the US, for example, was formed - humans have been migrating to new territories since there have been humans, and that has often involved conflict, mass killing, and enslavement. Out of that have come empires that have ultimately moved humanity forward. The difference is that we are now at a point in history where the impact of empire-building can be thoroughly investigated in relation to the societies we now live in. This is what CRT attempts to do - on the other side is the idea that things are great as they are, and there is no need for anyone to question whether they could be better.

The conflict over CRT and the ideas that surround it looks like this to me:

A CRT perspective - racist ideologies provided a useful means to economic gain through the use of people as farm machinery and for other tasks. Europeans settling in the Americas exploited this to the maximum, generating wealth through the enslavement of generations of people from Africa. After several hundred years, slavery was abolished in the US. This made little real difference to the lives of many former slaves for decades, and people whose ancestors had been forcibly brought to the Americas from Africa didn't have equal status with other ethnic groups until a few decades ago.

During the centuries that passed prior to this, a nation was being formed. The inequality in the treatment of people according to origin and ethnicity was an integral part of this - in politics, housing, economics, entertainment, in every area of life. It is as much a part of the fabric of the nation as anything else - to argue that everyone is equal flies in the face of the facts. People who have behind them generations who were free and equal citizens over centuries can hardly be said to have the same position in society of those whose ancestors were slaves for most of the history of the country. How would that be possible? Those differences are deeply entrenched, and the business of addressing this in society as a whole has barely begun. CRT attempts to quantify all of this and move forward to a point of genuine equality, whatever that might mean it is necessarily a long-term project; it took hundreds of years to get to where things are now, it can hardly be disentangled and corrected in a few decades.

From the other side of the argument, the appeals seem to me at least to be centered around partial revisions of history and a kind of see no evil, hear no evil denialism. In the US in particular there seems to be a lot of resistance to any kind of criticism of the standard model of the country's history. Like every great power since Babylon, the US has dreams and nightmares in its closet. I fail to see what is gained from pretending everything is just fine and the past is irrelevant. It just seems like a very immature way of thinking about life, which leads to the probability that unexamined mistakes will find a way of happening again, in one way or another - in the modern context this would probably mean escalating conflict between those groups who want to keep things as they are, to maintain what I see as a largely/partially illusory notion of national identity, and those who think the work of building that identity isn't finished yet. This is important because what happens in the US over the next few decades will have an impact on the rest of the Western world too.
 
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Are you just making stuff up here? Every time someone asks you to explain what you mean you respond like this.
Not too sure what to say about He Who Must Not Be Named. Albeit what makes Harry Potter popular for me is the whole good vs. evil and how it's being told. But people don't always get to see their hero's and villain's clearly. Mostly they're minister's of righteousness like Paul said in, 2 Corinthians 11:15.

You can disagree with a response, not going to hurt my feelings. It would be nice to know why. I understand if a person doesn't believe what they see in just one video Deuteronomy 17:6. There are more recorded events like this one available on modern media. It's not that hard to verify those kinds of sources. Albeit shenanigans happen on modern media too.
 
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What CRT gets right is the proposal that the functions of power in a multi-ethnic society should be critically examined for aspects of bigotry (not merely just racism) embedded within them.
Great idea, let's examine what aspect of bigotry that can be found in the Bible.

And he said to her, “Let the children be fed first, for it is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” Mark 7:27. Imagine that in a modern context. Jesus describing someone from a different nationality a dog to their face. Could make for an interesting topic.
 
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Great idea, let's examine what aspect of bigotry that can be found in the Bible.

And he said to her, “Let the children be fed first, for it is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” Mark 7:27. Imagine that in a modern context. Jesus describing someone from a different nationality a dog to their face. Could make for an interesting topic.

If you want to understand what is going on there, it's important to develop familiarity with the use of irony in the Bible. This is a good resource: https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Irony-Me...7K8PY5KB,0241978564,0342334115&srpt=ABIS_BOOK

Can you stick to the topic of the thread? Some of your tangents might be interesting, but if you want to discuss something other than the OP you can start your own thread.
 
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Not too sure what to say about He Who Must Not Be Named. Albeit what makes Harry Potter popular for me is the whole good vs. evil and how it's being told. But people don't always get to see their hero's and villain's clearly. Mostly they're minister's of righteousness like Paul said in, 2 Corinthians 11:15.

You can disagree with a response, not going to hurt my feelings. It would be nice to know why. I understand if a person doesn't believe what they see in just one video Deuteronomy 17:6. There are more recorded events like this one available on modern media. It's not that hard to verify those kinds of sources. Albeit shenanigans happen on modern media too.
Another non-sequester response. Maybe this wasn’t meant for me? I give up.
 
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Racism is one word with a generally accepted meaning.

CRT exists because of racism, but deals with the reasons for and effects of racism rather than racism itself.

Is that clear enough?

That is what I have understood CRT to be. So for example, housing policies set in the 1920s, known as redlining, where blacks could only live in certain neighborhoods, is no longer practiced. However, it still affects cities. Urban green space and parks are minimal in these areas. This has the unintended consequence of these areas retaining heat during the summer, making it physically harder for those with poor health.
 
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Some people assert that critical race theory is either the simple idea that whites are all racist, others that it cannot be understood. Neither of these ideas is true.

As there's a lot to it, I want to present different elements of CRT in different threads. In this thread the topics are the word racism, what it is taken to mean, and what CRT is actually intended to explain.

Googling the term leads to a lot of similar definitions, but here is one that I think is widely accepted:

Racism: 'the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another'

Point one: CRT is not about defining racism but rather an attempt to understand the effects of racism in different contexts.

In the book Critical Race Theory, An Introduction (Delgado, Stefancic, Harris), the authors make a comparison between the urban myth that the Inuit have 50+ words for snow and the difficulty of reducing CRT to the basic definition of racism most of us have. In English there is only one word - racism - that most people think of in relation to what CRT is about. If there were in fact an unlimited number of words that could be used to define each element of what CRT proposes to address, things would be simpler for those who write about it. But there are no such words, so understanding CRT requires a bit of lateral thinking.

CRT attempts to address (note it is a theory, despite claims to the contrary no-one in any of the literature claims that it is in its entirety the absolute truth and nothing but the truth) all of the historical and current affects of racism, the changing and various motivations behind racism, elements of socio-political and legal infrastructures and many other related aspects of modern society.

That's it for now, the first question is: Is this difficult to understand? Is it difficult to understand that CRT does not primarily deal with the concept of racism, as defined above, but with the multiplicity of its underlying causes and immediate and long term effects?

Nope, I don't think it's difficult to understand. So, I'm ready (.....been ready most of my life, really) to dispense with racism altogether.

Unfortunately, I seem to live in a world with other people in it who apparently "see" multiple races among fellow human beings where I just see one race----the Human Race.
 
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Great idea, let's examine what aspect of bigotry that can be found in the Bible.

And he said to her, “Let the children be fed first, for it is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” Mark 7:27. Imagine that in a modern context. Jesus describing someone from a different nationality a dog to their face. Could make for an interesting topic.

Not a matter for this topic, unless you want to talk about how such things have allowed racism to become embedded within modern American Christianity.
 
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Great idea, let's examine what aspect of bigotry that can be found in the Bible.

And he said to her, “Let the children be fed first, for it is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” Mark 7:27. Imagine that in a modern context. Jesus describing someone from a different nationality a dog to their face. Could make for an interesting topic.
It is odd so many Christians seem to want to sweep Jesus' casual anti gentilism under the rug
 
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Nope, I don't think it's difficult to understand. So, I'm ready (.....been ready most of my life, really) to dispense with racism altogether.

Unfortunately, I seem to live in a world with other people in it who apparently "see" multiple races among fellow human beings where I just see one race----the Human Race.
The two terms are not identical and you know that, stop being disingenuous with this notion that somehow seeing race is racist when the term human race is rooted in a more antiquated usage than even the biological race notion that has mostly died out versus the modern consideration of race as a social construct we use to describe people in one way (alongside things like ethnicity, gender, etc).

Dispensing with racism would be the equivalent of saying, "I don't see race/color," which is dismissing the problem that it poses in society and isn't going away anymore than prejudice as a psychological tendency we have as humans and learn to confront and avoid as much as possible
 
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Nope, I don't think it's difficult to understand. So, I'm ready (.....been ready most of my life, really) to dispense with racism altogether.

Unfortunately, I seem to live in a world with other people in it who apparently "see" multiple races among fellow human beings where I just see one race----the Human Race.

Sure, but you or someone else not being racist doesn't magically do away with all of the effects of policies and behaviours driven by racist ideology in the past, or centuries of negative racial stereotyping through various media. Some people grow up, live life and realise that the stereotypes they have absorbed through the goggle box aren't real, some people don't. Some people cling onto those ideas and pass them on to the next generation - people like that don't see themselves as racist, they just think they are seeing the world 'as it is' and are completely unaware of how their perceptions have been molded (I'm not talking about you or anyone else here btw, to be clear).

Problems created by racism in the past can't just be swept away with a change in attitude, either. The intro to this study https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w19843/w19843.pdf puts it well:

'The United States is often hailed as the “land of opportunity,” a society in which a child’s chances of success depend little on his family background. Is this reputation warranted? We show that this question does not have a clear answer because there is substantial variation in intergenerational mobility across areas within the U.S. The U.S. is better described as a collection of societies, some of which are “lands of opportunity” with high rates of mobility across generations, and others in which few children escape poverty.'

This isn't just about origin and ethnicity of course, but it is a major factor. Property owners like the Trumps were actively practicing racial segregation in housing within our lifetimes, and the nature of housing people have been shunted into in the past has a whole range of negative outcomes. There are parallels with class inequality in the UK - current lower life expectancies and higher incidences of a whole host of health problems in parts of urban Scotland have been linked to living conditions in tenement housing two or three generations ago, for example, and this and plenty of other examples of herding people into bad housing make it clear that the long term effects on their physiological and psychological health are drastic, leading to life expectancies shortened by a decade or more and much higher probabilities of bad health throughout life. This in turn leads to the kind of 'why do they live like that?' stereotyping, and the whole mess becomes more and more entrenched.

These are the kinds of things CRT theorists attempt to disentangle and address. There seems to be a lot of resistance to these basic realities over there because people cling onto illusions of the ‘self-made man’ variety, that the poor and just lazy and so on. The kind of thinking exemplified by someone like Tucker Carlson, who appears to genuinely believe that the past has nothing to do with the present.
 
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It would be irrelevant if the whole business of theorising about race relations was to say 'Pete is a racist' or 'white Australians are racist', or something like that, but it isn't. It's not about whether some individuals are racist, that's a misunderstanding. There are, after all, individuals of every different ethnicity who have racist ideas, and many more who don't, in all the different corners of the world.

What makes CRT relevant is that it's an attempt to quantify how practices rooted in racism have shaped modern societies, and what can be done about that. The US is perhaps a test case for ideas of this sort, which supersede the discrete legal actions taken to address inequality in an attempt to provide a more holistic understanding and more fundamental solutions.

In a general sense there's nothing unique about how the US, for example, was formed - humans have been migrating to new territories since there have been humans, and that has often involved conflict, mass killing, and enslavement. Out of that have come empires that have ultimately moved humanity forward. The difference is that we are now at a point in history where the impact of empire-building can be thoroughly investigated in relation to the societies we now live in. This is what CRT attempts to do - on the other side is the idea that things are great as they are, and there is no need for anyone to question whether they could be better.

The conflict over CRT and the ideas that surround it looks like this to me:

A CRT perspective - racist ideologies provided a useful means to economic gain through the use of people as farm machinery and for other tasks. Europeans settling in the Americas exploited this to the maximum, generating wealth through the enslavement of generations of people from Africa. After several hundred years, slavery was abolished in the US. This made little real difference to the lives of many former slaves for decades, and people whose ancestors had been forcibly brought to the Americas from Africa didn't have equal status with other ethnic groups until a few decades ago.

During the centuries that passed prior to this, a nation was being formed. The inequality in the treatment of people according to origin and ethnicity was an integral part of this - in politics, housing, economics, entertainment, in every area of life. It is as much a part of the fabric of the nation as anything else - to argue that everyone is equal flies in the face of the facts. People who have behind them generations who were free and equal citizens over centuries can hardly be said to have the same position in society of those whose ancestors were slaves for most of the history of the country. How would that be possible? Those differences are deeply entrenched, and the business of addressing this in society as a whole has barely begun. CRT attempts to quantify all of this and move forward to a point of genuine equality, whatever that might mean it is necessarily a long-term project; it took hundreds of years to get to where things are now, it can hardly be disentangled and corrected in a few decades.

From the other side of the argument, the appeals seem to me at least to be centered around partial revisions of history and a kind of see no evil, hear no evil denialism. In the US in particular there seems to be a lot of resistance to any kind of criticism of the standard model of the country's history. Like every great power since Babylon, the US has dreams and nightmares in its closet. I fail to see what is gained from pretending everything is just fine and the past is irrelevant. It just seems like a very immature way of thinking about life, which leads to the probability that unexamined mistakes will find a way of happening again, in one way or another - in the modern context this would probably mean escalating conflict between those groups who want to keep things as they are, to maintain what I see as a largely/partially illusory notion of national identity, and those who think the work of building that identity isn't finished yet. This is important because what happens in the US over the next few decades will have an impact on the rest of the Western world too.
What's in a name? Everything. "Critical Race Theory" is guaranteed to be misunderstood, willfully or in ignorance.

What people like me see happening in the US is pretty tragic. I see a nation divided and getting worse. I see the police being demonised and the few bad apples being presented as the norm. I see young people being indoctrinated into left wing and undemocratic group think that leaves no room for agreeable disagreement.

When a non leftist speaker needs a police escort to get to the podium, there is something sick about society. CRT will do nothing to help. Amazon has banned advertising of a book that traces BLM's Marxist roots. Never mind that it's public knowledge that the founder is an avowed Marxist.

I can't solve any nations ills. I like America and the people. I'm no expert; I've visited twice. Once was for work in 1994. I went to Ohio and North Carolina. My only concern was the possibility of a tornado as the place I was visiting was once hit. I felt entirely safe and the people I met were great.

I went again in 2016, spending a few days in LA and 5 days at the Grand Canyon. I'd go back in a heartbeat. I hate seeing the decline of a nation that still leads the world as far as democracy and freedom is concerned. I wonder how long before those freedoms are suppressed and democracy becomes a joke.
 
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Sure, but you or someone else not being racist doesn't magically do away with all of the effects of policies and behaviours driven by racist ideology in the past, or centuries of negative racial stereotyping through various media. Some people grow up, live life and realise that the stereotypes they have absorbed through the goggle box aren't real, some people don't. Some people cling onto those ideas and pass them on to the next generation - people like that don't see themselves as racist, they just think they are seeing the world 'as it is' and are completely unaware of how their perceptions have been molded (I'm not talking about you or anyone else here btw, to be clear).

Problems created by racism in the past can't just be swept away with a change in attitude, either. The intro to this study https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w19843/w19843.pdf puts it well:

'The United States is often hailed as the “land of opportunity,” a society in which a child’s chances of success depend little on his family background. Is this reputation warranted? We show that this question does not have a clear answer because there is substantial variation in intergenerational mobility across areas within the U.S. The U.S. is better described as a collection of societies, some of which are “lands of opportunity” with high rates of mobility across generations, and others in which few children escape poverty.'

This isn't just about origin and ethnicity of course, but it is a major factor. Property owners like the Trumps were actively practicing racial segregation in housing within our lifetimes, and the nature of housing people have been shunted into in the past has a whole range of negative outcomes. There are parallels with class inequality in the UK - current lower life expectancies and higher incidences of a whole host of health problems in parts of urban Scotland have been linked to living conditions in tenement housing two or three generations ago, for example, and this and plenty of other examples of herding people into bad housing make it clear that the long term effects on their physiological and psychological health are drastic, leading to life expectancies shortened by a decade or more and much higher probabilities of bad health throughout life. This in turn leads to the kind of 'why do they live like that?' stereotyping, and the whole mess becomes more and more entrenched.

These are the kinds of things CRT theorists attempt to disentangle and address. There seems to be a lot of resistance to these basic realities over there because people cling onto illusions of the ‘self-made man’ variety, that the poor and just lazy and so on. The kind of thinking exemplified by someone like Tucker Carlson, who appears to genuinely believe that the past has nothing to do with the present.

Yeah, I get it. I spent five years studying this for my Social Science Education Master's.

However, despite all of the political and ideological rigmarole and the hefty dose of secular diversity, socialism and even communistic/Marxist theory that I was plied with (along with Critical Race Theory), I chose to push the Christian Note (and the biological note) on "race" anyway....to the world's forthcoming chagrin....whether they will ultimately like it or not.... or accept it or not....

But, I agree with your comments, generally speaking, Tom. :cool:
 
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The two terms are not identical and you know that, stop being disingenuous with this notion that somehow seeing race is racist when the term human race is rooted in a more antiquated usage than even the biological race notion that has mostly died out versus the modern consideration of race as a social construct we use to describe people in one way (alongside things like ethnicity, gender, etc).

Dispensing with racism would be the equivalent of saying, "I don't see race/color," which is dismissing the problem that it poses in society and isn't going away anymore than prejudice as a psychological tendency we have as humans and learn to confront and avoid as much as possible

Oh yes. The "you're being disingenous" counter-claim ...

... always oh so effective!

The point is: there...are...only...human beings...on this planet. And they're all biologically related in time.

You know this.
 
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Yeah, I get it. I spent five years studying this for my Social Science Education Master's.

However, despite the all of the political and ideological rigmarole, and the hefty dose of secular diversity, socialism and even communistic/Marxist theory that I was plied with (along with Critical Race Theory), I chose to push the Christian Note (and the biological note) on "race" anyway....to the world's forthcoming chagrin....whether they will ultimiately like it or not.... or accept it or not....

But, I agree with your comments, generally speaking, Tom. :cool:

Sure, I mean the only place I really experienced a total absence of any sense of tension between different ethnic groups, within a large group, was in a church. I went to a church for years in London that was pretty big and had people from every place you could imagine, or so it seemed, and the idea of ethnic difference in that context just kind of disappeared. A close second though was rural Cuba. There was clearly some racial tension in Havana, between mestizos and people with darker skin, but out in the countryside that was entirely absent. It was the first time I really understood that in London, and maybe in most big cities, there is an underlying tension between different ethnic groups that never really goes away.

That said, society is much bigger and more complex than any one church. Proponents of CRT seem to be trying to find a way forward that can work for everyone, and not just the cultural majority, or whatever you might call the dominant group. Sure it's not perfect, but nobody says it is.

This thread though is more about addressing the basic misconceptions people have about it, not whether it is right or not.
 
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What's in a name? Everything. "Critical Race Theory" is guaranteed to be misunderstood, willfully or in ignorance.

What people like me see happening in the US is pretty tragic. I see a nation divided and getting worse. I see the police being demonised and the few bad apples being presented as the norm. I see young people being indoctrinated into left wing and undemocratic group think that leaves no room for agreeable disagreement.

When a non leftist speaker needs a police escort to get to the podium, there is something sick about society. CRT will do nothing to help. Amazon has banned advertising of a book that traces BLM's Marxist roots. Never mind that it's public knowledge that the founder is an avowed Marxist.

I can't solve any nations ills. I like America and the people. I'm no expert; I've visited twice. Once was for work in 1994. I went to Ohio and North Carolina. My only concern was the possibility of a tornado as the place I was visiting was once hit. I felt entirely safe and the people I met were great.

I went again in 2016, spending a few days in LA and 5 days at the Grand Canyon. I'd go back in a heartbeat. I hate seeing the decline of a nation that still leads the world as far as democracy and freedom is concerned. I wonder how long before those freedoms are suppressed and democracy becomes a joke.

Sure it can be misunderstood, like the bible, or Ikea instructions. That's why discussing it is useful, I think.

Cancel culture is pretty annoying, but declarations of the decline of civilization are a bit premature. Personally, I think that confronting inequality directly and thoroughly is more likely to improve society than trying to keep it all stuffed under the carpet.
 
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Sure, I mean the only place I really experienced an absence of any sense of tension between very different ethnic groups, within a large group, was in a church. I went to a church for years in London that was pretty big and had people from every place you could imagine, or so it seemed, and the idea of ethnic difference in that context just kind of disappeared. A close second though was rural Cuba. There was clearly some racial tension in Havana, between mestizos and people with darker skin, but out in the countryside that was entirely absent. It was the first time I really understood that in London, and maybe in most big cities, there is an underlying tension between different ethnic groups that never really goes away.

That said, society is much bigger and more complex than any one church. Proponents of CRT seem to be trying to find a way forward that can work for everyone, and not just the cultural majority, or whatever you might call the dominant group. Sure it's not perfect, but nobody says it is.

This thread though is more about addressing the basic misconceptions people have about it, not whether it is right or not.

It sounds like you've had a few more positive experiences at church in the context of ethnic relations than I have. At most of the churches in which I've either frequented or officially joined, one would be hard pressed to find very many individuals there, let alone entire families, that are other than the typical Caucasian ones already sitting in the pews. Here, CRT is typically snorted at, even if not directly, by insinuation, and when I hear a rejection of sociological accountability among my fellow Christians, I have to role my eyes.

And you're right, society is [fortunately] much bigger and more complex than any one church. But just try telling that to some traditional, even still stodgy folks who darken the halls of the local church. If I were to suggest to them that we 'expand' our Christian conceptions and read some James H. Cone rather than the usual tracts, I'd invite a blank stare.
 
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It sounds like you've had a few more positive experiences at church in the context of ethnic relations than I have. At most of the churches in which I've either frequented or officially joined, one would be hard pressed to find very many individuals there, let alone entire families, that are other than the typical Caucasian ones already sitting in the pews. Here, CRT is typically snorted at, even if not directly, by insinuation, and when I hear a rejection of sociological accountability among my fellow Christians, I have to role my eyes.

And you're right, society is [fortunately] much bigger and more complex than any one church. But just try telling that to some traditional, even still stodgy folks who darken the halls of the local church. If I were to suggest to them that we 'expand' our Christian conceptions and read some James H. Cone rather than the usual tracts, I'd invite a blank stare.

Makes it sound like you are trying to wade through putty. There must be something better around.
 
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