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It’s not hard to understand that six days means 6 days or that this particular person lived x amount of years.
We can get to that in a second. First let us establish if you consider yourself fallible because I have met Christians who claim it is not possible for them to be wrong. Is it possible for you to be wrong in your understanding?
 
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This is a very obtuse approach which is not surprising but Jesus wasn’t sent here to create computers. If man had existed for 294,000 years then I expect that computers would’ve been invented when Jesus came just 2,021 years ago. It’s not surprising that it took almost 6,000 years to invent computers since they require a lot more advanced technologies than a round wooden object that any person can create in a single day. Your comparing the difference between learning how to roll something to how to harness electricity and create advanced circuitry. People can easily see how to roll an object in a natural environment. Drop any round object on a hill and notice what happens. It’s the simplest form of observational science. Drop a rock or a log on a hill compared to how a computer works which is next to unfathomable for even the most educated people of today. Sure most educated people today know how to use them but they have no clue how they work or how to make them despite seeing them inside and out for decades. Do you know anyone who doesn’t know how to make a wheel from scratch? Do you know anyone who does know how to make a computer from scratch?
It's worth considering that maybe wheels seem obvious to you because they're so familiar - you've probably seen them your whole life. Rolling logs were used to transport heavy items for thousands of years before wheels appeared because wheels were a major technological and imaginative leap.

For wheels to be more practical than logs, you need several novel inventions working together - wheels, axles, and rotary bearings (probably the most difficult idea - they don't exist in nature). Each is useless without the others. It's possible to imagine how each idea was derived, but to put them together to make 'a better log' was something special.
 
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Good science is done without regard to one's religious beliefs (or lack thereof). In other words, a Christian scientist shouldn't be biased in wanting their results to show evidence for God, and an atheist scientist shouldn't be biased in wanting their results to show evidence against God.
 
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Wrong!

With C-14, the radiodates can be compared with tree ring dates, and this allows researchers to calibrate for the different amounts of C-14 in the atmosphere at points in time in the past.

It is not assumed constant.

I just realized another flaw in your explanation. So how can dendrochronology provide us with an accurate amount of C14 in the atmosphere 50,000 years ago if the longest tree recording is only 12,000 rings?
 
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We can get to that in a second. First let us establish if you consider yourself fallible because I have met Christians who claim it is not possible for them to be wrong. Is it possible for you to be wrong in your understanding?

I did give an agree rating.
 
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It's worth considering that maybe wheels seem obvious to you because they're so familiar - you've probably seen them your whole life. Rolling logs were used to transport heavy items for thousands of years before wheels appeared because wheels were a major technological and imaginative leap.

For wheels to be more practical than logs, you need several novel inventions working together - wheels, axles, and rotary bearings (probably the most difficult idea - they don't exist in nature). Each is useless without the others. It's possible to imagine how each idea was derived, but to put them together to make 'a better log' was something special.

I agree whelks and axles are necessary but not bearings. Carts used wheels for thousands of years without bearings.
 
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So how can dendrochronology provide us with an accurate amount of C14 in the atmosphere 50,000 years ago if the longest tree recording is only 12,000 rings?

Sure, not 50,000. But it gives a good sense of the variation, allowing us to put error bars on deep measurements. (In part because we don't assume the level is constant.)
 
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The problem with both of these dating methods is that it’s assumed that the object has acquired a constant amount of radiation or C14. With TL they have to assume that the radiation was constant and consistent with the levels the object is receiving today in order to determine the annual rate of exposure. If the levels have changed they have no way of knowing it and it radically affects the dating formula. The same exact problem has been happening with carbon dating except in the case of carbon dating we already know for a fact that the C14 levels have been changing since C14 has been increasing in our atmosphere since they first discovered it. It’s been predicted that C14 levels should’ve reached a climax roughly 30,000 after the earth was formed and yet the levels are still increasing which either means their calculations were wrong or the earth is less than 30,000 years old. Either way they’re wrong.
Perhaps you should stick to faith based arguments instead demonstrating an ignorance about the science.
It's amazing how two wrong methods should produce results which correlate.
In the spirit of this thread lets call it miraculous.
The miracle is extended even further when the classical method of dating pottery correlates with later thermoluminescence dating.

An early method of dating whether it be of a Stone Age site or a dynastic period of ancient Egyptian civilization was through pottery.
It was found that pottery style, raw materials and manufacturing process relate to the period when the pottery was manufactured.
Even a shard of pottery can be sufficient to date it.
The manufacturing process involves firing which makes pottery an ideal candidate for thermoluminescence dating as shown in this video.

The earliest examples of thermoluminescence dated pottery goes back nearly 30000 years.

Since you question the dating methods explain how you can definitively state the wheel was invented around 3500 BC.
 
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I did give an agree rating.

Fair, just want to be certain. So back to your original point.

It’s not hard to understand that six days means 6 days or that this particular person lived x amount of years.

People who believe the bible speaks of a flat earth claim that it is clear that what was meant. Every Christian believes the bible clearly states what they believe to be the correct interpretation, yes?
 
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Tree rings don’t grow according to each year they grow according to weather conditions. So we have to assume the weather has been constant if we are to assume these rings to be accurate. So all this boils down to is unreliable evidence based on assumptions we can’t confirm, not proof.

Dating methods are cross-correlated via multiple methods not just dendrochronology.

For example, here is a correlation between multiple methods including both non-radiometric (varve counts and dendrochronology) and radiometric (C-14 dating). If the years were off as much as YECs need them to be, this correlation shouldn't exist.

tree-rings-varves-c14-chronology.gif


Lake Suigetsu and the 60,000 Year Varve Chronology
 
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The axles didn’t rotate they just protruded through the center of the wheel. The wheel spun on the axle.
Ah, that's a bearing...

"The simplest example of a plain bearing is a shaft rotating in a hole."
 
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Since all the groundbreaking, paradigm creating scientists were god-believing creationists, including Francis Bacon, the father of the modern scientific method - who thus gave us modern science- I’d say there are tons of examples of the OP occurring.

You have those such as the founders of macro physics (Newton) and quantum physics, astronomers, genetics (Mendel)...

Those like Nicolas Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Galileo, Descartes, Pascal, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, William Thompson Kelvin, Max Plank, and even Albert Einstein - who were either Christians or believed in a deist God as the architect and creator of the Universe.

Why do these lists of scientists who were Christians never mention Giordano Bruno (1548-1600), who was a Dominican priest and possessed a Ph.D. in theology? He also believed that the universe was infinite, that the stars were other suns, and that they possessed inhabited planets.

Another example is Michael Servetus (1511-1553), who discovered the pulmonary circulation of the blood and was a prolific writer on theology. Why is he not on this list?
 
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Only if your assuming that the Aborigines have existed for 300,000 years.
Where did you get this fanciful number from?
At least get your facts straight, human occupation of the Australian continent began around 60,000 years ago.
Even this number is under threat with the latest but contestable evidence of occupation being at least 120,000 years.
Humans might have lived at this coastal site 120,000 years ago — the trick lies in proving it
If true the consequences are profound as humans had developed the technology of watercraft to reach Australia from such a remote period.
 
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Why do these lists of scientists who were Christians never mention Giordano Bruno (1548-1600), who was a Dominican priest and possessed a Ph.D. in theology? He also believed that the universe was infinite, that the stars were other suns, and that they possessed inhabited planets.

Another example is Michael Servetus (1511-1553), who discovered the pulmonary circulation of the blood and was a prolific writer on theology. Why is he not on this list?
This is only scratching the surface.
List of Catholic clergy scientists - Wikipedia Republished // WIKI 2

The Jesuits not only being independent thinkers in science but politically as well were expelled from various nations which perhaps has reduced the recognition of their accomplishments and seen more as troublemakers.
Suppression of the Society of Jesus - Wikipedia

I knew of a Jesuit physicist whose greatest accomplishment I think was to convince the Vatican of converting a 13th century church in Ancona into a shelter for battered women.
 
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Post and runner, back at it.

If you can't discuss or support your claims, better not to make them.


What claims need to be "supported".

You realize this thread is not an attempt to prove God.

Its to share content. In the hope that people might be exposed to new ideas and perspectives and become better educated. New ideas (that are good, unlike most new ideas today) are the foundation of progress.

Documentaries as shared in OP can be valuable due to the creationist perspective being extremely underrepresented in schools, in science and by the media.

For real though, which claims need to be "supported".
 
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In the hope that people might be exposed to new ideas and perspectives and become better educated.

Out of curiosity, have you ever perused scientific materials not published by creationists? Ever taken a course on biology, evolution, etc?
 
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Out of curiosity, have you ever perused scientific materials not published by creationists? Ever taken a course on biology, evolution, etc?


Of course, everyone has had evolutionary theory crammed down their throats as much as schools, science and the media have been able to support that movement. While creationism is completely ignored and sits on the sidelines.

You would not want to know my unflattering views on science relating to evolution. Let's just leave it at that.
 
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While creationism is completely ignored and sits on the sidelines.

Creationism isn't science; it is religion. As such it not only doesn't belong in a science class, but not in any public school at all. Teach it in your church all you want.
 
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