20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

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Why is that? Paul taught that when Jesus returns we will be gathered to Him "in the air" (1 Thess 4:14-17) which is not on the earth. Is 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 in your Bible?
There are more verses in God's Word than that one particular set.
 
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But it's not ON the earth. That's the point. Tell me why we would meet Jesus "in the air" if He's just going to take us down to the earth's surface right after that? Why wouldn't we just meet Him on the earth instead?
I proved that Jesus Returns to the earth. Zechariah 14:3
I'll tell you why I think we will be meeting Him "in the air". Because fire will be coming down on the entire earth surface. It makes sense that we shouldn't be left here on earth when that happens.
The fire Judgment will happen years before the Return. At the Sixth Seal; Lord's Day of wrath by fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis.
The final fiery end of this earth, does not happen until after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1
Please don't waste my time with giving scripture references without explaining how exactly you think those scriptures support your view. I'm not going to waste my time guessing as to how you think those scriptures support your view. Are you too lazy to quote them and highlight the parts that you think support your view or what? Why do you think it's enough to just reference them as if I'm going to know how you interpret them?
It is you that's lazy. Just click on the reference and you can read the plainly stated scripture. What I believe.
It looks like you are afraid to read them, in case they show how wrong you are.
 
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Are you saying that you think at the time Peter wrote 1st Peter that Israel had not formerly been the people of God but now (at that time) they were? Because that is what he is saying in 1 Peter 2:9. He told the ones he is addressing in 1st Peter that they had not been the people of God before but now (at that time) they were. How can that apply to the people of the nation of Israel? It can't. Clearly, they had been the people of God before that, so Peter can't be talking about them there. Why can't you acknowledge that?

Jews refer to all other Jews, whether believers or not, as brethren.

Recalled what Jesus said in Matthew

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Peter is urging the Jewish brothers, who are still rejecting Jesus as their Messiah, to repent and be water baptized, so that they can join the little flock.

It is in line with his appeal in Acts 3

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
 
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Please don't waste my time with giving scripture references without explaining how exactly you think those scriptures support your view. I'm not going to waste my time guessing as to how you think those scriptures support your view. Are you too lazy to quote them and highlight the parts that you think support your view or what? Why do you think it's enough to just reference them as if I'm going to know how you interpret them?
I like highlighting (both color and underline) because it is a good communication technique.

It can be overdone, with too much color, bolding, underlining, multiple colors, text size.

Less is better, imo, in most cases with simple color highlighting. I personally like blue.

Sometimes it becomes necessary to break a verse into parts. Such as Revelation 17:8 as 17:8a and 17:8b. And Matthew 24:30 as 24:30a, 24:30b, 24:30c.
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And no we should not be expected to read each others minds.
 
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And no we should not be expected to read each others minds.
It seems to me that some people prefer to not read scriptural references, because they know its possible they will contradict their beliefs.
 
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It seems to me that some people prefer to not read scriptural references, because they know its possible they will contradict their beliefs.
That too.

Ezekiel 39:21-29, Jesus Himself speaking the text.
 
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Jews refer to all other Jews, whether believers or not, as brethren.

Recalled what Jesus said in Matthew

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Peter is urging the Jewish brothers, who are still rejecting Jesus as their Messiah, to repent and be water baptized, so that they can join the little flock.

It is in line with his appeal in Acts 3

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Not so! This does not in any way support what you are claiming. This is talking about natural heritage (which means nothing spiritually), not spiritual brethren. Jesus laid out the truth on this subject in Matthew 12:49-50: "And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."

Brethren refers exclusively to the redeemed.

This is the danger of ethnic racial Zionism that many promote. It makes children of the devil, children of God.
 
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It seems to me that some people prefer to not read scriptural references, because they know its possible they will contradict their beliefs.
You just don't get it. Reading the scripture references isn't the problem. That isn't a problem for anyone here. We all read a lot of scripture and I don't think anyone here minds doing that. Having to guess how you interpret the referenced scriptures is the problem because you don't tell us how you interpret them.

It doesn't give the impression that you're very confident that the scriptures actually support your view when you don't quote any of them and don't give any explanation for how exactly you think they support your view.

Imagine me making an argument like the following:

All unbelievers will be killed when Christ returns. Matthew 24:37-39, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:6, 2 Peter 3:3-13, Revelation 19:11-21.

Can you see how ridiculous that is? All I did there was make a claim about something and then just listed a bunch of scripture passages. How does that convince anyone of anything? How does anyone know how I interpret those verses and why I think they support my view (unless they've seen me comment on them before)?

I'm not saying you have to quote every verse you reference or do that every time, but give us something to go on. You think all you ever have to do is throw a bunch of scripture references at us and then you've somehow proven something.
 
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Jews refer to all other Jews, whether believers or not, as brethren.

Recalled what Jesus said in Matthew

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Peter is urging the Jewish brothers, who are still rejecting Jesus as their Messiah, to repent and be water baptized, so that they can join the little flock.

It is in line with his appeal in Acts 3

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Was this supposed to be a convincing argument? Far from it. He was talking to people who had not collectively been the people of God before. That cannot be talking about Jews! He had to be talking about Gentile believers (along with Jewish believers) being the people of God corporately which had not been the case before just as Paul wrote about in Ephesians 2:11-22.
 
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He is not telling them their sins will be forgiven immediately when they believe.
He wasn't? How do you figure? This is what he had said to them earlier:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Here, Peter told them of their need to repent and believe in Jesus Christ in order to receive "the remission of sins" and many of them did. It says about 3000 people were saved at that time. Is it possible to be saved but not have your sins be forgiven? No. So, it's quite sad that you don't even know how salvation and the forgiveness of sins occurs.
 
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I'm not saying you have to quote every verse you reference or do that every time, but give us something to go on. You think all you ever have to do is throw a bunch of scripture references at us and then you've somehow proven something.
I repeat my post #5315:
I am neither AMill or Pre-mil. Just a believer in what the Bible actually says.
There WILL be a Millennium reign of King Jesus, after He physically Returns, as Revelation 20 states 6 times. Psalms 2:8, Psalms 110:2, confirm it.

And Psalms 46:8-11, Psalms 47:1-9, Psalms 48:1-14, Isaiah 4:5-6, Isaiah 11:1-9, Isaiah 65:18-25, Micah 4:1-8, Micah 5:2-5, Zechariah 9:10; +, describe the future time of His peaceful and prosperous reign.

These verses describe the future Millennium.
The AMill theory is wrong and is a false teaching.
 
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I repeat my post #5315:
I am neither AMill or Pre-mil. Just a believer in what the Bible actually says.
There WILL be a Millennium reign of King Jesus, after He physically Returns, as Revelation 20 states 6 times. Psalms 2:8, Psalms 110:2, confirm it.
Where is that said in Psalm 2:8? You can't be taken seriously unless you actually quote some of the text and indicate how it supports your view. Tell me exactly how the following says anything about Jesus ruling for a thousand years on the earth:

Psalm 2:8 Ask me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron; you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

Explain how Him dashing them to pieces like pottery is describing Him ruling over them for a long time rather than destroying them?

And Psalms 46:8-11, Psalms 47:1-9, Psalms 48:1-14, Isaiah 4:5-6, Isaiah 11:1-9, Isaiah 65:18-25, Micah 4:1-8, Micah 5:2-5, Zechariah 9:10; +, describe the future time of His peaceful and prosperous reign.

These verses describe the future Millennium.
How so? I don't see that at all in those verses. Isaiah 65:18-25, for example, is about the new heavens and new earth, so that can't be referring to a temporal earthly kingdom.

Is it too much trouble for you to show how you think those verses support your claim? You can't be taken seriously by just listing a bunch of verses and making claims about them while doing nothing to show how those verses support your claim. It's pointless and isn't going to convince anyone to agree with you.

The AMill theory is wrong and is a false teaching.
That's very easy for you to say, but you have done nothing to prove that.
 
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That's very easy for you to say, but you have done nothing to prove that.
The Bible says that Jesus will Return and then He will rule over the world for a thousand years.
You say we are in that time now and the thousand years isn't literal.

I believe the Bible's plain and literal statement.
You say the Bible is symbolic about the thousand years. [and much else]

I have proved the literal thousand years, by the fact of the exact time periods from Adam until now; almost at the 6000 year point.
You have done nothing to prove that we are now in the Millennium.

As 2 Peter 3:4b says:.....everything goes on just as it has since the world began.
 
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The Bible says that Jesus will Return and then He will rule over the world for a thousand years.

What did Jesus say about his coming and where did he say he would rule for 1000 years in the Gospels.??
Jesus teaching alludes to something totally different than your teaching.
 
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What did Jesus say about his coming and where did he say he would rule for 1000 years in the Gospels.??
Jesus teaching alludes to something totally different than your teaching.
Luke 13:32 ....Listen: today and the next day I will be driving out demons and working cures, on the third day I will achieve My goal.
Luke 13:33 However, I must go on My way today, tomorrow and the next day, because it is necessary for Me to meet My death in Jerusalem.

Verse 33, is a prophecy for the near future and did happen as Jesus said.

Verse 32 is a prophecy for the distant future and the 'days' there are 1000 year periods. As per Psalms 90:4 & 2 Peter 3:8
Jesus 'goal'; His reward, is to reign as King of the earth for 1000 years.
Psalms 2:8, Psalms 47:8-9, Zechariah 14:16-21, Revelation 20:1-10
This truth is confirmed by the fact of the 2 'days' = 2000 years, having nearly passed and the future 1000 years of Jesus reward, to follow after His Return. Hosea 6:2 is the OT reference.

Jesus HAS continued to work during this Christian era. I have a book full of instances where people have fervently prayed and He has appeared to them and has done many miraculous healings.

You and others may object to this teaching, but do you have another valid explanation for these two Bible verses? Which are plainly NOT parallel.
 
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Luke 13:32 ....Listen: today and the next day I will be driving out demons and working cures, on the third day I will achieve My goal.
Luke 13:33 However, I must go on My way today, tomorrow and the next day, because it is necessary for Me to meet My death in Jerusalem.

Verse 33, is a prophecy for the near future and did happen as Jesus said.

Verse 32 is a prophecy for the distant future and the 'days' there are 1000 year periods. As per Psalms 90:4 & 2 Peter 3:8

Clearly the third day is the day he rose from the dead in v 32...as v33 makes clear.
 
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Clearly the third day is the day he rose from the dead in v 32...as v33 makes clear.
What is clear is that Jesus made two prophesies, they are not a Hebrew parallelism. They do not match.
The last word in Luke 13:32, is G5047 telelotes, The state of completeness, or perfection.
Jesus will Return and take up the Kingdom, the completeness of His Mission.

In V 33, at the third day, He is Crucified. Read the Words; it was another 3 days before He rose from the dead.

But if it doesn't suit you for Jesus to reign on earth for a thousand years, then just keep on in your totally unrealistic belief of AMill.
 
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He wasn't? How do you figure? This is what he had said to them earlier:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Here, Peter told them of their need to repent and believe in Jesus Christ in order to receive "the remission of sins" and many of them did. It says about 3000 people were saved at that time. Is it possible to be saved but not have your sins be forgiven? No. So, it's quite sad that you don't even know how salvation and the forgiveness of sins occurs.

Interesting you avoid using the actual passage acts 3:19-21
 
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If Paul reads this thread, he will know by now to not believe the Amil theory.

DavidPT, Douggg and I both believe that we are now in the Church age and only after Jesus physically Returns, will the Kingdom be established, with King Jesus ruling from Jerusalem.
LOL!!! ^_^ Oh, I think the Apostle Paul would never have believed 1-iota of your "false theories". Paul was also waaaay too smart to be fooled by your trio of kindred friends to fall for that!:ebil:
 
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