the battle over vaccines (rationing care).

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Even a cursory glance can show you that yeah if you're older and such, that's going to put you at risk even if you're fully vaxxed, because your immune system is weaker, same as your capacity to heal bones.
Your reply makes no sense you have it backwards in the example I gave the older woman who is fully vaxed is doing better than her middle aged son who is not. Yes, usually you are right, but my reply was going the other way.
 
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Your reply makes no sense you have it backwards in the example I gave the older woman who is fully vaxed is doing better than her middle aged son who is not. Yes, usually you are right, but my reply was going the other way.
The problem is people can take the very idea that a fully vaxxed person being hospitalized as some indication that it doesn't work when it most definitely does just in terms of statistics of unvaccinated being hospitalized versus fully vaxxed. Well intentioned truths without qualification can be twisted VERY easily by opportunists
 
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The problem is people can take the very idea that a fully vaxxed person being hospitalized as some indication that it doesn't work when it most definitely does just in terms of statistics of unvaccinated being hospitalized versus fully vaxxed. Well intentioned truths without qualification can be twisted VERY easily by opportunists
for the record this particular man made it home.
 
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for the record this particular man made it home.
And that's to be expected with the studies we've done and the efficacy of mRNA vaccines anyway, especially in fighting off novel strains probably several months from when the vaccine was relatively finalized for trials.
 
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And that's to be expected with the studies we've done and the efficacy of mRNA vaccines anyway, especially in fighting off novel strains probably several months from when the vaccine was relatively finalized for trials.
but the man did not take the vaccine his mother did, so how effective the vaccine is had little bearing on him.
 
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but the man did not take the vaccine his mother did, so how effective the vaccine is had little bearing on him.
But his unwillingness is still putting his mother at risk because the vaccine was never 100% effective and has varying effectiveness against the delta variant and beyond. She could even still be hospitalized, even though that's a 5% chance at most.
 
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That should be up to doctors and no one else. It most definitely should not be made by politicians dictating to doctors whom they can treat.
Whether or not one has taken this particular injection - or any injection - is as irrelevant to whether he should receive care today as it was 5 years ago, and will be 5 years from now.
 
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